User talk:Sophie means wisdom/Archive2007a

Eth Bombo
There's no debate because it is a prod, not an AfD. Prods get deleted in 5 days if nobody objects to the deletion. If you want it to be an AfD instead, feel free to change it to that.Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 21:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's me getting confused by all the different ways of doing the same thing. Totnesmartin 21:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the original user just removed the prod (so now the article is ineligible for deletion through the prod process) so I guess it'll have to go to AfD. He removed all the other templates too. I'll try to put them back but I think they'll probably get deleted. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 22:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Re Bermuda triangle
Thanks, grazie, gracias and merci for semi-protecting the article. Now I can do useful things instead of dealing with idiots. Totnesmartin 16:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries Martin. It was just unbelievable. Happy editing. --  Szvest   -  Wiki me up ®  16:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice to see that little padlock on the Triangle page! Carajou 19:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Nessie page
You stated the plesiosaur section was too long. Read it over and tell me what you think. Carajou 08:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And would you mind if I unprotected it to edit the waffly lead? --Guinnog 03:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You can edit it anyway, it's only a semi-protect. I de-waffled the plesiosaur section, then carajou split it, so it's still editable. Totnesmartin 14:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism again
Guess what got removed because some admin guy didn't think they'd be back?

And guess who came back? Carajou 02:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow
You've seen a UFO? What did it look like? What did you do about it? You should put that in your user page, I don't know a lot of people who have seen UFOs. I did find it useful that you have a "Trying to avoid lame edit wars" section; that part about going through the trouble of scanning a book only to be met with persistent disbelief sucks. V-Man737 00:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It was like a flickering light hovering near a building - I didn't see any shape. I call it a UFO because in the twenty years since I saw it, I've been unable to work out what it could have been. Weirdly, I was playing I spy when I saw it! "I spy with my little eye something beginning with U.F.O."


 * Every time I log on here I think "Has Love Hangover been reverted? What silliness is happening at Mothman?" But I persevere. You have to.Totnesmartin 11:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Bigfoot: the physical evidence
Construct your article around that title, lay it out according to the way it looks best...and there ya go! Carajou 02:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Change includes that Nessie girl...
Yeppers, I did Nessie, pretty-much following the same layout I did for Bigfoot. Put the animal first, then the other mundane stuff afterwards. I didn't do too much changing of the writing, but I did smooth out the lead paragraph, which should work for the article. Carajou 23:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

the Triangle again
I just ripped out some new arse-orifices without naming names over the Bermuda Triangle page. What happened is two editors came in, and altered the intro paragraph in such a way as to downplay the official, real version and replace it with the fictional one. In short, they traded facts for bulls##t. They also trashed the layout of the page, and I wouldn't stand for that.

The Triangle page was picked up as a foreign-language featured article before these clowns did their alterations. I put it back exactly the way I had it, and invited the staff at the Wiki-paranormal side to give it a look. They can edit in their own info, but they're going to respect the article. Carajou 03:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I saw that change, but I left it for you to sort out, because I was tired. (I read the link they put, and it was more rhetoric than info...) Totnesmartin 11:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It is more rhetoric than info. In fact, if left to the Triangle believers, the whole article would be left without the documentation, without the reports, without the photos; it would all be left in such a way as to just repeat what is written in the popular stories, which are heavily POV anyway.  Right now I'm expecting people like this Chs.K. to go whinning to the paranormal guys in charge and complain that the Triangle article is not paranormal anymore.


 * If you look at the talk page Chr.K. kinda challenges me to explain certain incidents to him. It's going to be the other way around, and what he states, if it's satsifactory, is going to be included in the article.  I want two things about each incident: that it states exactly what is written in the popular view alongside what is actually documented about it; and if there is no documentation, then there will be an admission that it is found only in what the Triangle authors have said about it.


 * And yes, I also changed the page back to where I had it. Carajou 15:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

The Mothman Prophecies (film)
Cheers for the info. I've never read the book so I couldn't do the comparison myself.

I hope that you don't mind, but I've used the information that you provided and reworded the passage a bit. If you don't think that my version is an improvement, feel free to edit it.

perfectblue 09:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's better now, it reads more smoothly. i just fiddled with some errant commas but I prefer your text to mine. Totnesmartin 10:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The Devon Wikiproject
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Discussion
(stored here after deleting section in Proposed Projects)

Devon
Description : a project to create and improve articles about Devon (the English County).

Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)
 * 1) Totnesmartin 21:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Herby
 * 3) Safalra 10:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Stevebritgimp 15:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Birddrz 00:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

There have been a number of rather negative aspects to Devon articles, notably disagreements as to history, obviously enthusiastic people who have a particular viewpoint or local knowledge but unverified information, and also the usual inferiority problem we have relating to our regional position and low economic and social status, within the SW, UK and the world. Cornwall should be the model to approach, with an objective for everyone to raise their game, and be more constructive. The project should cover Plymouth, Exeter, Torbay and all aspects of Devon and its environs. I'm likely to provide rhetorical help. Stevebritgimp 16:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

WIll you be Exploring the Devonian langage?--Lucy-marie 00:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose that would depend on whether or not anyone has the needed expertise Birddrz 12:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Langage as in the farm? :) Old Westcounty Brythonic/Devonish would be fair game as a Devon subject, but the facts (such as they are) should be stuck to. Speaking personally the 'Devon'-ness of things needn't just be geographical, but as pointed out below geography will be the lion's share of it.Stevebritgimp 22:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have just been involved in setting up a similar project concerning Cheshire, for all the same reasons as you give (using the project on Cornwall as a goal to aim at, as well.) You can go to WP:Cheshire for its project page which is still in its infancy. I'm just making this comment to encourage you to go ahead and create the project page, starting work on it as soon as you can, as I have already found it enjoyable. But I also want to make an enquiry. How do you see this project relating and working with the existing UK Geography WikiProject? I'm curious because, like your project is in a similar situation as ours is in this respect. For example, like Exeter does, we have UK Geography WikiProject templates on some talk pages. Our solution is to name them as a "parent project" at the moment, and leave the templates in place. I don't foresee any problems so long as we keep talking with each other and our objectives and guidelines do not diverge. I've yet to get any comment on the UK Geography WikiProject talk page about any of this.  DDStretch    (talk)  13:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I would agree that having the geography project as a parent project would both be wise and helpful, as we would have guidance and potentially more contributers. I would see a Devon project as overlapping geographical material, into other areas, such as the Janners article. Stevebritgimp 22:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, much of Devon is geographicaly interesting anyway such as Dartmoor Birddrz 23:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * also, it's not our template to remove. Totnesmartin 00:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I entirely agree - it is not your (or our) template to remove, which is why I wondered myself whether a "negotiation" between the members of the "parent project" to hand over ownership of the template might become in order at some point. Also, although this parent project uses the word "geography" in its name, it has a quite wide interpretation of that word. However, like your own project, I see ours as also extending from a purely geographical coverage.   DDStretch    (talk)  00:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I see WP: devon covering Biographical, historical and cultural topics as well. (To give an idea of what I mean, go and look at Talk: George Orwell to see who's covering that article!) Now I'm going to go and start the thing up... straight after a nice cup of tea.Totnesmartin 17:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Get out the scrumpy - Wikiproject Devon is now up and running! Totnesmartin 18:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the anti-vandalism work
I'd like to apologise on behalf of Axevalley, as I guess some of our more immature students were responsible for at least some of the vandalism created on the Colyton Grammar School Page.

My apologies, Pureferret 10:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I've seen much worse here! Totnesmartin 16:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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Little Mermaid articles
Thought you might like to know that several of the articles in the Category:Disney's The Little Mermaid characters are currently being considered for deletion as being non-notable. Badbilltucker 21:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. My only interest is "why give it a CZ project banner" (and i accept your argumant on that one) - I don't really care about the film as such. Totnesmartin 21:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Cross Spiders
Hola, I thought this comment on Talk:Spider webs in space was hilarious! "Cross spider redirects to European garden spider, so perhaps that's the answer, rather than hybridised spiders. Or perhaps they were annoyed about being in space. Totnesmartin 17:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)"You have just scored yourself a laughing point :)Rosa 18:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The Thing
Just like to thank you for cutting the plot section down a considerable amount! It's been that way for far too long. WP style guidelines recommend a length of 400-600 words (IIRC) unless the film is very long or very complicated, so it's still a bit too long, but you've cut out a big chunk. Thanks again. Geoff B 15:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The length was a bit intimidating for some editors. I watched the DVD last night and remembered the ludicrous lenghy plot "outline", so I decided to get a grip on it. Scanners is the length I'm after. Totnesmartin 15:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Aye, that's more like it! :-D  Geoff B 15:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

New Forest coven
Thanks! A Tory? Yeah, us Wiccans tend to be pretty conservative old gits! Funny, eh! Fuzzypeg ☻ 03:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3
Hi...the AFD you posted in was for its first nomination. I've nominated it for AFD again, so feel free to drop in your two cents again. Thanks.--CyberGhostface 17:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

British experimental musicians
Re: your post in Talk:Current 93, I'd say that if the category is British experimental musicians then it should only include people. Thus, David Tibet should be included, but not Current 93. Likewise, Nurse With Wound (a band, though one containing only one constant member) should not be included in the category, but Steven Stapleton (NWW's sole member) should be. -- rynne 17:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC) How did I miss those links? dur. Totnesmartin 21:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Zohnerism
The "discuss" tag for merging Zohnerism goes to the Dihydrogen monoxide hoax talk page, where nobody necessarily knows that Zohnerism (the article) even exists. Shouldn't it go to the talk page for Zohnerism? - DavidWBrooks 13:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I just checked, and the Zohnerism talk page stays with Zohnerism. Totnesmartin 14:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, by "go to" I meant "point to" - because there's a lot of talk on the DMHO Talk page that has nothing to do with Zohnerism, so somebody who wants to comment on the merge doesn't know where to leave a comment. It would be more natural, as well as more visible, to have those comments on the Zohnerism talk page, I think. - DavidWBrooks 15:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Softshoe and Soft-bodied Trilobites
Say, do you know of any journals or articles discussing about the Naraoiids and relatives as not being trilobites? I want to include that in the articles about Naraoia and Nektaspida.--Mr Fink 22:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC) Totnesmartin 23:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 
 * the front opage of Whittington's paper

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Jimmy Cauty
Hi, Thanks for your contribution to the article Jimmy Cauty. I'm a little surprised that Cauty is mentioned in a book as early as 1980, perhaps you could help WP:KLF out with a little more info on this? Please see Talk:Jimmy_Cauty. --kingboyk 15:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake - it was 1999. I'll just go and correct it. Totnesmartin 15:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Aaadonta
I just wanted to thank you for cracking me up... "New article about slugs. Needs lettuce to grow." is possibly the funniest (and cutest) edit summary I've ever seen. :) Pinball22 20:51, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Having done new article monitoring myself, I knew how much you guys needed some light relief! Totnesmartin 22:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Random hello
No reason, just hoping to brighten your day. V-Man - T/C 00:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers mate! Totnesmartin 11:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Fleegle
Thanks for the link - I meant to reply earlier. The spelling would probably still keep getting altered even if I added it to the article! It's always good to have proof though, especially for obscure details like this. Pufnstuf 00:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC) What you have to do is add an invisible comment at the spot. here's a couple of examples:. They help, actually. Totnesmartin 12:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * Ay thang ewe! Totnesmartin 11:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment when reverting vandalism
Hay Totnesmartin... you might want to watch your language a little bit when reverting vandalism. (In reference to this edit) I know it's not really a big deal when the shoe relay does fit... but it makes us all look good if we maintain a level of dignity above that of the vandal. Thanks, ---J.S (T/C/WRE)
 * Ok I'll... try. Sometimes I get annoyed by the stupidity of it all. Totnesmartin 16:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I work in tech-support... you haven't seen stupidity until you've worked in tech-support. The children who vandalism here at least have the excuse that they are children. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 01:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Adult vandals are social inadequates who relish their little illusion of power. A bit sad really. Totnesmartin 14:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Rumex obtusifolius
Thanks for being bold where I wavered. The trouble is the "Medicinal use" section is now better referenced than the rest of the article. I'll see what I can find.--QuestingVole 21:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's all out there, if you can wade through the science paper PDFs! Totnesmartin 21:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

UK V Britain
Sorry to go on about this, but all of the sources that I found specifically state Britain as in the geographic area, the UK is a larger area and the overall statistics may be very different if you include the rest of the UK. I only have data for Britain so I think that we should stick to it.

perfectblue 17:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if that's what the sources say then best stick with that. Don't really want a pointless edit war, do we? Glad the article was kept, btw. Totnesmartin 18:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

grovelling
Its on david gerards watch i think - he used to come from where I am sending this from - I was the driver for jimmy when he was here two weeks ago - does that explain all? SatuSuro 11:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was just making a joke from the film - please ignore. Totnesmartin 11:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Never apologise - I really have to get the dvd out and go through it again - obviously there more in- jokes than I can cope with at the moment, but realise that I shall have to tread very carefully in monty territory - cheers SatuSuro 11:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There are tons of in-jokes there, and tons of people who know them all. Watch the film again (if only because it's great!). Totnesmartin 12:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I had a real thing about Time Bandits as well - vastly under-rated I thought - probably need a day when my teenagers are at school and the other halfs out - and indulge including brian, meaning and the rest - truly get in the swing so to pseak SatuSuro 12:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a day well spent! Totnesmartin 12:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Tregear
Hi, thanks for getting back to me with that. I did a bit of scrounging and worked it out... I take it that it's not too big a placethough - it looks like you've given me a map of some guys' back paddocks!Garrie 22:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

It's probably just a couple of farms! I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it. Totnesmartin 09:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

NGC
NGC=National Geographic Channel, it was said in the Bermuda Triangle article.--Migospia 20:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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[Wheel of the Year] Spelling
As far as I'm aware, it can be spelt 'Febuary' or 'February', though February is more common. I actually don't think I can change it at the moment, I've been having computer troubles. Brenton.eccles 10:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
Please always check page histories before nominating pages for speedy deletion. Some pages, such as Dahia (Rajput clan), which you tagged to speedy deletion, have merely been vandalized. Administrators are responsible for checking page histories before they hit the delete button as well, but sometimes make mistakes. Thanks for your help! Goodnight mush Talk  21:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops! Sorry! I normally docheck I must be tired. Goodnight Wikipedia. Totnesmartin 21:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)