User talk:Snowback22

Chris Cummings
Where did you find the chart positions that you added to Chris Cummings' article? Eric444 (talk) 04:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC) From Chris Cummings himself, this information is on file with his publishing companies as well as Warner Canada and also comes from a magazine entitled The Record, which was considered the "standard" chart at the time after RPMs demiseSnowback22 (talk) 00:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Canada peaks
It was determined on the Talk:2010 in country music article that post-RPM Canada charts cannot be sourced. Enless you have a very reliable source to add then add it. I didn't want to have to remove these peaks but we have no choice. Join the discussion on Talk:2010 in country music]] if you need to. --Caldorwards4 (talk) 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

My reliable souce is the artist himself and all our chart history. Who is "we" in making this decision and why do you feel you are correct when you are not?Snowback22 03:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The we is the Wikipedia community and the long standing precedent of WP:V — if we, the editors in general, can't verify that something is true or not, it shouldn't be here. And how is "the artist himself" a source? Word of mouth can't be cited on Wikipedia. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Please explain to me where you are finding all the information posted in biographies? Whare are you verifying that from? You are only copying it from other websites obviously. As this must be your way of verifying, I will post his chart numbers on his new website set to launch very soon. I can add them to various places around to the internet if that further will satisfy you. But please, if you are going to adhere to a standard, then do it for all content on all the artists pages that you are messing with i.e: cite where you are obtaining biographical information from and also, change all Canadian country artists pages, not just the few that you have changed. In addition, know this, you are potentially causing damage to many of these acts. Snowback22 15:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ten pound hammer and otters - I am also an editor for Chris Cummings page and I disagree with your removal of his valid chart history. It is as verifiable as anything else written on his page, or any other artists pages that you have chosen to mess with.
 * That's exactly how we're supposed to do it: use other websites, magazines, newspapers, books, etc. to build the info in an article. Have you not LOOKED at any of our articles? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 15:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I will advise the other artists you have deleted charts for to do the same. It just really seems you are not doing what you "say" you are doing, the chart history for Johnny Reid, as example, is all asterisk, even for his current single. This can be documented easily yet is not being done. What is the reason for that? Why would you put asterisk there when you can easily add the current peak position? And by the way, other people in your conversation about the charts DID offer books options to you and your group but Ten Pound Hammer stated you did not want to use books. I read that by LOOKING at the posts there. Snowback22 16:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, yeah, I read your article and so that answers my question. I will add Chris' chart history to his new soon to be launched website and you can cite that, thereby adding his chart history back to the Wikipedia page.  Simple fix!!

Clarification - it was not Ten pound hammer that said books were insufficent, this is the post: A book doesn't cut it for me. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC) my aplogies but this was definitely stated on the discussion page. 99.246.251.64 (talk) 16:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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September 2010
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Dear Ten Pound Hammer - I have no conflict of interest, I am merely monitoring in an unbiased way the unnecessary changes you and your group have been making to many Canadian Country music artists pages and reverting those changes that are false. Since I am aware of the dates and information pertaining to the artist I represent, I am qualified to make updates, and add relevent information and have been doing so since I created my profile in 2008. On the other hand, since you are not associated with this artist, you would have no way of updating information you don't know and would have no way of knowing. Snowback22 21:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, you do have a conflict of interest. Wikipedia articles are required to be neutral point of view and verifiable via outside sources (click on those links for explanations of the policies). As his representative, your interests in promoting your client and Wikipedia's interest in neutrality are not necessarily congruent. And as an insider, information you add is not verifiable by other readers. I have plenty of inside information I could share about several article subjects here--but none of it is verifiable, and so I do not add it. → ROUX   ₪  22:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * @Roux - I am not promoting anything on this page, I fixed out of date website links that lead nowhere. How is that being biased? I am working to ensure VALID information is contained, such as the correct and real chart history that has been in place for many years, only to be suddenly removed by a handful of people.  I am no more an insider than any of you.

Please explain where you or anyone who is editing these artists pages, is getting the information such as the bios and history that are posted from? Per previous discussions, another contributor stated this information is obtained from books, magazines, and websites. Where do you think much of that information originates from for any artist? Of course from the artist and the artist representatives! However, if the biographical information contained on these pages does not come from artist generated sources, then by all means please do refer me to the place you are finding information. I am very interested to know. This discussion is about the fact that a few admins have taken it upon themselved to remove and edit chart history for many (but not all) Canadian country artists without provocation to do so. Snowback22 22:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you or are you not the representative of this artist? Is the information you are providing verifiable by reliable sources? Is the information that was removed verifiable and reliable? Chart information is collected by various organizations--I believe here in Canada it is compiled by Soundscan--and is not provided by the artist themselves. Bios and history are referenced to external sources, preferably interviews and profiles in reliable sources which have fact-checkers on staff. As an aside, please note that your signature is required to at minimum link to one of either your userpage or your talkpage. → ROUX   ₪  14:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Roux - are you or are you NOT reading the questions I posted in the discussion? There is no confilict of interest if I correct information that you and your band of mess makers seem to be bent on creatings for this artists and the other artists you are removing the content of.  I did not add these chart peaks from the artist himself, they are documented in the history in publications such as The Record magazine, BDS charts, TRAX Reports, information kept by artist's record labels, the radio trackers hired to promote artists.  It is unfortunate that the people removing these histories HAVE NOT bothered to check these sources.  It is well documented and just because the people remvoing these numbers do not have the will to find the information does not mean it is not valid.  The simple fix is for you one you to contact the above sources, but I don't think you are going to do that.
 * I have familiarized myself with how to add content and the conflict of interest information, thanks for asking.

It is becoming increasinly clear this is an attack on this page in particular. WHY would any of your team remove not only the chart history but now the 2008 single Welcome Back from Chris' chart as a single?? The information that this was a single are documented in multiple places, including the links provided on Chris' page and in particular the link the the AFM website where an entire feature article and appearance on the cover were the result - why would that song be removed as a single? It is clear none of the people removing information are "fact checkers" but are in fact bent on creating trouble and are in now way neutral as they are supposed to be so please do read these documents verifiability of information, neutral point of view yourself and especially this one Vandalism because it appears this might be what is happening here. Snowback22 19:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not on any 'team', and I would counsel you in the strongest possible terms to stop making attacks like 'you and your band of mess makers.' I merely showed up here because I saw your comments on TenPoundHammer's talkpage. I would also suggest that you stop with the condescension--I am quite familiar with Wikipedia policies, thank you very much, and I am attempting to help you understand them. As you appear to be singularly uninterested in actually paying attention to anything I am saying, I will bif you adieu and shall look upon your inevitable block for disruptive editing without much surprise. →  ROUX   ₪  18:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to offend you Roux. These changes to certain Canadian country music acts are only being done by a few people and you just happened to be amoung the people who have written without answering my questions that I have posted. I have asked repeatedly why these changes are being made, at all, and also, why only to certain acts since there are plenty of resources to verify chart history, yet no replies have been offered, only links to Wikipedia rules which I read when I signed up for this account years ago and re-read recently.

I have posted resource names yet nobody has investigated them. Beyond that, simple changes I have made are being reverted so it appears that certain users are attacking me and particularly these artists, not the other way around. However, I am in the process of notifying all those affected by these chart changes in addition to people that work in the industry to protect artist interests. Snowback22 02:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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