User talk:Snls

Valkyrie
Hello, The Hollywood Reporter has an article that is about the German critics, so it is appropriate to detail the consensus in the "German critics" subsection. Moving the sentence out of the subsection is taking it out of context. — Erik (talk • contrib) 19:40, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Eric, I respect your caring about the page. But be aware, the film hasn't started in Germany yet, it does as late as 22.01.09. Only very little critics did seee the film in Europe up to now. Best thing would be, to delete the sub-headline German critics completely until it starts in Europe. I suggest, you do that.Snls (talk) 21:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * From what I gathered, German critics were able to attend screenings of the film before it commercially opened on Christmas Day. That was why there was an available scope to return.  I am sure that when it comes out in Germany itself, the section can be fine-tuned.  In the meantime, perhaps we can re-word the section to reflect that it was the opinion of German critics who saw the film in the United States. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 22:20, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

In the moment we have 4 or 5 German critics who saw the film themselfs in Ney York ore elswere in the US (the others hve not the budget to hop to the states for a film) and write something about it. The rest refers to the US-press. If then the Holloywood reporter writes someting about the German response its absurd. I will now kill the subheading German critics. Snls (talk) 06:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Everything in the "German critics" section is about the German critics. Why is it absurd for The Hollywood Reporter to report on the German response?  It is an entity independent of the country that can assess the critics' performance.  Also, we can shape the section over time.  At the present, this has been what is reported. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 06:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Imagine that 4-5 US-cirits worte something about Valakyrie, and oft them 2-3 saw it actually. Would you speak about an US response then? And: It starts running in the US now. Lets focus on the US coritics and box office now.Snls (talk) 06:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've tried to re-word it to show that the response was from German critics at American screenings. I think that dissecting it any further than that would be too much.  I also indicated that the film will be released in Germany in January 2009 to imply further feedback from the country's critics and audiences. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 06:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

If you use google news and use the option of reduce it to German sources you will find that there is not much media reaction to the ready Valkyrie-film now. Try: http://news.google.de/news?ned=de&hl=de&ned=de&q=valkyrie&ie=UTF-8&scoring=n I think after your edit the section is slightly better then before, but still misleading, as there is indeed much reaction, but it is the US-reaction, mainly. The section should reflect that, and not the very few voices. You yourself stated to keep RT out as long there are not 35 reviews, an argument which also applies in this case. Why not let the German critics do ther job first and then talk about the results??Snls (talk) 06:38, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason I thought it was best to leave out RT until there was a larger sample is because at the beginning, a film could be 100% with 7 reviews but then drop all the way to 70% or something when it has 50. In the case of The Hollywood Reporter, the consensus is already "declared".  I know what you're saying, so is there a way we can tweak the wording for the "German critics" subsection?  Maybe find out a rough estimate of how many German critics saw the American screenings and responded to the film?  I'm sure that the section will change entirely by February 2009 with a more historical perspective.  In the meantime, this is what we have as present, so let's try to work on the wording to capture this report more accurately. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 06:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I made an edit to work ther "earlyness" out. Its now up to you, as I have to leave the screen now.Snls (talk) 06:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * By the way, just a small word of advice... you can write your comment after the /* */ part in the edit summary. What's enclosed just tells other editors what particular section was edited, and after that is the specific explanation for the edit.  Just wanted to let you know that! :) — Erik  (talk • contrib) 06:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks.

Eric: Just providing the overall figures by RT and MC (until retrospective coverage how the film was generally reviewed) seems fine to me.Snls (talk) 22:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)