User talk:Solorunner

ATTN: LEUKO/CANTERBURY, RE: SHADOWRUN #S-RUN COMMUNITY LINK
I have linked the discussion page blurb for ease to you. As this debate happened years ago, I do not have access to that account. the #S-Run Community link has just as much value to the online Shadowrun community as Dumpshock does, because it has been the place to find real-time text-based Shadowrun gaming as opposed to the "Play By Post" option.

I will not go into too much detail over the removal of my link from the Shadowrun page; however, you should consult the Discussions page of that wiki as it has been addressed in the past by an administrator of wikipedia. The verdict of that dispute was that the #S-Run Community site belongs there just as much as, say, Dumpshock. The link is not an advertisement for a site, just as the Dumpshock link is not an advertisement -- but a valuable resource for online roleplayers.

The #S-Run Gaming Community is a long-standing Shadowrun hub for gamers who *cannot find groups in real life* to play the game online, live, via IRC -- and a valuable resource for over a decade now (going on year 13 this October). The CHANNEL alone sees 1/3 to 1/4th the traffic of ENTIRE IRC NETWORKS devoted to *every RPG* -- and its focus is on Shadowrun alone. As the issue of the #S-Run link has been addressed in the past (and only removed again because hosting was lost for a time), I will continue to post the link until further notice.

Thank you for your concern and vigilance in these matters, but I believe I am (and have been confirmed to be) fully within the wikipedia policy rights to display it.

-The SuperFly (Owner & Administrator of #S-Run)

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S-Run link

Okay this link www.s-run.com has been added and removed many many times over the history of this article. Most recently it has been added by the person who runs said community and has been removed (mainly by myself) as being spamming promotion for their own site. Now they have mentioned the following on their talk page.

Ben, you obviously did not look into what the #S-Run Community is. The channel #s-run on undernet was formed over 10 years ago as a branch-off of the Dumpshock IRC community over creative differences between administrators. Since I inherited channel admin duties 6 years ago, we have become the largest and most active IRC-based Shadowrun communtiy in the entire world. We run Shadowrun games at least 4 nights out of the week, and have GM's hailing from around the globe. Not even Dumpshock has the amount of IRC traffic and Shadowrun game-playing activity that we pull on a nightly basis. Also, as far as encyclopedic content goes, the 'Shadowrun Datafile' contains adventures, mods, alternate rulesets, shadowrun-related programs, information on movies and music based-on or related to Shadowrun, and plenty more. The community has also been the only one to subtitle and release german-language Shadowrun fan films (winners of the official contest, no less) to the english-speaking public. We may not have the massive amount of content available on some other sites, but our focus is also on getting more and more people to PLAY the game -- instead of just discussing it in forums. As illustrated, our contributions to the Shadowrun fanbase are nothing to scoff at, and I believe we have every right to be included on the wikipedia external links page. My posting the link is not for promotion, but to inform hungry players worldwide that an extremely-active Shadowrun gaming community is available to them 24/7. Thanks for your time and I hope to hear back from you soon. J. Daigle (SuperFly), April 17, 2007, 03:43am CST

So the question is, should this site be one of the allowed links? Community? Ben W Bell talk 09:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Nowhere is the link presented as some kind of advertisement for the s-run gaming group or anything of the sort. The website features regularly updated game logs, points out flavour material and supplies some game aids to anyone who wants them.

Dumpshock is pretty much a sci-tech news blog with the forum hosted there being the only real source of Shadowrun information beyond the plethora of 2nd edition sites that are no longer maintained. Whereas s-run provides editionless or 3rd and 4th edition resources which is something sorely lacking from the internet in the way of NERPS (or whatever your preferred phrase is). It is my opinion that the site in fact does not present an advertisement but instead does a good job of keeping track of Shadowrun related materials that are just not found elsewhere at this time. SwordRaven 17:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like useful information to me. If it is relevant to a significant number of people who are interested in Shadowrun--and it sounds like it is--then it should be in. Community sites like this are essential for gamers who live in areas where few others want to play, and given the current state of RPG sales in general and SR specifically, that's probably a majority of SR gamers. Ichoran 05:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Solorunner (talk) 02:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

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RE: Cantebury Edit (Copied from Vancouver Outlaw's talk page)
I did not mean to violate any terms, and am apparently unfamiliar with how to address issues using the Talk option. Cantebury's signature invited me to replay to him via his talk page -- which I did. The nature of that discussion is important and the text it contained was in regards to an issue of a link posted on the Shadowrun wiki. He deleted it, claiming it to be erroneous; however, this issue has been addressed and settled in the past, and the link was given full clearance to remain on the page. My apologies for not being familiar with the proper way to respond, but his comment (and talk page) instructed me to do just as I did. If you could please forward me the text i posted and a constructive and non-violatory way of getting it to the moderator, that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. ''- Unsigned comment by Solorunner (02:17, September 19, 2009)


 * Actually, I deleted your comment by accident. I tried to put it back and cancel the warning on your talk page, but if it was not put back as you had it before, you are more than welcome to put it back yourself.   Vancouver Outlaw   (Speak)  02:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009
This is your last warning. You will be blocked from editing the next time you add inappropriate external links, as you did with this edit to Shadowrun. Leuko Talk/Contribs 02:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * And How do I replay to your talk page? I would very much welcome a chance to talk to you about this issue as I have a very valid right to post the S-Run Community link on the Shadowrun wiki.  It has been addressed and CLEARED in the past.  I cannot contact you through your talk page, even though I am logged in.  Help?

Solorunner (talk) 02:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Leuko and Shadowrun link (Copied from Vancouver Outlaw's talk page)
I am wondering if you could help em since we were just in contact. leuko is threatening to suspend my editing privileges for the linkage on the Shadowrun page. But the issue has BEEN HANDLED in the past. I cannot reply to him/her on their talk page because it considers me unauthorized for semi-protected posting. THUS, I have no way of contacting the member. Can you help me by putitng me in touch with them or telling them to see the Shadowrun Wiki discussion boards and/or my talk page? I would very much like to get this smoothed over so I can go on with my dealings. Thank you! ''- Unsigned comment by Solorunner (03:04, September 19, 2009)


 * I'm not sure why you can't post on Leuko's talk page, because you aren't listed as blocked, but I will post a request on Leuko's talk page asking him / her to check your talk page.  Vancouver Outlaw   (Speak)  03:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! Maybe I just haven't had this accound active for long enough?
 * This is almost becoming frustrating.
 * Solorunner (talk) 03:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:ELNO and WP:LINKSPAM. Since the appropriateness of the link is already being discussed on the article's talk page, I will direct you there.  Leuko  Talk/Contribs 03:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Leuko, I believe you need to know that the Dumpshock page is owned by a line developer for Shadowrun, making its presence self-promotion in the most egregious sense. The Community link has just as much place there as Dumpshock, if not MORE, because it is truly an external link and not just shameless self-promotion on behalf of the line developers.  Please do not ignore this very valid issue. Solorunner (talk) 03:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Noted, link removed until consensus develops on the article's talk page for inclusion. -- Leuko Talk/Contribs 03:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)-- Leuko  Talk/Contribs 03:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Please note that Dumpshock is the de-facto official forum site for Shadowrun where developers and line editors also hang out and make official responses and answers to questions along with announcements. There is no evidence that the Dumpshock links where ever added by anyone with anything to do with the site. Canterbury Tail   talk  21:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

POSTED TO LEUKO @ 0415 CST, 9/19/09 - Issue with user modifying Discussion Board/Question of their actual decicive authority.
In regards to the debate going on in the Shadowrun Discussion Board over the validity of fan links, I would like confirmation from you (someone with the authority to ban posting privileges) as to the authority of the user MJBurrage.

He has modified two separate threads to be all inclusive between 0130-0400 CST, and changed the entire format of that section to bracket himself as mediator. He also insinuates that he decides how many links are posted or deleted. He is a large contributor to the wikis, but if he is not in a position of administration, I need to know. Thank you for your time and attention to these matters.

Solorunner (talk) 09:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Shadowrun
I never claimed to be an administrator, I was simply trying to answer questions. See External links for more details. —MJBurrage(T•C) 09:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

If you check my comments at the Shadowrun talk page you will see that I was asking rhetorical questions, not making declarations. —MJBurrage(T•C) 15:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Leuko Talk/Contribs 15:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)