User talk:Sojambi Pinola/Archive 1

Hurray!!!
[This regards the drama over a guy who is posting on Wikipedia claiming to share my birth name, Steve Espinola. For the record I am Steve Espinola of Brooklyn, and he claims to be "Estaban" Steve Espinola of Mexico. Given some other "coincidences," this isn't likely. Sojambi Pinola 22:21, 14 August 2005 (UTC) ]

I think User:Steve espinola has been retired and has left (at least my) wikispace in peace for several days after a solid week of fighting him over wide regions of the wikisphere. Hurray!! — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 13:48, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

-I'm going to repeat something I posted here that was erased, which is against wikipedia rules, no matter what others may have told you. Your writing appears to be in favor of Rose, good. But you have no right to rewrite dissenting views. Because people don't agree doesn't mean you can simply silence them by launching smear campaigns. I know that this will be erased so I have alerted the same person who locked the Biff Rose page as well as someone named Bill the Greek, an advocate who has entered teh fray. Call me what you will. I've actually done postings not related to Rose. You have not.Jonah Ayers 17:29, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

As you can see, he's still here, just writing under a different name. Sojambi Pinola 19:14, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

"Jonah," by my count you have contributed to 6 articles under that user name. Most of those changes involved changing a single word. "But" to "though" for example. Wow. I guess I could have done the same, but why bother? Sojambi Pinola 22:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Archived flame

 * Consider this an archive (Sorry if this is bad form, but I found it rather humorous. Seems in reference to my comment ''Hurray!!!') — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 20:49, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Subject: Listen chump
not only have you [HopeSeekr] acted in collusion with Willmcw but you have behaved badly. I would use stronger language but I don't think that it is appropriate here. I will say this, it is obvious to me and to my advocate that though you assume what Willmcw says to be true, the edits I made were in fact worthy, and not only will your reply be redirected to my advocate but also to a host of otehr administrators. This has become such a trying time that I've been granted the ability to switch to a new identity and leave your vicious attacks behind. You have proven to be a slimy loose moralled child who spends too much time at wikipedia tryong to bully others out of the edits you have only taken up since this July. Whihc translates to the fac that your 'job' at 23 leaves you such an amount of free time that you can sling insults and barbs online rather than actually do positive work at Wikipedia. Whereas my edits may not have been as substantial as your own, my sockpuppetry related to willmcw, or at least buddying upo wiht him, has not been as pervasive as your own. I'm leaving. I'm fed up with the typical acne faced loser who can't get a date with a woman or a man, and so spends his time in front of his computer screen making alliances with other awkward socially malnourished dweebs who can think of nothing better than to try an interact only thorugh the computer. You do a disservice to all computer geeks everywhere by trying to be more intelligent than others, because the lack of your vision seeps through the anger you display for all to see. Any true hacker knows that the way you have taking stands here has opened you up for retribution, as I am nnot a hacker, I won't work on such matters, in negative aspects. But you should be mindful that you've made a strong mess here, and no matter what your own opinon is, oyu should learn manners, and go out andd get a date rather than having your total amount of human interaction fed to you through wikipedia and your own websites. LoserSteve espinola 17:39, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Ugh. That's very sad. The tragic side of a bully. I'm actually going to feel bad for my doppelganger if I don't watch out.Sojambi Pinola 22:15, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Sock puppets
Upon reflection and consultation with other administrators, I have blocked most of the sock puppet accounts that have been involved in editing Biff Rose. I've posted a note about the incident on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Perhaps with the editor back to one account (at least temporarily) we can unprotect the page and return to editing. Thanks for your patience and your contributions. -Willmcw 22:19, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Awesome Edit!
I was inspired by your skills in transforming the garbage heap that was User talk:Steve espinola. Well, my first experience w/ sockpuppets has proved most enlightening and engaging. Thanks for helping clean up the damage...repeatedly. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 02:27, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * :) Keep fighting the good fight! Thanks for your research, support, and sense of humor.  A pleasure working with you.  Sojambi Pinola 05:10, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Laugh Out Loud Funny!
LOL!! Take a look at User talk:Steve espinola!! I've included a passage of the bible on my user page...so, without any further ado, here is some biblical goodness.


 * HAHAHA!! He then goes to textdump verbatim the *entire* intro to the KJV and a *ton* of random verses. It has to be against rules some where ... it adds a full 500KB to the database heh.  Still pretty funny. HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 14:54, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Lordy. Wasn't he banned? Sojambi Pinola 06:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Simply blocked. Blocked users may still edit their own talk pages. -Willmcw 07:18, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Puppeteering?
Sojambi: I'm not quite sure about the meaning of your message on my talk page. It seems like you are calling me some user named Steve espinola's sock puppet, while he is calling me willmcw's sock puppet, at some point I was called Biff Rose's sock puppet, and now seemingly Biff Rose is saying I'm jealous of his singing career? I really don't give two hoots about this article and Biff Rose, other than at some point I tried to contribute and correct some vandalism, but please feel free to remove all my contributions, including the photo, and DO move on. I'm not any of the aforementioned user's sockpuppet and do not carry any specific agenda regarding Biiff Rose, and I certainly do not claim to having an ounce of musical talent, so I really can't be jealous of anybody's singing career. Cheers, Steve espin... ahem Marcuse 02:49, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Being called a sockpuppet is a sign of being a true Wikipedian. Half the active admins were once labelled as being my sockpuppets, and I, in turn, have been called a sockpuppet a couple of times too. FWIW, I don't think you're a sockpuppet. You'll have to pardon other editors who have grown suspicious, particularly in reference to the Biff Rose article - they have good reasons. Ultimately, all that matters is that you make positive contributions. If you do then you're an asset to the project, if you don't then you should find another project. Your contributions seem to have been made positively and with good faith. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Cheers, -Willmcw 06:25, September 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * (shrugs) If I'm wrong, forgive me or ignore me. I agree that the most important thing is the quality of the contributions.  I still believe you are who I think you are.  Feel free to email me if it's actually important to you; but if you're telling the truth it probably shouldn't be.  Sojambi Pinola 05:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Buddy!!!! Finally made it over here. Let's fix it up. Stop those pranksters from ruining Biff's name. We'll do it. I'll edit and re edit that page every five minutes. Now I'm out of the hospital and have a laptop again. Let's get them. No matter what they say about Biff, I'll change it to read good, so it says only good things. (anonymously posted by User:Bag of donuts)
 * OK I laughed hard when I heard the nickname :-) BUT ... it's Bob's (aka User:Steve espinola, User:Jonah Ayers, etc.) latest sockpuppet . — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 17:10, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You guys need to lay off of me. I'm not this meangarie of evil as yo ulike to play me. But this is mostly to Sojambi. I don't think this is at all funny. If you think my take on Rose is wrong, I'm sorry, but I have nothing to do with him, or anyone else posting about him. That said, I feel VERY strongly about Anti-semeticism. My grandfather was exterminated after working in the Warzaw ghetto uprising. It's not a subject I take lightly. My family is jewish, and though I'm not a practicing Jew, I realize the dangers of Anti semticism. You play like this is a joke, that I don't get Rose's humor- and you're right. Becasue it's not humorous to our dead and beloved. It's not one damn bit. Now, I've worked hardi nthe civil rights movement of modern times, and I feel with strong certainty, that those pictures on Rose's site, with the african american children, and the captions rose wrote beneath them, in'ebonics' is very racist, no matter how you would like t o categorize it. IT IS BLATANT RACISM> the way he discusses jews, or heebs as he has written, on his website, this is disgraceful. This is nothing to be proud of. This is a shameful thing to stick up for. Somewhere in the middle of all this, you claimed to be jewish. If that is so, I appeal to your Judaism to realize that though it may not be offensive to you, the way Rose deals with that hateful temrinology is indeed something I take very seriously, as does my family, and jewish friends. If someone were to pick that topic which you were most protective of, and slice it in the same hodge podge Rose uses, and then add in the anger that is so very apparent in his later work, then I believe you would side with me. The allegations you laud on me, with no reall basis, are fraudulent and irritating to say the least. There is more to the subject than the joke at hand. I've printed out all the go rounds we've had on here, and sent them to the Anti Defamation League, as have I printed out the lyrics from his albums and sent them out to the NAACP- because no amount of badgering form you will end this. It could have been a simple edit compromise. But yo ubegan attacking me personally, and calling me things that just weren't true, implying others were really my writing. This is unfair and ill logical. By your actions you awoke something inside of me, something I hadn't felt in some time, and now I'm following through. Because to you these may be jokes, and funny surrealist asides, but to the blacks of New Orleans who lost everything and were denied help by our government, and to Jews everywhere struggling eveyr minute against the rampant anti semticism in this world, the words Rose enacts aren't in the same category as when PAtti Smith tried to devalue the word'nigger' by allowing its meaning to slip the bonds of racial boundaries and become  something else entirely- rose uses those words with angry and impure thoughts that have arisen in hatred, and baits people with them, when he doesn't mean them completely- this is not an ok situation. Just as I disagree vehemntly with the poster who wrote Rose wasa a child molester, or the poster who wrote he was in Jail. I'm not them, and shouldn't be put in the same group.  I urge you for once to try and see things beyond the scope of what you have previously digested, and understand that words taht may not strike your heart, can, and do, strike that of others. You mentioned subjectivity earlier, and I think your objectivity on the subject of Biff Rose is clouded by your friendship with him. He is who he is. you give him high marks and I give him low ones. Don't tell me he's god, and I won't tell you he's the devil. His language is the devil, and it should be noted on this site that he writes that sort of thing.Jonah Ayers 08:39, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * oh man, you make a lot of enemies. You seem like a pretty weird guy, but that's cool. A little more literal than other editors. Remember NPOV, use it like a mantra, guy.Jonah Ayers 07:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Biff Rose
Hello, Sojambi Pinola! Recently Jonah Ayers came to me seeking my opinion, and I thought I'd share some tips and guidelines with you.

Jonah claims that you are reverting his edits on sight. I just urge you to discuss all major additions and removals of texts and quotes on the talk page. The point of a temp page is so that the editors can hold a productive discussion. The Biff Rose page is protected to stop edit warring, and reverting blindly on the page will not help in resolving this issue.

In addition, I reiterate my encouragement to all of you to discuss things before adding or removing any text (or quotes). Also, it might be good to cite your sources; the first step is to prove that they are valid quotes. If they are, then all the editors should discuss whether they add to the article, and whether they should be included.

Finally, I urge all of you to tone down your arguments; remember that you should avoid all personal attacks. Stay civil, even if the other person may seem hostile. Remember that being antagonists will do nothing, and will not help toward creating a successful article.

Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 00:55, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

The Biff Rose article is almost perfectJonah Ayers 04:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes. Done.

Oh boy you do seem to like to get aggressive. But I will say this, the brown pigeon lives in new york. He loves new york. Hello dolly, but only in New York.Jonah Ayers 18:29, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

- Since you're a friend of his, I thought you might find this interesting. Amazing coincidence, never heard of this obscure guy until this bizarre edit war, then he pops up in my local rag. Derex 02:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose it's just an age thing. He seems to have faded from the public eye since the early 70's (when I was quite young).  I'll download one of his songs (I assume he's got some demos up).  Btw, listened to & liked your woop-de-doo tune. Derex 06:09, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Meeting? Uh...
Is this for your conscience? Have you somehow reached a moment of clarity and decided that you have been wrong, and have treated me as such? I think not. You are up to your old tricks, and I don't appreciate it. I think your tongue and cheek tone should be reserved for your own page. STAY AWAY FROM MINE!!! After how awful you've been to me, I would be very hesitant to meet you in person. I think you only want to talk up Biff Rose, and clearly, you have an agenda. You spend your free time writing reviews of him on other websites. I've checked. You have a very odd attachment to a peron who himself has referred to you as "one of those New York intellectual jews." You've personally attacked me, accused me of being people I'm not, and continually baited me. I think if we met, you would more than likely threaten me with something. And if you are indeed Jewish, and still don't understand the sinfulness and outright debased ideaology espoused by your friend, Biff Rose, I can't imagine what we would have in common, other than living in Brooklyn, which is where you would have to live to be my neighbor, as you called yourself. Furthermore, I ask you not to respond to my talk page any more than you have, and I will leave yours alone, if you indeed adhere to this. You have personally made my time on Wikipedia very hurtful, and I don't like to have to see your name at all. I feel like you are wiki-stalking me. I ask that you desist and leave me be. DO NOT REPLY TO MY TALK PAGE I will simply file it away to the archives. Jonah Ayers 21:19, 25 September 2005 (UTC) 21:19, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * No, Jonah, I meant it. Let's meet at Republic Noodle in Union Square, my treat, and put all this behind us.  -Sojambi Pinola 04:44, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hell! 1 October, 5 PM, Oklahoma City: The Conspirathon :-) — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 16:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Apology
Thanks for the apology. Now, do I get free noodles too? Just joking... don't live in NYC. -Marcuse 14:12, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, but for noodles you really should check out Menchanko Tei on 55th st. There is absolutely no comparison. Not as trendy a location as Union Square, but by far the best noodles you will get this side of the Pacific. Go if you haven't already, you can thank me later. Marcuse 01:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Have you gone insane?
I could address this, but I think it is clear you have gone beyond the standards of wikipedia, accusing me of phoning you. This is ridiculous, and it totally besmirches my character with very little effort on your part or proof for that matter. I have, as I always do, notified teh administrators on here, because it seems sort of threatening your post on my talk page. I ASK YOU ONCE AGAIN > DO NOT POST TO MY TALK PAGE!!!! How can you identify this call as me? Did I call you and use my name? Did my caller ID number show up? This sounds absolutely preposterous to bring something like this over to wikipedia. I disagree with your eidts, and your tone, but I'm not about to search for your phone listing to call and talk. Remember it was you who suggested we meet, and I turned you down flat. Not interested. Why would I suddenly call you? Leave me out of your petty games- this is against the wikipedia rules. Jonah Ayers 00:47, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I think I've made an adequate effort to get you to withdraw your personal attacks. -Sojambi Pinola 01:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Conflict
Thanks for the information, Sojambi Pinola. At this point in time, as I said to Jonah Ayers, I would recommend all the involved parties to read over the dispute resolution process. If both you and Jonah Ayers are interested, I would recommend trying mediation first &mdash; go to WP:RfM to make a request. However, I have a feeling that this case will eventually reach the ArbCom. I have done my best, and Biff Rose still seems to be deadlocked, with reverting still going on. Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 23:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Newbie here
I think you know Biff. I do too, or did. In NOLA. I don't live there now, nor have I for years. But since your the main editor here I'm talking to you. I read the temp page you want to put up. I have not edited this page because it is too weird, frankly. I did read that temp page. I would want to make sure you included the lines about his racist tendencies. I tended bar for the oldster, and he's pretty out there. Agreed sometimes he's playing with words... but I've seen him cocked and slurring his way through some pretty bald language. You would have to keep that in there to keep yourself honest. Like I said I'm new here. Not trying to make an enemy. I mean, I was editing other pages when I stumbled upon this thing happening at Biff Rose's place. Cheers, Mary Hope 17:16, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Double "L"
I haven't been active with all the Biff-s*** recently so when I saw a recent edit I knew something was strange but I couldn't quite figure what that was. I'm glad you identified the difference. "Masked Avenger" indeed. (Gee, I'd almost been "holdng my breath" on Biff Rose thinking maybe it would've settled down. On the bright side I've learned several lessons in encyclopedia editing from this bizarre debacle.) Cheers, - Willmcw 10:51, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Holy carp [sic]! Still resident psychos @ Ross? Anamzing!  Well, at least there isn't much vandalism wrt cleanups any more. What's the 'Double L'? Sounds like 'Scarlet A' to me. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 02:05, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The Double "L": Sojambi Pinolla -Willmcw 02:28, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry but it is not me

 * Just for the record, User:Brown Pigeon has been vandalizing my user page and claiming I'm a sock puppet of you. Which I am neither. I am a former user involved in the debate about Biff Rose and decided to use a new user name to avoid my other edits being vandalized by user:Jonah Ayers. I'm sure you can figure out which user I am if you care to. I do find it alarming that someone is making crank phone calls to harrass other Wikipedia users. Especially in my name. I'm sorry if my edits caused Ayers to restart his crank phone calls, this was not intended to get you in the middle. I knew something was up when a message was left on my talk page telling me to get off the phone. BrownPigeon 16:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Not likely, not logical. If you are not the same person(s) as "Jonah Ayers," then why did you pick a user name/phrase ("Brown Pigeon") that "he" has been using to harrass me by phone since August? Some evidence here.  Give it up.  --Sojambi Pinola 18:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Precisely for that reason, to harrass him back. I know he had been refering to himself as Brown Pigeon (something about flying in NY), I got tired of his attitude and tried to give him a taste of his own medicine. If you look at my edits they mostly consist of reversing his vandalism.  I didn't forsee him revisiting the harrasment by phone.  In retrospect it was a bad name choice. BrownPigeon 19:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't buy it, though I've been wrong before. Anyway, if you ARE "just giving him a taste of his own medicine," we all lose because it increases the annoyance factor and confusion, adds unnecessary drama, and IMO makes it harder to stop him.  I've ruled out most of the possible identities you could be.  On the off chance you're telling the truth, please return to your old username when working on the Biff Rose piece.  Thanks.  -Sojambi Pinola 08:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Irrefutable indeed, Watson!

 * Not likely, not logical. If you are not the same person(s) as "Jonah Ayers," then why did you pick a user name/phrase ("Brown Pigeon") that "he" has been using to harrass me by phone since August? Some evidence here.  Give it up.  --Sojambi Pinola 18:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

that's some pretty irrefutable "proof" there lack of evidence not explained here. Totally blows the case wide open. I like how you've exposed the phone shenanigans, the tapped lines, with FBI cooperation. You are truly one smooth cat Steve Esp.. er I mean Sojombi, I mean Sojambi Pinola. Wow. 216.175.115.53 04:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Jonah Ayers and Talk:Biff Rose
Thank you for restoring the Talk page. I deleted that ridiculous second archive, and left Jonah Ayers another warning. The first archive is justified, as that talk page was already over 140kB. However, if disruptive behaviour on that talk page continues, please let me know. Regarding sock puppetry, you may need to present your data on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and let admins more familiar with this situation decide. Remember, having sock puppets by itself is not a violation of policy; it all depends on what you do with the socks. Owen&times; &#9742;  15:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Exactly right, because if one person posts, and retires until brought back by vicious attacks, and can not be linked to others, then there is no sock puppetry. As far as I'm concerned the only sock puppetry of note here is the Sojambi Pinola / biff rose connection, and the BrownPigeon/ Marcuse connection. I've contacted the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents about the incidents and you will hear from them soon enough Jonah Ayers 19:32, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping that the semiprotection will be an effective tool. The 3RR rule was being broekn but there was nothing we could do besides protecting the entire article. This new restriction should force editors to edit honestly. Some peace at Biff Rose would be a great Xmas present. Cheers, -Willmcw 06:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

"Huh?" Mary Hope
I didn't change the nature of the article and wrote the sidenote because it is apparent that though many people edit thsi article, very few of those editors have spent much time with Biff, drunk, or sober. I have. I know what he's like, and he's not nice, to women especially. I think it's important that no matter what happens here, it happens with some kind of consensus. What I'm seeing is gross abuse on each side of the story. You and Willmcw are no better than Jonah and his many aliases- which for the record i find offensive. Furthermore, your quote on my talk page is erroneous. You don't know exactly who I am. I came to this place to write about things near and dear to me. The Biff Rose edits have generateda little bit of notoreity with those that know him, as i'm sure you are aware. Biff is largely responsible for that. he likes to spread his fame.

I've noticed on the pages and pages and pages of talk about Biff that you've been every bit as antagonistic and as the Jonah Ayer/ Steve espinola ones. You seem to try and trap them into bad behavior. But you do it in such a manner that is inappropriate here on wikipedia. mind oyu, I've not been on here for as long as you have, guessing from the timetable of your postings. I can say this, by being so incredibly hardheaded about Biff, you end up becoming less of a standard bearer for the moral right side of the street, and seem akin to whom you accuse. Willmcw believes your point of view, and you his, and that's unfortunately created a definition of biff that even hhe himself must be getting a hoot from.

You don't know me. Maybe you've been to the same bar where I once worked, maybe you even ordered a drink from me, maybe I chatted you up. But that certainly doesn't give you the right to claim knowledge of me. I think that's offensive, as offensive as Jonah Ayers or whoever he is claiming that Biff was a child molester. I'm a nice person and I think that's what happens with Biff. He finds nice people to glom up to, and eventually the true nature of his personality comes to the front, and it's not such a clearly angelic personality as I'm sure you've seen if you ever had to spend any amount of time with him at all, when he was drinking. he was a paying customer at two bars I worked at, and so I had to stomach some rather base and quite frankly aberrantly sexist remarks from him, on a regular basis. It was people like him that helpeed me decide that it was time to leave the city of New Orleans. Another one was Barry Cowsill, who sadly has gone missing since Katrina hit. Barry however had an excuse; he was diagnosed as Bi polar, and when he was off his meds and drinking, there was nothing he could do to mend his behavior. Biff had no medical diagnosis to alter my opinion of him. The cases are similar because both men experienced some minor amount of notoreity due to their musical prowess, and were not able to channel that into permanent success like many of their contemporaries, lesser talents who had much better managers or agents. Southern Louisiana is peppered with what are known as almost weres and has beens. Sugarboy Crawford, whose song Iko Iko you might know, stopped performing after a steel plate was implanted in his head after a brutal beating at the hands of white police officers. James Booker, one of the most noted pianists to play in the New Orleans style died on a hospital gurney after getting himself to Charity Hospital in the middle of over dosing on heroin, only to be left ot his own devices for six hours, in which time he died. The thing is, those men were not only major influences on the culture of their time and place, but on further generations after they were no longer playing. Both Barry and Biff may well have influenced others, but never to the degree of the other two men I mentioned. That doesn't make them lesser artists, just less influential. Not one of the four of them had very big sales at any point of their careers. However when I got the chance to meet Sugarboy Crawford, he was kind and courteous. And he stayed that way, no matter how many times he nipped from the bottle wrapped in brown paper in his hip pocket.

I lived in the New Orleans because I got an academic scholarship to Tulane. I worked in the french quarter bars because I discovered that was where the real money was to be made in New Orleans. Did you know that? I don't think so. I went out amongst the musicians because I loved the openness that most of them showed, and that Biff seemed to have at first. I found that most of them had experienced some degree of shell shock from having worked in the confines of the recording industry, and yet still seemed to be wonderstruck. Again, Biff fit right in; again, at first. But I found that many more of them continued to develop their skills, and work in the industry or on the fringe of it, because music was in their blood. Biff was dissimilar in that it was clear he put down his instrument for many years. When he playeed piano you could see the rustiness take hold of him. despite that it was clear by what he played that had he kept at it, he would have been a truly extrtraordinary instrumentalist.

That's a little about me. You raised my ire. Please don't do it again. I doubt I'll respond with the same earnest intent to explain my perspective. Mary Hope 03:00, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * As left on Mary's talk page:


 * Hi Mary, thanks for the note. I know exactly who you are. Greetings. -Sojambi Pinola 04:38, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't understand which of my writings inspired such a lengthy tirade from you on my user talk page. Terribly, terribly, terribly sorry. As I said, as a frequenter of the same two bars in which you worked, I know who you are, and I'd be happy to trade stories some day. We may not agree on the editing of the Biff Rose article, --in fact, we seem to have utterly different experiences of the man, his drinking habits, his belief systems and his social skills and tendencies-- but surely we can find some common ground from our shared associations with Mr. Rose. All my best, -Sojambi Pinola 06:48, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

The very fact that you said you knew me. We don't know one another at all. I've also alluded to the fact that i went over the pieces you've written on the Biff Rose talk page. Those are my inspirations. You don't know me at all. And obviously you only know Biff in a cursory manner.Mary Hope 05:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Read it again. I don't know you.  I just know who you are.  An important distinction. -Sojambi Pinola 09:00, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

thanks to you, my phone number is a stalker's username revising the Biff Rose page
Dear Dan100,

I'm sure you unprotected the Biff Rose page in good faith, but I wish you had communicated with the admin who protected it, first. (I'm only assuming you didn't.) We have had a spate of extremely antisocial behavior from unregistered users on that page. A user on that page has been calling my home phone number as well, in the middle of the night.

After you unprotected it, on 00:48, 27 December 2005, someone posted a revision on the Biff Rose page...using a new username consisting of MY home phone number. This is serious. This is blatant stalker behavior and an invasion of my privacy. It is probably illegal as well.

Please reconsider your unprotection. Thank you. --Sojambi Pinola 07:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I've deleted the number+reprotected the article. Dan100 (Talk) 09:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I wish I'd picked a friendlier title for this section. I was a bit panicked. Anyway, thank you for your swift deletion of the number and reversal of action. I appreciate it. --Sojambi Pinola 01:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: 3RR violations
(copied to User talk:Mary Hope) Thank you for your request. Please review my policy page; reports of 3RR violations should be reported at WP:AN/3RR. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 18:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Incident report
FYI, Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Cheers, -Willmcw 00:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I am so sorry to hear about the incedent
I hope they catch that creep who took your phone number --Cao An Min 21:42, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

answer to your weird statement that wanted an answer
i was invited over here by an administrator. We email about things, and I emaield him as soon as you became problematic toward me. Mary Hope 00:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Biff Rose
I'm not sure which aspect of that justified or justifies continued protection in preference to blocking the user(s) in question and/or removing the relevant revisions from the history of the article. (Incidentally, the removal was unsuccessful, since it is still publicly viewable at Special:Undelete/Biff Rose.)-Splash talk 17:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If you have an editorial dispute with another user, as the talk page does suggest you might, then ask at WP:RFPP for full protection while you work the problem through. -Splash talk 17:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

As long as you are logged in, you should be able to view the deleted history and log, but not the deleted material, at Special:Undelete/Biff Rose. How to proceed with the article hinges on whether the additions are simple vandalism or not. Clearly, using a phone number is. If this kind of thing is just plainly untrue then it is bad-faith editing and vandalism. I don't know Biff Rose; do his songs contain Jewish references at all? Is there even the slightest basis for an anti-semitism claim? If it is in any way a matter-of-opinion, then it needs to be thrashed out on talk. If it is just trolling, then it can be reverted as vandalism, and semi-protect reapplied if necessary &mdash; which is to say that blocking the anon would need to have failed, as it probably would given the changing address. -Splash talk 19:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, Splash, it is good to hear from you. Even here, but I wish you respond to me.  ε  γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  *  19:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * (dunno who you are, User:Encyclopedist, but this is a bit off-topic for my talk page, ay?)--Sojambi Pinola 20:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought that undelete pages were only viewable by admins. -Will Beback 22:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems something has been changed. Until recently, non-admins were able to view the state of the deleted history, but not the actual content it contained. Thus, you could see who had made an edit when, and what the edit summary was. That feature appears to have been disabled, however. It was, in fact, only enabled a few months ago, so perhaps it was just an experiment. -Splash talk 22:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, they keep changing stuff! FYI, the reason the article was "sprotected" was to curb the 3RR violations that involved new accounts and IP addresses. -Will Beback 23:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * As I've indicated elsewhere, that amounts to sprotection for content reasons, which WP:SEMI explicitly forbids. 3RR violations are not vandalism and, since they can be dealt with by blocks, do not necessitate sprotection. -Splash talk 23:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Aside from blocking every IP and new account used as they appear, they are not controllable. This issue was discussed at Wikipedia talk:Semi-protection policy and it was confirmed that this was an appropriate usage. -Will Beback 23:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Full protection has now been requested (and denied) on WP:RFPP. I think there would be the right place for this discussion. -Splash talk 23:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The issue is not the content dispute, it's the 3RR violations, which the folks at Wikipedia talk:Semi-protection policy consider vandalism. -Will Beback 23:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

RfC
this is from the vernacular of the the RfC. You might want to read it, and follow it.

"RfCs which are brought solely to harass or subdue an adversary are highly frowned upon by the community. Repetitive, burdensome and unwarranted filing of meritless RfCs is an abuse of the Wikipedia dispute resolution process. RfC is not a venue for personal attack. Filing an RfC over a matter that other users regard as trivial or inappropriate may diminish their opinion of you or may cause them to file an RfC against you. The RfC you file may itself turn into an RfC against you, if most of those voting and commenting are critical of you. Filing an RfC is therefore not a step to be taken lightly or in haste." 216.244.0.13 01:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not worried, but thank you for your concern. --Sojambi Pinola 05:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Have you actually filed an RFC? If not, it's high time. Derex 05:26, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I like what you've done with the place
If I were you I would post pics and such, because you seem to be so darn kooky. And I love your tone, I see your spreading the love over to Fleetwood mac. Sadly, you're not a very strong writer. Which is too bad because you do seem to know a little bit about the Mac, but not all that much.

I'll join you over there in a bit, once you get to be more sarcastic and bilious. As for now, I'll stay here, and watch you. I like the way you try and corner the market on witticism, no, wait, I don't really like it, you end up being a little trite on some occasions, and you have a tendency for smug affirmations.

Ah well, that's fine. Here's my offer, I'll give you 535.99 USD to go a full year off this site, no edits, you can read as much as you like. I love Brooklyn, what can I say. you found my sweetspot. So what do you say? I'll put the money in a paypal escrow account, and you quit all of wiki for a year. no cheating, we'll be able to figure out if it's you, i know that applecheeked writing style when I read it. So give it good thinking, there buddy boy, and you can help save brooklyn, rather than wasting your time reverting edits and writing hopelessly POV articles about your hero biff rose.Jonah Ayers 09:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * For the record, my silence can be bought, but only for three years of my salary up front. And then I'd probably still find sneaky ways around it, like getting friends or indentured servants to do my bidding, or at least vote their conscience around here....which would make it a not very good deal, I suppose.  Plus, anyone paying such sums would have to reveal their core identity, which may mean they would have to find it.  All interested parties would also have to stop calling me at 1:40 am, and would certainly have to stop leaving death threats for the subject of the article (had they ever started such practices, of course). All told, my price is probably too high for the average joe.     --Sojambi Pinola 16:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

3rr violation
yup.--Jonah Ayers05:32, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sigh. I suppose I did revert your vandalism three times today.  You've been ignoring the consensus-oriented discussions on the page, posting under a huge number of  sockpuppets and generally creating chaos for months.  You tried bribing me today.  You just archived an active discussion on the Biff Rose Talk Page, here.


 * The only changes you made today undid everyone else's work, and slightly reworded your erroneous, uncited contention that Paul Williams co-wrote music to "Fill Your Heart."


 * Yup is right.


 * Read my little pep talk on abundance, Jonah. It would do you well to grow your heart out a bit.--Sojambi Pinola 05:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Please be sure that you stay within the 3 revert guideleines, as well. User:Zoe|(talk) 05:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Abundance
I agree that some of those articles should be expanded. But an abundance for a mediocre anti semitic racist? no I think not, it's not censorship, it's jsut putting a small person in his place, a few sentences to describe his small contribution. And thats that. you don't write every single thing you read about hendrix, same goes for rose. these are biographical entries, not a list of every occurence in the person's life.Jonah Ayers


 * You are editing in bad faith. --Sojambi Pinola 06:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually I think it's you that have broken the 3rr today, and therefore are editing in bad faith. ouchJonah Ayers

There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. My conscience is clean. I can look myself in the mirror, and I rather enjoy doing so these days, if I do say so myself. (wink.) --Sojambi Pinola 06:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * If you've got a clean conscience that means you are completely amoral, you expect certain rules to be upheld against others, but not against yourself. That's jsut poor form. I expect the laws to be upheld universally, so my conscience must be not only clear, but more honest than that of yours, wink wink.. what kind of person talks like that? Or turns his back on a donation to Brooklyn? Your kind of personJonah Ayers

Fleetwood mac
I fixed a lot of the mess you left over thereJonah Ayers

Removal of others' comments.
Hi, please don't remove other people's comments from WP:AN/I. Thanks, Talrias (t | e | c) 15:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It was an accident. I think we were all posting at roughly the same time, and for some reason the Wiki software didn't catch it.  Anyway, very sorry about that.  --Sojambi Pinola 16:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Man are you fun to watch, jesus, you'll fuck up trying to put butter on the toast won't oyu? well that's alright, you remind of dick nixon, very tough, until at last one day, you'll mumble, they won't have sojambi pinola to kick around anymore. how about another wink? or one of those smarmy phrases you think are oh so witty? nope? Yeah well I can wait all day, Soji!!!! Jonah Ayers 23:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, sadly, I do, er, mess up trying to put butter on toast. It's terribly sad.  Got me there, Jonah, got me there.  --Sojambi Pinola 08:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Signature
Thanks for spotting that, Sojambi. I removed the Francs signature, given that the whole comment can't stay and leaving a bit of it would look odd. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 01:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your nice note. It's easier to be fair when you don't care about the subject, only the process. Cheers, -Will Beback 07:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

ALERT
just talked to the David bowie people about your buddy's unauthorized posting of Bowie performing his song fill your heart on biffrose.net. this is bad new2z for your boy, who will more than likely have to dummy up at least one of his residual checks ot pay bowie his performance fee. etc etc etc 216.175.113.160

Oh, goodness! Thank you for warning me. Happy Valentine's Day! --Sojambi Pinola 05:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)