User talk:Snug Inglenook

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Konstanty Skrzynski (November 24)
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Managing a conflict of interest
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Konstanty Skrzynski (December 15)
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Eagleash (talk) 13:37, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * Could you please elaborate, and possibly help with creating this entry? I added known bibliography to it and am not sure what other "reliable" sources can I use. The first position in the bibliography are Skrzynski's Memoirs, so there is nothing more reliable that that.
 * Thank you Snug Inglenook (talk) 13:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,
 * I doubt anyone else (other than you) will want to work on this, although you could ask at the WP:WikiProject Poland?
 * I can provide you with a few pointers for necessary improvements, if you'd like?
 * But first: what is your interest in Skrzynski, if I may ask? I can see that your only contribution to Wikipedia to date has been to create this draft, and the same on the Polish wiki, so presumably there's a reason for that?
 * Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Right, we've done an entry in Polish, there is one in Ukrainian, but not by us, and I believe users of other languages can also learn about him. And you right, I've never been a regular contributor to Wikipedia, as you pointed out. If I knew other languages, I'd probably try to do the same. He is pretty unknown to an average person for his contribution to (unsuccessful then, 1918) creation of Ukrainian statehood. Snug Inglenook (talk) 14:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, but that's not what I asked. I asked what is your interest in him, or more specifically, do you have some sort of personal or professional connection with him? I'm asking because it's somewhat unusual for a new editor to start their Wikipedia 'career' by creating an article on a subject with which they have no personal connection, and to do that on at least two different language wikis. I've previously posted a message on this page about conflicts of interest (COI), to which you haven't responded; please do so now. Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:20, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do have an interest - I'm a historian of that period and Skrzynski's Memoirs were just recently published for the for the first time. Until then they were known as a typescript know to very narrow circle of professionals. From what I read it is Ukrainians who are much more interested in his person as I mentioned previously. Perhaps I don't quite understand the term conflict of interest though. I admit that I am interested in his person and to the best of my knowledge there are no publications about him in the English language.  Snug Inglenook (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood. If it's only professional interest as a historian, then that's not an issue. (If this person were, say, your relative, that would create a conflict of interest.) As it stands, we don't appear to have a problem. :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:36, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Super. How can I correct the entry than in order to get it published? Snug Inglenook (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

As promised, here are a few things you could improve on:
 * 1) The sources should be cited inline, rather than just listed in the bibliography. The purpose of this is to make it clear which source supports what information, as this in turn also shows how much of the information remains unsupported. Please see WP:REFB for advice.
 * 2) A common mistake is to only cite each source once, thinking that the reader will find out that the same source also supports other sections in the article. However, you need to ensure that every material statement and anything potentially contentious is clearly supported with an immediate inline citation, and this often requires the use of 'named references' — see WP:NAMEDREFS.
 * 3) Offline sources are acceptable, but they must be cited so as to provide complete bibliographical information on the source cited, as well as some indication of what the source says (especially if you are citing it to support something contentious, or to establish the subject's notability). See WP:OFFLINE for more information. (The easiest way to construct complete and correct citations is to use one of the citations templates in the RefToolbar tool.)
 * 4) Please write in complete sentences. For example, instead of "Diplomat, political and social activist.", write "Skrzyński was a diplomat, political and social activist.", etc. (This isn't a requirement for the draft to be accepted, but makes for better reading.)

All that being said, your biggest issue is notability. Unless you can show that this person is notable by one of the many special notability guidelines (eg. WP:NPOL), you would need to demonstrate instead that they meet the general notability standard WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. You've mentioned that the first of the three sources listed is his own autobiography, which by definition isn't independent, and therefore doesn't count in this context. The other two sources may not be enough, as usually at least three solid sources are required. In any case (going back to my earlier point 3, above), you need to help the reviewer understand how extensively these offline sources write about this person, ie. whether they provide 'significant coverage' or not.

Hope this helps, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you so very much. I'll try to apply all corrections, but my question would be notability. Konstanty Skrzynski does not have a lot of publications (yet, hopefully). You are correct that autobiographies are subjective by definition, but there are methodologies to remedy that. Anyway, if the Reviewer will not find Skrzynski worthy, or noble enough, the latter would have to wait for better times. Thank you again.  Snug Inglenook (talk) 15:04, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It might help if I explain a fundamental premise of Wikipedia, which is also behind the whole concept of notability. Wikipedia is, by definition, never the first source to publish something; we only summarise what other (reliable, published, independent, and ideally secondary) sources have already said earlier. This is called 'notability', and it is defined essentially like this: do appropriate published sources exist, which can be summarised into a Wikipedia article? If yes, then the subject is deemed notable, and an article can be created. If not, then there is no way that an article can be created. There is also a borderline area, namely where only one or two suitable sources exist with sufficiently significant coverage, and in that case it is deemed that the article may be notable, but it isn't notable enough to warrant a standalone article on its own. (Note that this is the policy of the English-language Wikipedia; other language versions may have their own, different policies.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:24, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Konstanty Skrzynski
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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 16:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Konstanty Skrzynski


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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 15:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)