User talk:Sodomistic

Just because these sources say ty are death metal does not mean its true. Many of these sources call bands like marilyn manson and tool metal, when they clearly are not metal. Metal is a community. Bands like job for a cowboy and despised icon are popularizing it and mixing it with their own metalcore garbage. Go to an old school death metal concert and poll the fans... real metalheads, not some sissies wearing girls pants with choppy hair, and you will see they are not real metal. These bands don't care anything about true metal and the lifestyle that goes along with it. They are in it for the fashion, something death metal is NOT about!

Have you ever even been to a real death metal concert? Not one where the bands themselves but try to convince fans they are death metal.


 * What you say is completely biased. Wikipedia is not about opinions, but about sources. Please read the wikipedia policies (start here for more information). Because you think Job for a Cowboy is not death metal, everyone should agree with you? You are proven wrong by many professional reviewers, which are more reliable than just some "real metalhead" who doesn't like death-/metalcore; certainly when he think a band's image and looks are the best way to define a bands genre. Bands and genres change through their existence, it is not a sign of fashion, it's evolution.


 * We don't need edit wars, please assume good faith.


 * PS: You might like to take a look at WP:3RR. Three reverts within 24 hours on 1 article can result in a block. Emmaneul (Talk) 21:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

These reviewers you talk about... most of whom don't know anything about playing instruments... what makes their "professional opinion" better than mine and many others that listen to death metal? We are the actual fans, these people are making money on their reviews... what do we have to gain on disagreeing with whether or not a band is a certain genre or not? I don't care what people listen to... I just hate mislabling, and that is what is clearly happening with this job for a cowboy problem. You never answered my question. Have you ever even been to a metal concert? You don't know a thing about metal. You are just like these reviewers you keep referring to. Like I said... these reviewers make mistakes... tool is clearly not a metal band, yet many call them a metal band. Perhaps you should check out a death metal show and see what its about instead of reading everythng you hear. It is like having a proession, you don't learn it all in bookwork, you have to go out and experience the job before you can clearly talk about what it is.


 * "what makes their "professional opinion" better than mine and many others that listen to death metal?"
 * Professional reviewers are expected to be neutral and experienced. Fans are biased by definition. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. From a death metal fan's point of view System of a Down is nu metal, from an alt rock fan's point of view, they're progressive metal. Which of these interpretations is correct? I'd say the one that is verifiable and most neutral. The policies state the information added to wikipedia should be verifiable and neutral. If an opinion is backed up by reliable sources it's verifiable. If it isn't verifiable it may be deleted. That's just how wikipedia works.


 * In this case death metal is a genre generally associated with Job for a Cowboy (by the press and fans). Why would the media see them as death metal? Because they don’t play instruments? Because they don't take JfaC's hairdos into account? Because they're all dumb idiots? Or just because they listened to JfaC's music? I think because of the music.


 * "You never answered my question. Have you ever even been to a metal concert? You don't know a thing about metal."
 * Please discuss the matter at hand, not the people participating in the discussion. What you say here is pretty insulting. But if you like to know, I'd tell something about myself:
 * I have visited dozens of death metal acts including Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Cannibal Corpse and most recently Dying Fetus. I consider myself a death metal fan although many "real metalheads" might think I'm not because I also like heavy "core" bands like The Red Chord and Burnt by the Sun along with jazz, alternative rock, some electronica, reggae and even hip hop. I just love music; every genre has its quality acts. I'm very interested in death metal. I contribute to the death metal article (I did the first sections) and I'm still working on the history part. I dislike mislabeling too. If it would be up to me, most power metal bands would be labeled "happy flower metal" but I'm not going to impose my opinion on wikipedia. Please be more open-minded and love music; hating music will result in nothing but frustration. Emmaneul (Talk) 09:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Job for a Cowboy
Please consider this:

Job For A Cowboy (USA)

2005 Doom (EP) Review > 4/10 - Sean M. - (Deathcore)

http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=5&a=l&l=J

Death Metal

Metal

Metalcore

Deathcore

http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,62947.sm

"death metal band Job For a Cowboy have become instant stars"

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/music/reviews/47434/job-for-a-cowboy-genesis/

"Job For A Cowboy's sound has evolved from deathcore to straight ahead death metal."

http://heavymetal.about.com/od/cdreviews/fr/jfacowboygenesi.htm

Death metal; Hardcore

http://www.tartareandesire.com/bands/Job_For_A_Cowboy/6020/

Deathcore, Death Metal

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=42638

Grindcore

Death Metal/ Black Metal

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&samples=1&sql=11:apfuxqtdldhe~T0

brutal death metal  death metal   deathcore   grindcore   hardcore   metal   metalcore   seen live

http://www.last.fm/music/Job%20for%20a%20cowboy

Metal / Death Metal / Progressive

http://www.myspace.com/jobforacowboy

It's clear; death metal is one of Job for a Cowboy's genres. Emmaneul (Talk) 18:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)