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Anushilan Samiti
Are you kidding? Since when have Shibdas Ghosh's self published speech and his party's office secretary's obituary become independent, reliable, third party sources ( to make Shibdas Ghosh and Nihar Mukherjee notable Jugantar members)?180.149.48.245 (talk) 04:42, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 'Notable members' in this context can have two different meanings. Either it can refer to people who were prominent figures within the movement, or it can refer to notable people who were members of the movement. I think the provided references are satisfactory, but for from perfect, for the latter case. --Soman (talk) 15:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Satisfactory? Simply put, do we have anything other than Shibdas Ghosh's ( or his party's ) self-published statement to assert that he was a member of Anushilan Samiti? In what capacity? During which period? We may mention it ( as his claim) in the article about Shibdas Ghosh; but not on the Anushilan Samiti page. 180.149.48.245 (talk) 05:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that the claim that Ghosh was in Anushilan is a hoax? Considering the SUCI's roots in RSP, it would seem rather obvious to assume that the founders of SUCI had in fact belonged to Anushilan. I see no reason to question the accuracy of the 'claim' of Ghosh and SUCI in this case. Btw, is written by SUCI, but published through an obviously non-SUCI website. --Soman (talk) 09:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that SUCI sources in their own publications and also in some online forums claim that Shibdas Ghosh had joined Anushilan Samiti. I have not found it mentioned in any reliable third part sources.  I do not know whether the 13 year old  Shibdas Ghosh joining Anushilan Samiti is of any significance.  It may or may not be a hoax; but in the absence of this fact being mentioned in any reliable sources discussing Anushilan Samiti, I feel we need not mirror the SUCI claims in this article. 180.149.48.245 (talk) 13:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Two points; 1) regarding both Ghosh/Anushilan and Proletarian Era, I get the feeling that your edits and comments are marked by anttipathy for the party itself. Please note that having an article of PE or mentioning a biographical detail on Ghosh is not really an endorsement of the party. PE is far from the most notable English publication, but the practice at Wikipedia is general liberal enough to keep an article of a weekly/biweekly newspaper which is documented across decades and with national coverage. 2) As per Ghosh and Anushilan: http://books.google.com/books?id=HRAtAAAAIAAJ "Responding to the call of the Anushilan Samity, at the early age of thirteen, he plunged into politics. ... In the mid-forties Shibdas Ghosh, together with several co-workers, left the RSP to found the Socialist Unity Centre of India ...", http://books.google.com/books?id=TabaAAAAMAAJ "The Anushilan Samiti, is the serious partner of this combine of Hindustan Revolutionary Socialist Army of the UP ... under the leadership of Shibdas Ghosh and formed a new organisation called the Socialist Unity Centre of India or SUCI. ...", http://books.google.com/books?id=koqyAAAAIAAJ "The founder, Shibdas Ghosh, had originally called it the Dacca Anushilan Samity. In 1940 the faction broke away from the parent organization, and Ghosh went along with the splinter group whose center of activity soon shifted away from ...", http://books.google.com/books?id=5nNDAAAAYAAJ "The sponsors of the SUCI were earlier associated with the Anushilan party (a terrorist group in Bengal, ... The founder General Secretary of the party was Shibdas Ghosh, after whose demise Nihar Mukherjee has become the SUCI General ..." --Soman (talk) 14:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 1. You are wrong; please AGF. I was looking at the Anushilan Samiti page and saw the photographs of two "prominent" members. It was obviously an attempt by someone pushing the SUCI interests here. 2. My previous comments were all about the sources you had produced earlier.  They were not acceptable.  Now there are some independent sources for the Anushilan Samiti connection.  I am not sure they are reliable and I have not seen these books in their entirety.  However I agree that  this is not a situation requiring exceptional sources. But my opinion about the notability of PE still stands.  However I cannot file an AFD.180.149.48.245 (talk) 10:05, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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Twenty-one conditions
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 * http://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/2nd-congress/ch07.htm . --Soman (talk) 16:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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Baath party
there seems to have been a suggestion from you, some years ago actually, about splitting the Baath page for Iraq and Syria, no one responded (which should have been reason enough to assume, Consensus cant wait forever). But anyhoo, i think it should be split off and responded there. Im willing to split it, but can you help in organising the 2 new articles and the main one for its original relations.Lihaas (talk) 06:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I would suggest the following scheme: Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party (1940) for the Iraq-based party, Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party (1968) for the Syria-based party and Ba'athism as the general main article (describing the ideology and joint history). --Soman (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, ill move the discussion to the talk page. But as an aside, instead of Baathism (which i personally havent seen a source labelling it as an "ism") we could keep the party page as is on the overarchign joint history, etc and then split off the divisions). How does that sound?Lihaas (talk) 01:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we can treat the Iraq-based party as the original party, as the Syria-based party broke away from the former. There are also some other Baathist groups, such as the Sudanese Baath Party. --Soman (talk) 01:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

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