User talk:Sommerkom

Hi Sommerkom. Could you please take a look at Abdul_Hai_Habibi and check if the quote is correct? Is David N. MacKenzie talking about 1926 or 1936? Tajik (talk) 01:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If it is 1926 instead of 1936, I would be glad to see a scanned version of that specific part of the book where he mentions that information. I wouldn't have asked for that if the so called typo was found before I proved the claim to be incorrect - refer to Talk:Abdul_Hai_Habibi. Thank you.  (Ketabtoon (talk) 02:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC))

You two are a good reason why we have WP:NOR. On side finds something somewhat negative on a Pashto scholar with references looking rather valid. He sure C&Ps it into the Habibi article, adds some mistakes and fabricates his own rather baseless Criticism section from it. ("the Pata Khazana is considered probable forgery" -> "many of Abdul Hai Habibi's major works are fabrications"). A counterpart immediately questions the references, disproves the arguably most reputable publication on the development of Pashto script by original research and indirectly accuses me of bogus references. The other side, of course, can sense typos in books without knowing them.

Needless to say, nobody of you has ever seen the publication by Mackenzie or has any idea about the development of the Pashto script. That's why you're fighting about nonsense. The first known manuscript that makes use of both "ـږ" and "ڼ" is the Khayr al-Bayān copy from 1651. So nothing is exciting about the appearance of the two letters in a book the first half of the 20th century, be it 1926 or 1936. For further reading I recommend my article on Paschto Script. I'll gladly explain more if one of you cannot read German.

Just my two cents: AFAIK Habibi is still regarded a famous scholar even though the Pata Khazana ist mostly considered an obvious fake. In addition, there may be a minority of (Western) scholars that at least give the Pata Khazana the benefit of doubt. I'd gladly include their point of view if sb had some recent reputable academic (!) publications to source it. But don't claim my refs are bogus or copy them without knowing the content just because they look pro/anti Pashto/Persian, whatever. I don't give a damn about how old or young the Pashto Script is. -Sommerkom (talk) 03:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "indirectly accuses me of bogus references." I am sorry I was not accusing you of anything. The problem is that User: Tajik usually asks an Iranain/Tajik who obviously has similar views as his. So I thought you might be one of them.


 * I am new to wikipedia, there are a lot of rules/policies and I really didn't know about WP:NOR. The only reason I brought my original research into the discussion was that Tajik and Inuit18 are doing their best to defame some major Pashtun personalities here in wikipedia with the help of a senior wikipedian, Alefbe. Abdul Hai Habibi is a very well known and famous scholar from Afghanistan and using 1 or 2 references to attack such a famous personality (especially by a Tajik or Iranian) puts the neutrality or WP:good faith of the person under suspecion.


 * Please accept my apologies if I have ofended you in anyway with my first reply. (Ketabtoon (talk) 05:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC))


 * I don't feel insulted but those fights are a real hassle. Tajik asks an Iranian/Tajik and you ask a Pashto/... in turn so the battle is balanced. Tajik wants to defame Habibi, you want to defend him. Nobody does some research in literature, if a given academic reference doesn't support anybodys POV, then there must be a typo or a mistake, and anybody else without a clear POV just willing to contribute based on what he knows from reputable publications is put off by your childish quarrels. --Sommerkom (talk) 06:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

None of the sources we used is from a Tajik or a Persian but from a Pashtun. Qalandar Mohmand was a Pashtun and he criticized Habibi.--Inuit18 (talk) 06:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * When I say Tajik I am refering to User:Tajik or the complain by Ketabtoon. I certainly don't classify people by their perceived ethnicity. Btw, does anybody of you guys know what's the district center of Farza District? --Sommerkom (talk) 06:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Deh Now e Farzah" is the center of Farza District - Dehnawe Farza. (Ketabtoon (talk) 08:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC))


 * Thanks for the info. I have corrected my mistake (i.e. by adding the correct letter). As for Habibi: being famous is not the same as being (academically) qualified. I do not know all of his works, but two of his publications - the Pata KHazana and his biography of al-Afghani - are considered obvious forgery. And that has been criticized by scholars, both inside Afghanistan and abroad. Tajik (talk) 09:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:AN
Hello, I'm informing you that there is a discussion regarding a few of your actions at AN. Your comments are welcome. Regards, Airplaneman   ✈  02:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

It is ...
... suspected that your account is my sockpuppet *sigh* just wanted you to know. Take care. Tajik (talk) 17:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * User:Tajik, according to your block history, you were indef blocked by User:Thatcher in May 2007 (01:00, 17 May 2007 Thatcher (talk | contribs) blocked Tajik (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (disruptive use of sockpuppets and anonymous IP edits while avoiding arbitration) and immediatly after that your edits in the German Wikipedia increased rapidly by using User:Sommerkom and User:Phoenix2 IDs simultaneously. You were mostly editing the German Wikipedia from May 2007 until being allowed back here in September 2008. Ironically, both of these IDs are editting the same exact stuff you edit here in the English Wikipedia and that alone explains everything.--Lagoo sab (talk) 18:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * User:Sommerkom writes: "Btw, does anybody of you guys know what's the district center of Farza District?"
 * German IP 188.97.72.181 writes: "Btw, can someone delete the BS of Bacha Berish Amir Khar-or Suri (it would be new for me that Habibi used Suri'' for Khar-or and his imaginare relationship that some ultra-nationalists build up with the M Suri, the Ghurian chief"
 * German IP 188.107.8.82 writes: "Go and eat some Pashtoon shit. Pashtoons were living in Pakistan eating Dal like their Panjabi brothers and brother-in-laws and step-fathers. During the Ghurids, Pashtoon fell into their hand as slaves. Just read the court writer´s histoiry about them and their wars. A filthy nomadic haramzada will be a Ghurid...Ghurid did not even know what this honourless word Aughan or Pashmtoon meaned"
 * User:Tajik states: "BTW: I will be off until May 12th..." There is a strong connection, someone in Germany who is constantly bashing Pashtuns is editing the same articles as User:Tajik  with the same identical POV as Tajik's.--Lagoo sab (talk) 19:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)