User talk:Snurf~enwiki

Hello, I am trained as a Japanese art historian (now teaching at a US university) who has in the past few years become increasingly interested in how manga became defined as a genre in the 20C. I am especially interested in how manga became historicized in the early 20C06:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)Snurf (talk)(in other words, the historiography of manga).

I have spent 15 years or so in Japan and have worked in the Edo period so I can read Meiji/ Taisho texts pretty easily. I have grown increasingly curious about the history of the manga page. I am not sure that I will contribute since it seems to be a battleground with few of the good edits lasting for long-- but I have some questions for those of you who have spent time on the page.

I will start with just one main question:

Is it true that Japanese secondary sources cannot be cited in a wiki entry?

Snurf (talk) 06:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome!
I hope WikiProject Anime and manga and WikiProject Japan will be helpful for you. Oda Mari (talk) 08:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The Manga article
Hi, Snurf. You are absolutely correct about the manga article, of course. It's an embarrassment that there is little or nothing on developments in manga in the late 19th and early 20th century, and that people continue to obsess over the Hokusai thing. But, to be honest, I have given up trying to improve that article. I have found that with "big" articles, like "Manga," there are far too many cooks in the kitchen, and 90% of them don't know what they're talking about. It's like trying to bail water from a sinking ship with a spoon. どうしようもないんですよ. 残念ながら. That's why I have stuck with tweaking "small" articles that no one else is likely to screw with, such as the article I created on Katsuji Matsumoto or the Shōjo Sekai article. I get more satisfaction getting one little thing completely right than I do correcting one small part of a big thing that is likely to be deleted or mutilated by a dilettante. (-_-;) I could write a proper section on prewar manga, but given the unstable nature of that article, I can't find the motivation to do so. But by all means, feel free to go at it yourself. (^^) Matt Thorn (talk) 16:17, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello Matt and all, Thanks for your responses! I've looked over the history from the past 8 years pretty carefully and find it fascinating as a social document. Certain things irk me. Rakuten was not the first to use manga in a modern sense, for example. His predecessor at Jiji shinpo, Imaizumi Ippyo, was. However, I actually appreciate some of the little nuanced changes in the past few months.

Tell me-- Is it possible to cite Japanese secondary sources?

Shimizu Isao is pretty darned accurate, but you have to use his more detailed sources. He's the one who told me about Ippyo a few years ago and he does cite it in some of his books. It'll take me some time before I figure out how to edit-- I'm somewhat of a Luddite, but I guess I'll try to write an article on Okamoto Ippei. (At one point, a Japanese put him in there with a comment "Hito no issho" rocks! -- and I agree. Ippei uses all those cinematic close-ups/ long-shots (as you probably know). Stressing only the postwar seems to be a way of ascribing to American imperialism.

I suppose I could try to make a few changes to the main manga article and see how long they last. That would be interesting.

More later, --Snurf (talk) 15:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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