User talk:Soman/Archives/2011/June

[2011 Sri Lanka Worker Protests]]
Would welcome your input on the page as I believe it to be at least tangential to your editing interests.Pectoretalk 19:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late feedback. Unfortunately I don't have any additional sources for this subject at this moment. --Soman (talk) 17:08, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Non-free media galleries and Italian Socialist Party
The use of non-free images in galleries is generally discouraged. There are rare cases where such galleries can be appropriate. This is not one of them. Such galleries fail WP:NFCC #8, in that there is no accompanying secondary sourced discussion regarding the logos. That a particular historical logo is associated with a party isn't in dispute. Whether it is noteworthy enough to be encyclopedic is, and without any secondary sourced discussion pointing to that, the case isn't made. Regardless, such use in a gallery is precluded by such discussion (which is absent anyway). I've reverted your re-insertion of the non-free media gallery. Please do NOT restore it again. If you dispute this, please feel free to get a second opinion at WT:NFC. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 02:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As I noted above, secondary sourced discussion might provide a context for the use of particular logos. You've re-added the logos without providing any sourced discussion. I recommended you not restore the images, and instead take the issue to WT;NFC if you disagreed. I've raised the issue there. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Curse of 39
I fixed the refs. Please take another look at the DYK nom - thanks! Prioryman (talk) 22:36, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

A Nasothek is a collection of noses ...
... I can't believe I forgot to cite that important fact in the article, but now it is there. Thanks for catching it, is the DYK submission OK now?  Sharktopus  talk 16:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

27th Street Historic District
I think I have now addressed all of the concerns that you expressed on the DYK nomination for 27th Street Historic District. Let me know if there's anything else. Cbl62 (talk) 22:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK problem
Hello! Your submission of Baddam Yella Reddy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Libyan National Democratic Front
The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

FB + Twitter
Hey Soman - I figured I'd give you a heads up, we just put up a little blurb about you on the Wikipedia [facebook.com/wikipedia Facebook page] and on @Wikipedia on identi.ca. Congratulations on reaching 3500 articles created, it's a pretty awesome accomplishment. Kevin (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * RESPECT! --BambooBeast (talk) 18:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! --Soman (talk) 18:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no shame in admitting that as soon as I saw your name come up on Wikipedia's Facebook page, I came to say "Congratulations!" too. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 18:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Help
Hey Soman, I could use your help. I wanted to deny a speedy on Adolph Bermbach, so I went ahead and found a few things, and before I knew it I had to write Cologne Communist Trial. There's great potential in that article, as I'm sure you know; DYK is the least of it. Anyway, you know how to write these things and it's your turf, so I thought I'd give you a shot at it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress
Hello! Your submission of All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! OCNative (talk) 04:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Libyan National Movement
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Jewish Communist Youth Union
Hey, I found Jewish Communist Youth Union while stub sorting. I was wondering, since you were the creator (and still the main editor) of this article, what you thought of what I did to the article. Thanks, I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a message on my talk page. @ 19:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Article
Hello! Your submission of Article at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Drmies (talk) 20:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Soman, in addition to my remark at the DYK page, lowering the number of occurrences of Union would make the article (even!) more readable. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for South African Youth Revolutionary Council
The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for French India Students Congress
The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

"racists" - See NPOV
Your edit on Freedom Flotilla II was based on demonizing one side as "armchair racists". I'm sorry, but that is way off from anything resembling a NPOV.

Please try to remember that wikipedia is based upon a WP:NPOV

-- Bob drobbs (talk) 00:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, the comment was made in reference to Shurat HaDin, not other participants at wikipedia. Moreover, the comment was made as an edit summary, not in the article body. --Soman (talk) 01:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I second Bob. It is totally unacceptable to demonize any side as racists even in the the edit summary. This edit summary casts a shadow over your ability to adhere to NPOV on this topic. By the way "helped" is the actual word used by the NY times reliable source. Marokwitz (talk) 03:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Adhering to NPOV does not imply indifference. I'm not indifferent to this subject, nor other subjects which I edit articles about. I never claim to be indifferent, and in a way I think that's the essence of staying human. The meaning of the NPOV policy is that the texts in the article mainspace should be balanced and a product of consensus of different viewpoints, it is a requirement to guarantee the quality of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia (as opposed to, say, a blog). The talk pages and edit summaries are not part of the article mainspace. On the contrary, they are spaces designed for wikipedians to be able leave comments. It would be rather absurd if there would be a ban on using the term "racist" in discussions. For example, if I called Le Pen a 'racist', would I then be discarded from editing articles on Front National? If I call Adolf Hitler a racist in a talk page commentary, would that mean that I would be unsuitable to edit articles on WWII in a neutral fashion? And if an editor uses the demonizing label 'terrorist' to describe Hamas or Hizbollah, should that editor then not edit articles on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? --Soman (talk) 13:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It does not imply indifference at all. But I'm sure that you would call into question the neutrality of anyone who bases his edits upon the idea that the activists are "racist anti-semites".   How would you feel about an Israeli Zionist openly trying to edit pages _based on the idea_ that the activists are "racist anti-semites"?
 * As for Hitler and Le Pen, if you can find RS which call them racists then use that term. But do you have any RS which describes the NGO Shurat HaDin as being racist?
 * So please try to base your edits on what RS have to say, and not based on your own beliefs that people on one side are racist. That's all I was asking for. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 20:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Again separate between 'neutrality' of editors and NPOV article material. 'Neutral' editors are quite rare in articles on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and thus there is a necesity to be able to work alongside editors of different opinions for the sake of the development of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. My primary concern is not the motivations of other editors, but the product in terms of editing in the article mainspace. If you think my characterization of the organization in question was unfair, you're allowed to think so. In my view it was an apt description. Has Shurat HaDin ever defened any of the 1000s of Palestinians held in captivity by Israeli authorities? The truth to the matter is that is a hyper-partisan outfit, that sees the legal conflict as a battlefield in the war against the Palestinian people. In short a supremacist organization vowed to permeate oppression of people from another ethnic/religious group, i.e. a racist organization. I cannot describe it in other terms. But I would not include such commentary in the article mainspace (even if there was a RS source with such a wording), because such characterization would be unconstructive and only invite edit warring. --Soman (talk) 21:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Baddam Yella Reddy
The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for V. Subbiah
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for National Democratic Front (French India)
Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)