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Your submission at Articles for creation: VegEconomy (May 19)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

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Theroadislong (talk) 21:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:VegEconomy


A tag has been placed on Draft:VegEconomy, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Hello, I'm Possibly. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. --- Possibly (talk) 23:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear Possibly,

I would like to contest the deletion but was unable to locate the link on the article. Please advise how.

This article is definitely NOT advertising or self-promotion.
==== VegEconomy is not a company. It is not a product. It is not for sale. It does not promote any single entity but, rather, it refers to metrics of economic growth having to do with stakeholders in the vegan industry at large. ====

It is a term I've observed people using to define 1) a segment of the economy being empowered by vegans who are demanding more vegan innovations, 2) the economic impact of businesses responding to make plant-based choices more accessible to people who are exploring vegan lifestyle and 3) the way both are propelling trends toward more mainstream adoption of vegan lifestyle as the vegan economy grows. It is a beautiful concept with potential to transform this dark era of corporate greed into an era of compassionate innovation and conscious capitalism. I chose to write about it here to educate readers about the economic upside of vegan enterprise and how moving into a cruelty-free economy will benefit not just animals, but also the environment and human health.

I disclosed that I happen to know the people who originally trademarked it for a smaller purpose last year -- they are a group of very passionate vegans who created an app to help other vegans find vegan businesses. However the term has morphed into something bigger, unrelated to their original intended purpose, and is catching on as a more common term of vegan vernacular.

If it helps I can take out information about the people who coined it, but think they should get credit for it, which is why I included it -- Including them was not intended to promote them.

Having been a journalist for nearly 40 years, I write to inform, educate and inspire readers and always adhere to high standards of journalistic integrity. I write about topics I believe have value to readers. I DON'T WRITE ADVERTORIAL CONTENT and THIS ARTICLE IS NOT IN ANY WAY INTENDED AS ADVERTISING OR SELF-PROMOTION.

Please let me know how I can contest the deletion. I'd be happy to revise or delete whatever portions of the article don't comport with Wikipedia rules. Thank you, Snowden Snowden Bishop (talk) 10:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC).
 * You have misunderstood how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable topic. We don't "write to inform, educate and inspire readers". Theroadislong (talk) 10:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Interesting you should say that... I've always found Wikipedia to be the most informative, educational and inspirational resource on the internet.

I'd still like to dispute the deletion because 1) this is a notable topic considering the emerging trend of veganism and its impact on the economy, 2) it's a colloquial term that has yet to be defined here and 3) the reason for deletion was entirely incorrect. THIS IS NOT ADVERTISING OR SELF-PROMOTION. I realize now the reason it was deleted so quickly is "conflict of interest" sticker produced when I disclosed that I know someone related to the topic. That question was misleading -- I have no "conflict" related to the topic and no personal benefit for writing about it and should have answered differently. Unfortunately, that mistake made it a target for unwarranted hostility. However, since there is no conflict and this isn't advertising, it at least deserves to be submitted for editorial review like every other article submitted by a new contributor. Can you please explain how to contest the deletion through the right channels? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Snowden Bishop (talk) 11:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can get that one "undeleted" as too many editors agreed it was promotional (by our standards). You could always start a new draft. The reason we saw the article as promotional was first that the ® mark on the term indicates that we are talking about a trademark. Trademarks protect intellectual property, which is a commercial interest. Second, a search that I just did did not turn up any independent reporting on the term "vegeconomy". We consider a Wikipedia article that talks about a product or commercial interest without any reliable sources to have as its only purpose the promotion of that product or commercial interest. No one in the independent press has mentioned it, so why would we have an article on it? If it had a half dozen independent sources, we would see it as an article. Have a look at Jell-O, for example. See all those sources? The BBC, Slate, the Washington post and so on. Those people have independently talked about the subject, making it notable by our standards.


 * You also declared a conflict of interest, which means you are not a neutral editor on this subject. Multiple neutral editors assessed this subject and concluded that it's not notable. Hope that helps you to understand how Wikipedia works. Also, all the bold and capitalized text above does not help your case in the least.--- Possibly (talk) 16:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)