User talk:Sooted

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Again, welcome! &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2005-08-19 20:35

Altering other users' comments on talk pages is not permitted
In this edit you altered the talk comment of another user, attempting to make it appear that they have written something that they did not. This deceitful practice is absolutely forbidden on wikipedia. You're quite entitled to add comments after their comment, but don't change what they wrote. Were you not a new user, I would have blocked you from doing this. Now that you know, don't do it again, please. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:05, August 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * I already told you - leave your reply after his. Editing his comment isn't permitted. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 22:13, August 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * If you want to message me, please leave a message on my talk page (by hitting the "talk" link in my signature). I haven't taken an aggressive tone with you, and I haven't attacked you.  I've told you what the rules are, and reminded you that they apply to you.  People come here with the mistaken idea that because wikipedia is editable and free that they have total liberty to act as they like; that's not so - everyone has to cooperate, and everyone has to obey the rules. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 22:20, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Sooted
You emailed me a couple of times. I don't usually discuss Wikipedia via email. Please use my Talk page if you want to discuss Wikipedia with me.

I hope you don't feel "attacked" by me or anyone else. If you make a genuinely useful edit then it will stay. You've made an edit to BBC which has survived, so far, because it is probably sensible. Start making more edits like that and you will be contributing to Wikipedia in a productive way. Robertbyrne 23:29, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

then:

1 you shouldn't provide your email address 2 reverting back edits just because of political views is not contributing in a productive way 3 it would seem from the language you use that you have some hostility towards Israel 4 I, and no doubt many others, no longer have any interest in contributing to the completely arbitary nature of immediate reversions and hostile attitude of admins


 * Sooted -- whether you contribute to Wikipedia is entirely up to you. Have a look at the Five Pillars link (same as above) for an idea of the kinds of edits that will last. Remember, "admins" have the same amount of editing power as anyone else. Where they come in is in blocking users, and trying to organise votes, etc. They deal with people breaking the rules all the time -- everyone on Wikipedia does: you haven't been specially targetted. Edits which are reverted quickly are usually reverted not because some skewed Wikipedia political consensus has been breached, but because the edit is obviously of very low quality, or breaks some well-known Wikipedia rule. Edits will last longer the more thoughtful and nuanced, and well-written they are.


 * I do take some offence at accusations of hostility towards Israel. There are many reasons why this is absurd and a bit offensive. Having spent many years in Ireland, I know that conflicts like this are not one-sided stories. In addition, I had many Jewish friends in years gone by. We all wish Israel's problems could be resolved. Spreading accusations of "hostility" won't help anything.


 * Anyway, editors such as you often become productive members of Wikipedia. It's up to you whether you want to "play nice". Robertbyrne 14:19, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but when something is edited without any good reason listed for the edit there tends to be some ulterior motive and in the case of you and the other editor the common motive is that you are both left wing and would tend to be pro-BBC

or in another case where the fact that Arafat planned the 2000 uprising was edited and claimed to be a POV despite all the evidence