User talk:SolitaOscula

September 2022
Your recent editing history at List of Anglo-Catholic churches shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at List of Anglo-Catholic churches, you may be blocked from editing. Sundayclose (talk) 02:01, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Both of you could have resolved this issue by looking at the article; only took a few minutes to find a relevant source. However, GraceChurchinNewark, please note your name would generally prohibit you from editing articles or sections related to the parish. Wikipedia has fairly established prohibitions against paid contributors. You can learn more here: Paid-contribution disclosure. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * But it isn't just one church. I'm honestly more concerned about the dozens of other churches he eliminated in one deletion that belong on the list. Especially when he clearly knows nothing about the subject. GraceChurchinNewark (talk) 03:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suggest looking at the massive deletion he did on January 30, 2021 between 3:50-3:59. This is not when he deleted Grace Church. GraceChurchinNewark (talk) 03:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , if you could link the specific edit you're referring to, that would be appreciated. I reviewed SC's edits from 30 Jan (and since the beginning of the year) and found nothing that suggests the deletion of "dozen" of churches on the Anglo-Catholic list. The list on High church was deleted, and while I am aware that they can be different things, the list lacked sources and links to the Anglo-Catholic list. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:30, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pbritti So between the beginning of the deletion spree until today @Sundayclose deleted by my count 43 churches off the list. 24 of these I have personal knowledge of from either having worshipped there, knowing their rector or a parishioner, or just being a generally aware Anglo-Catholic.
 * I'm not claiming that that is sufficient evidence. And they obviously need some kind of citation. I also agree that there are probably some churches on here that do not belong or should say more. 19 of those deleted I have no knowledge of, but that doesn't mean they aren't significant in their dioceses. This is a small but important subset of Anglicanism.
 * Looking at the NYC area alone, anyone who is aware of anything Anglo-Catholic in the US, could list off the top of their head every single one that was deleted. The NYC/NJ area has the highest concentration of the most notable A-C parishes. And zero made this editors cut. This list is completely meaningless without those parishes.
 * NYC-Area Churches Deleted
 * St. Mary the Virgin NYC
 * Church of the Resurrection NYC
 * Transfiguration NYC
 * St. Ignatius of Antioch NYC (restored)
 * St. Paul’s Carroll Gardens NYC (restored)
 * St. Luke in the Fields NYC
 * St. Thomas 5th Ave. NYC
 * Grace Church in Newark (restored)
 * Saint Anthony of Padua Episcopal Church in Hackensack, NJ
 * Christ Church, Bordentown, NJ (I'll add Bordentown, even though it is south jersey, just because I like father matthew and his cat).
 * Again, it needs to be cleaned up and obviously they should be cited. But that can be marked, flagged, highlighted, whatever is the right word. Not deleted. To delete 43 churches, not knowing anything about them, taking a quick look at their website, and whether or not it says "A-C" (which is an arbitrary marker made by someone who doesn't understand the actual markers of AC-ism), and that done sloppily is just not cool. How about @... the previous editor and saying "please cite." Or something. In order for this to be accurate, not only should these citations be made, but things shouldn't be deleted just because it isn't completely up to snuff. It isn't responsible or fair to the A-C churches or anyone who uses the link or wikipedia itself.
 * Frankly, I imagine there aren't enough wikipersons among A-C-ism who can come fix all this for every parish. In order to get those 24 parishes back on the list that were deleted in one fell swoop, someone is going to have to go back through and do the research that the person deleting should have done with a little more effort before deleting. I'm going to try for the NYC area and maybe the others I know, but I'm just a laywikiperson.
 * Well-Known Deleted A-C Churches Throughout the US
 * All Saints, Ashmont
 * St. Mary's, Kansas City
 * St. Mary’s Asheville
 * St. Timothy’s Winston Salem
 * Good Shepherd Rosemont
 * St. John the Evangelist Newport
 * Holy Communion, Charleston
 * Christ Church Chattanooga
 * Holy Cross Dallas
 * St. James Texarkana
 * Grace Church Alexandria
 * St. Michael’s Colorado
 * Advent SanFran GraceChurchinNewark (talk) 01:00, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I had the date wrong.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Anglo-Catholic_churches&type=revision&diff=1001311943&oldid=1001310589 GraceChurchinNewark (talk) 01:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I apologize; I had the date wrong. January 19, 2021 at 3:59 on which he deleted 39 parishes from my quick count. Add that to the others he deleted over a long period of time and it is a lot. I am going to go back to the list and suggest other parishes that should be added back which I have either heard from already or are no doubt prominent A-C parishes. I don’t know all 39 of those, but I know enough about many, for example, almost every A-C parish in Manhattan, that are very well-known and obvious. Do I have to go to these dozens of parish’s websites to find the word “Anglo-Catholic”? Is the burden of proof on each individual parish to request this when someone created an arbitrary guideline on his own to delete so many of which he seems to know very little about? I apologize for not being conversant in the ways of Wikipedia, but it would be helpful to know what a layman is to do when so much was deleted all at once. Or could the entire deletion be undone and someone with some solid awareness of the tradition clean it up a bit? I would agree there are some smaller less-well-known churches who may or may not belong and don’t have much info to back it up. GraceChurchinNewark (talk) 22:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * GraceChurchinNewark and : An issue that may need to be resolved before there is a mass restoration is how "Anglo-Catholic" is defined. I addressed this issue a couple of years ago on the article's talk page, which is where any discussion of the issue belongs. On that talk page and elsewhere I have argued that a source that simply uses the term "Catholic heritage" or "Catholic traditions" (or similar) is insufficient because every Anglican church has Catholic heritage. The details of my points related to the Church of England are on the article talk page. Similarly, simply identifying a church with practices such as incense, vestments, praying the rosary, etc. is WP:SYN, since such practices in and of themselves do not necessarily define Anglo-Catholic. But as I have said, the article's talk page is the appropriate place to address these matters. 02:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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