User talk:Sopwith21/sandbox

DO NOT DELETE THIS PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

This took quite a bit of time to make ands IT IS NOT A PROMOTION!!!!!

The book this article is on to be released very soon and it is a major work on a major figure in history.

I simply haven't had enough time to properly link it and fill out the page (due in part to the fact that wikipedia won't even allow me to upload pix yet.)

SO PLEASE DO NOT DELETE!!!!!!!

Sopwith21 (talk) 02:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Then you should have created a subpage from your userpage and stored the content temporarily there while editing until such point as it was ready for release and to stand the various notability and spam tests. Mfield (talk) 03:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

That's fine but the administrators or whatever they are shouldn't flip out and threaten to delete many hours of hard work. This took about 3 hours of research trying to figure out all of wikipedia's silly guidelines and rules and figure out how to use it and then when I finally finish you people flip out and threaten to delete it. If you people would get off your high horse and be a bit more social and helpful it would sure be nice.

Sopwith21 (talk) 17:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe you should read the guidelines and before starting out then? Seriously you can't blame everyone else for your lack of knowledge, it's all easy accessible and help is only a request on a talk page away. It's not a question of deleting 'many hours of hard work' either as its all stored in the Wiki history and can be copy and pasted back, plus an admin thoughtfully relocated the article to your sandbox so you could easily continue with it - that isn't standard practice, it would normally just be deleted. No one is flipping out, there are policies in place about what constitutes a good article for good reasons. Mfield (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

If it made any bloody sense I already would have. I need a link or something that will tell me exactly what criteria to meet. As I have tried to find this repeatedly and have only come to dead ends.

Sopwith21 (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Try Notability_(books) - MrOllie (talk) 17:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The subject of the article must be notable in order to qualify to have an article and as this book does not exist yet, has not therefore won any awards or sold any copies and is not referenced in any mainstream media. Pretty much the book needs to have been released and therefore reviewed/won some awards or it needs to have been subject of a controversy ot something. Else there would be 200000000 articles about every book in existence. Mfield (talk) 17:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Isn't that the point of an online encyclopedia? I thought it was for information for any given subject, not a popularity contest.

Sopwith21 (talk) 17:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If that were the case we'd be swamped with gazillions of bytes of unreferenced rumor and opinion and there would be a serious loss of credibility. Subjects and information need to be referenced and that involves them being notable. Maybe start with Introduction and Your_first_article, these will explain some of the core concepts and policies. Mfield (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand and agree. But as you can see here:

http://www.schifferbooks.com/newschiffer/book_template.php?isbn=9780764330957

This book is not a rumor nor opinion. It is a factual book on a historical event to be released quite soon. If you decide on what subjects you will introduce simply by popularity that's fine, but don't make people read between the lines to see it. It saves them quite a bit of time.

Thank You

Sopwith21 (talk) 18:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's nothing to do with 'popularity' and no one is saying the book is a rumor. What there isn't in fact is anything to say that the book is highly regarded, a record breaking bestseller, controversial or anything that would make it notable in any way. Those are the references you need. If it's nothing special, then it's just another book. And there's no reading between the lines involved - from the link I sent you above - Your_first_article - point no. 5 'Gather references both to use as source(s) of your information and also to demonstrate notability of your article's subject matter. Articles that do not meet notability by citing reliable published sources are likely to be deleted.' Mfield (talk) 18:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)