User talk:Soulscanner

Great job...
on the shortening of the History section. Regards, -- Jeff3000 05:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

English-speaking Quebecer
Soulscanner, on the talk page of that article, you have broken up what I wrote. I know it is slightly more complicated to respond to what I wrote without breaking it up, but ultimately nobody else will be able to read it this way. Could you please reorganize your reply and restore what I wrote? Joeldl 19:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't bother, I've done it. Please don't break up my comments. Joeldl 20:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Soulscanner, you've messed up the order of comments again. I responded to Mathieugp, so I indented once more than he had. You were also responding to him, therefore you needed to respond below my comments and indent them the same as mine. Joeldl 09:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know. These talk pages are being abused by us anyways, They're getting way too long. It's just too unwieldy. Feel free to shift things around if you don't like the format. Just don't delete anything.--Soulscanner 04:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't break up other people's comments. That way, nobody will need to move them around. Joeldl 15:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Proposed move of Canadian French
Greetings! Would you care to weigh in on this proposed move? There's been a lot of discussion, and I apologise in advance for prolixity. :) Merci!  Corticopia 12:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Previous comments on your edits to Canadian French
You have deleted a discussion from your talk page that can be found here:

You have moved the discussion that was on your talk page to the talk page of the article. I don't know whether this is appropriate Wikiquette. But I don't think you should remove comments from your talk page. You should instead archive them when your talk page is too long. Joeldl 20:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * They were not appropriate here. It was a complete discussion about the Canadian French article, where they belong. --Soulscanner 01:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That conversation is part of the record of discussion of your edits and should be available to people examining your talk page. Joeldl 01:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The conversation did not belong here. It should havve occured on the talk page for the article. --Soulscanner 01:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not clear to me that it was inappropriate to bring it up on your page. There was a potential POV issue and the fact that you chose to make those edits could be of interest to other editors. Joeldl 01:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I made those edits on the Canadian French page. That is where edits are normally discussed. Anyone interested in those edits can go to the talk page there. People can also check the history page here if interested. I did not delete any material. Personal talk pages are not for long interchanges like this. Your note and link on this page document the move. You're right that I should have indicated that I moved the content, though, so I appreciate you doing the work and providing the link. --Soulscanner 02:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

English-speaking Quebecer
Soulscanner, there is no excuse for removing "citation needed" tags before anybody has had a chance to check the references. You also seem to act like its my responsibility to read the entire reference. Page numbers must be provided. 26,000 "English-speaking Asians" did not come to Quebec. They eventually had English as their first official language spoken. Also, the reference does not say that most Indians, Chinese and Filipino arrivals speak English before coming. Yet you have also removed that fact tag. I removed the Canadian flag because the region with significant numbers is Quebec, practically by definition — no need to accuse me of vandalism. The infobox at California doesn't have a U.S. flag; why then should English-speaking Quebecer?

I was originally inclined to believe that, though you had a definite anti-francophone POV, you would play by the rules in editing. But I now see that that is not the case. In removing the population figures, you went against the majority opinion expressed on the talk page. You are also removing fact tags before I have had a chance to verify the information. You cannot make judgments unilaterally about whether the statements made are accurate reflections of the sources. You also cannot accuse me of vandalism for an edit on which you happen to have a different point of view. Joeldl 13:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I've requested comment on your edits at WP:RFC/HIST. You can respond at Talk:English-speaking Quebecer. Joeldl 20:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Québécois
You have contributed so regularly to Talk:Québécois that I thought you would certainly have noticed the discussion there following a listing at WP:RFC/HIST. I should have left a message about it on your talk page earlier. This is an oversight and I apologize. You are welcome to defend your point of view there. Joeldl 20:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Anglophone exodus
I removed your text from Anglophone exodus and redirected the page to Quebec diaspora. There was no exclusive "Anglophone exodus" from Quebec in the time frame you suggested but a major exodus of Anglophones along with people from various ethic groups and many French Canadians Interprovincial Migration by Language Groups Province of Quebec, 1966-1991. Collectively, it can only be described as a "diaspora". I intend to expand the article as soon as I get a chance but in the meantime, please feel free to add to the text on this subject. Thanks. Phinius T2 18:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Neutrality discussion at Quebec article
Exasperating is a good word. Given the amount of reading and research needed I'm sorry to say that it's not worth it. Discussion tends to die off with a lack of resolution anyway. I don't see the Quebec identity article that was supposed to be created last time. –Pomte 14:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Quebec nation issue
Hi! I've noticed you have added to the discussion on Talk:Quebec and, in response to the discussion regarding whether or not Quebec is a nation, I have replied with this. I would like you to read the discussion on the Talk:Quebec page, then read my response and leave your comments on it's talk page! Thanks for your input.  Andrew 6 47 02:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Canada
Check the Canada page again. Regards, -- 18:03, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Quebec
I just wanted to comment on your comment "bad faith isn't demonstrated here." I didn't remark that Pgsylv was acting in bad faith, I said that I can't assume good faith from him/her any longer. Pushing a political point is not attempting to add to the Wikipedia community in my understanding. That's what I was trying to say.  Andrew 6 47 06:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand. But you have to be careful to assume good faith. There are lots of things wrong here and I'm about ready to go to arbitration with a number of edits here, but accusations like this do not help what is left of the dialogue. --Soulscanner 06:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Understood. I try to avoid POV discussions, but I cannot avoid this person's arrogance.  It seems that no matter what is written, this person will not accept anything other than their interpretation.  I'll refrain from commenting on this person's opinions from now on.   Andrew 6 47 06:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for Harrassment
You seems to have a grudge agaisnt G2bambino. First a vexatious RFAR and secondly a bogus 3RR report about an article he hasn't edited for weeks. This isn't acceptable and you need to leave him alone. He certainly doesn't need provoking right now. Your actions are disruptive and harrassing. I have suspended your editing rights indefinitely. That does not mean forever but rather until you make a clear undertaking to leave G2bambino alone. As soon as you do that you will be unblocked. If I am not around you can use an unblock template and any passing admin will do the unblock. Spartaz Humbug! 17:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * having thought about this for a couple of hours I have come to the conclusion that an outright block was OTT without an initial warning. I am therefore unblocking you but please be aware that further disruption and any more bogus reports will not be tolerated. Spartaz Humbug! 18:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just lifted an autoblock Spartaz Humbug! 18:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please Check history page at 3RR page. My reports have been vandalized by G2bambino. They do not reflect what I posted. Your block was in good faith, but terribly mistaken. --soulscanner (talk) 21:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Your block log {http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&page=User:Soulscanner] now reflects the fact that I screwed up and that you were the victim of an altered 3RR report. I have indicated that you are fully exonerated and apologised for my error. A note in the block log is more permanent and useful then a talk page note. Thank you for your understanding. Spartaz Humbug! 22:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Really, I know it's not your fault. --soulscanner (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi! Please keep me out of this. Thanks! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 22:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Dominion issue et al
Sorry that you are still embroiled in this issue. I have been ignoring it. The antagonists seem to have a unbending POV, are deaf to valid counter-arguments, and one's tired and repetitive ad-hominem arguments should have been censured long ago. The whole thing makes me question the wiki-approach to this encyclopedia but I can only control my own contributions so am ignoring the issue till I feel less passionate about the problem-makers.

As to your question, it was quite a long time ago and I don't recall exactly how I entered. I believe I either saw a Request for comment on the Canadian Wikipedians' notice board or perhaps just noticed a Dominion discussion/change on the Canada page through my watchlist. I don't recall if there was ever anyone brave enough to enter as a mediator or if one was actually requested (though it perhaps should have been done if only to improve the quality of discussion and avoid the ridiculous voting).

If your blood is too boiled by this at the moment, may I make the unrequested suggestion that you take a break from it and return later. The encyclopedia is not worth your health and peace of mind. When you return, remain phlegmatic, keep documentation of abuses, and request help and report when needed.

Cheers! Double Blue (Talk) 17:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

No worries! It's an interesting if obscure topic, isn't it?--Gazzster (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Emergency: Please check Administrators' noticeboard/3RR History
Please check G2bambino edits at Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. The History page shows extensive alterations to posted complaints and decisions (see history page). G2bambino has altered the page to make it appear that my posts were spurious, resulting in User:Spartaz blocking me (in good faith) for harassment. G2bambino then reverted to the old postings. This is a blatant case of vandalism. Please compare following with current page:

G2bambino deliberately altered my posts to the page with intent to misrepresent them. --soulscanner (talk) 20:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ]Stifle last post before alteration including initial complaints and decisions see link
 * Final edit by G2bambino showing altered posts see link
 * Dealt with. Stifle (talk) 22:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * On further consideration I've referred it over to ANI because I have to go and this is more complicated than I think. Stifle (talk) 22:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --soulscanner (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. x42bn6 Talk Mess  01:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Now, moving back to your AN3 posting. I'm sure you know (at least you should) that 3RR is for reporting extant edit wars and not incidents that came up several months ago. Please bear this in mind as future similar reports will be treated dimly. Stifle (talk) 09:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Will do. --soulscanner (talk) 14:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Canada
Your comment has been read. You have not clearly laid out what the dispute is: you seem to have quite a few of them. Your placement of these tags is nothing but disruptive, and seems to be the result of your unwillingness or inability to compel on relevant talk pages -- as such, I have removed the tag. As well, your contradictory, hypocritical, and malformed behaviour throughout has eroded any good faith there may have been. I have little more to say to you, and will comment as needed. Quizimodo (talk) 18:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Dispute is clearly laid out at dominion page. You've been told the policy. I'm filing an incident report. I won't get the page locked again. Removing tags like this violates wiki policy --soulscanner (talk) 18:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the dispute is on the 'Dominion' page; you have renewed it on the 'Canada' page for dubious reasons. Spare me the condescension: file whatever report you wish -- I will respond appropriately.  Quizimodo (talk) 18:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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Dominion Mediation
It appears Quizimodo isn't going to get involved with Mediation. Since this is basically a Soulscanner VS Quizimodo dispute? You may aswell 'pull the plug' on Requests for mediation/Dominion. -- GoodDay (talk) 20:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am deliberating. Quizimodo (talk) 21:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image
Are you just being antagonistic about the image of the Queen on Canada? If there's no fair use rationale for that particular article, add it to the image page. This isn't difficult to do. --G2bambino (talk) 20:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to write one, and I don't have the time to figure it out. I'm just enforcing the rules. It will be deleted by a bot anyways. It's happened to a whole bunch of images I put on pages, and it was too complicated to figure out all the rules. I know that you have to prove that there is no free image available to use a copywrited image like that; that rule mafe me give up on puttitng pictures up. I know on this page, there is already a fine picture of the queen on the picture of currencies, so you might have trouble proving that there is no other picture available when another image of her already on the page. --soulscanner (talk) 21:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you were so concerned about the image being used on pages for which there's no fair use rationale given, why then did you not delete it from Canadian and American politics compared, Style of the Canadian sovereign, Government of Canada, Monarchism in Canada, Debate on the monarchy in Canada, and List of Canadian monarchs? Further, all you had to do was this to quell your concerns. --G2bambino (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please take this to the relevant Discussion board. I won't discuss it here. --soulscanner (talk) 21:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

3RR
Note: you have violated WP:3RR at Canada. You may self-revert, otherwise I'll file a report at Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. --G2bambino (talk) 22:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no 3RR on removing a non-permissable photos. The picture you posted was a copywrited image that had no fair use rationale for the page. You are not supposed to post an image like that. if a self reverted, I'd by violating wikipolicies by knowingly posting a disallowed image. --soulscanner (talk) 22:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We shall see. --G2bambino (talk) 16:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Advice
Hello Soulscanner, I think you've posted on Gazzster's personal page, instead of his personal talk page. Better take a look. GoodDay (talk) 23:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know, you should not remove the Official Canadian portrait of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada. This is the official picture of our queen, and it is a public image as stated on the Canadian Government website. You can order a free copy of it by calling 1-800-OH-CANADA or emailing them. Thank you in advance for understanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Batfinkw (talk • contribs) 04:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Requests for mediation/Dominion
There is an error in Requests for mediation/Dominion. You currently have as a party, and that's not a real user. Additionally, when you fix the request, make sure to notify the other party/parties. --  tariq abjotu  06:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Soulscanner, I don't think you're suppose to edit the Mediation's Decision section. GoodDay (talk) 19:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Didn't know. I'll move my postings. --soulscanner (talk) 20:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Images
Instead of arguing on the Canada page, bring up the issue on one the guideline pages like Wikipedia talk:Non-free content or talk to an admin who is involved in fair use criteria like User:Masem, and see what they see as acceptable fair use criteria. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Quizimodo
I've reported this user's uncivil behaniour at Wikiquette alerts. As you're involved in the discussion at Talk:Dominion, you may wish to comment.--Gazzster (talk) 01:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

You are invited to a discussion at Requests for comment/Quizimodo.--Gazzster (talk) 23:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you care to co-certify?--Gazzster (talk) 02:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't feel I can comment much on the current dispute as I've not participated in the Dominion article and I've not participated in the Canada discussion for several months. I do, however, commend you and Gazzster on going through the steps of this process, documenting the inappropriate behaviour, and seeking a change. Cheers! Double Blue (Talk) 22:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think I'm that involved to be able to comment on an RFC. I've only been really involved many many months ago, and one-single day recently.  Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 13:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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Rfc on G2bambino
Hello Soulscanner, I'm already involved with an Rfc on Quizimodo. I'm sorta reluctant to get too deep into these disciplinary actions. It's all the more difficult when the editor (G2) is somebody I've had no problems with in my dealings with him. Indeed, I was intially reluctant to post at Quizimodo's Rfc (and Wikiquette). I was also reluctant to post at TharkunColl's 2nd Wikiquette (last year), having avoided his first Wikiquette altogether. GoodDay (talk) 16:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

PS: G2bambino? a meatpuppeter and/or sockpuppeter? I'm not convinced. GoodDay (talk) 18:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfC on G2
Hi Soulscanner, I've deleted the page as a second person has not certified the arguments/RfC evidence within the required 48 hours as stated at the top of the page:

Regards, nat.utoronto 18:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Quebec
Its seems a certain editor [Pgsylv], has breached 3RR. Good luck with this fellow, Soulscanner. GoodDay (talk) 01:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

My supposed revert warring on the Quebec page
Please take note that my modifications have been endorsed by a majority of editors, therefore I don't think you can call it revert warring.--Ramdrake (talk) 11:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hardly endorsed. That's 2RR.--soulscanner (talk) 11:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Ramdrake has read the warning you left on his page, he has every right to remove it. Indeed the fact that he removed it shows he has read it. There is no reason to keep the warning on his talk page if he doesn't want it there. Please respect other editors right to remove such warnings if they so wish, thanks. Alun (talk) 12:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Never said he deosn't hav the right to remove it. He should reach consensus before making edits, that's all. --soulscanner (talk) 12:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, but he removed the warning and you reverted, you should not have reverted, just assumed that he had read the warning. You have every right to warn, but once he has removed the warning it's best to let it go. The fact that you have warned is a matter of record in the history page, so if Ramdrake were to break the 3rr rule then you could use this diff as evidence that he has been warned. It increases antagonism to revert war on his talk page and there is no rule that any a user has to keep warnings on their talk page. I'm only concerned that you don't get into a pointless edit war on his talk page, no good can come of it. You may not have been aware that it is acceptable for users to remove such warnings from their talk pages, that's fair enough, I was only notifying you that he is entitled to remove the warning if he so wishes. All the best. Alun (talk) 13:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Especially since my original removal had Read the warning as an edit summary. How much clearer do I need to be?--Ramdrake (talk) 13:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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POV forks
POV forks

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That's what you do.

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Quebec
Hello Soulscanner. Am I accurate in saying, you will not except 'Quebecois nation' in the Quebec article's lead? We need you at the 'discussion' to clarify things. GoodDay (talk) 22:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm always behind the times. PS- When did you guys decide to remove the Quebecois nation resolution from that article's introduction? GoodDay (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, I like it too. GoodDay (talk) 14:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Quebec
The new wording is fine with me. And I would agree that Pgsylv's ban should be lifted as long as he remains civil (maybe restrict blocks only to uncivil interventions and allow civil interventions?)--Ramdrake (talk) 16:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Pgsvlv's talk-page. I don't think he's reformed his ways, yet. GoodDay (talk) 18:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sure happy you & Ramdrake worked things out at Quebec. PS- Things sure got resolved quickly, after Pgsylv got booted out. GoodDay (talk) 18:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Meetup/Montreal
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List of Quebec regions
Just Google "provision of government services" if you think this is a "faux-ami". Joeldl (talk) 07:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Stéphane Dion
"Most in the NDP supported it too, but leader Jack Layton was opposed."

In 2000, NDP leader was of course Alexa McDonough. Layton proposed repealing it in 2004, and presumably he opposed the act back then too, but I don't think the position of a then Toronto city councillor would really be worth mentioning in the Dion article. I would change it to McDonough's position, if I knew what it was. Kelvinc (talk) 05:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

MIA
Hello Soulscanner, how are you; where are you? GoodDay (talk) 18:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Made the 2nd request (though rough looking, it looks). GoodDay (talk) 22:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

It's been rejected on incompleteness; sorry I messed up. GoodDay (talk) 14:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Vote at Fête nationale du Québec (Saint Jean Baptiste Day)
Hi, I've set up a vote to try and resolve this. As you've commented on the issue already, I wanted to ensure you take the opportunity to vote. Gabrielthursday (talk) 00:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no objections personally. Makes me look more competent than I was. Gabrielthursday (talk) 06:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Possible RFC
Hmm, I'm not fully engaged on this topic (as I normally would be); due to the fact I'm currently involved with 2 Mediation Cabals. I'd recommend getting another (more engaged) editor to co-sign with you. GoodDay (talk) 19:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 19:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not entirely involved in the topic but have read up on it if you'd like I can assist in RFC. .:davumaya:. 00:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

nah; i don't think i'll do that. thanks for the suggestion, though. Soup on the rocks (talk) 12:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

An admin's unsolicited intervention on a discussion page

 * It's just that I've never seen an admin intrude unsolicited on a discussion. There are longer, more bile-driven, tangent-strewn discussions on any number of talk pages, including the ones we're both familar with. But the admin only intervenes when requested. It's not as if the discussion had nothing to do with the edits under discussion. But even otherwise, the users themselves should be permitted to bring the discussion back to point or point out to the writers that they're being vitriolic. Admins should only intervene when there is no other option. I do not feel that the options were exhausted. So I believe there's something slightly to the right of Attila the Hun about the action the admin took. --Gazzster (talk) 23:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

History of Montreal
This article states that human presence in the region can be found 8000 years back. This means the presence of Homo sapiens. Can you add some information about pre-human history, for example what was the condition during Paleozoic etc.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 04:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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RfC/U
There is currently an open Request for Comment on User Conduct here, regarding G2bambino. As someone with past interactions with him, you are invited to comment. — [ roux  ] [ x ] 15:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Question..
Hey.. I have a quick question for you. Can you drop me an email? wikiroux @ gmail.com. Thanks. [ roux  ] [ x ] 11:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Hiya.
Fair enough on the outside wiki thing.. I didn't want to collude anything, just wanted to ask a yes/no question. As it happens, the question has been answered by others.

As for the restrictions, it wasn't really about being 'big', it was about just ending the whole stupid situation. Same as at Talk:Commonwealth realm; I agreed to something I don't like and largely disagree with just to save my sanity and get it over with. Oh well. It is what it is, right? Someone else can deal with the behaviour (and yes, I've seen the latest bits of the saga). Hopefully one day I'll be able to return to the articles I love, but until then I'll be doing other things. Thank you very much for the moral support -- it means a lot. [ roux  ] [ x ] 06:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, I have to comment 'cause not 3 hours ago, Soulscanner, I came to your page to send you an email and saw that it was not enabled. My purpose was not to coordinate on-wiki actions, it was more to do a little mini-venting and exchange views in a less structured environment. In particular, when I'm thinking wrongly (which happens often!), I'd much prefer to have someone who I thought would agree tell me that no, I'm actually full of crap. And I also find it valuable to run my dumb ideas past neutral, and also hostile but trustworthy people.


 * Nevertheless, I appreciate your stance - in an ideal world we would conduct every aspect of wiki-business in public view. (And in an ideal world, I wouldn't publicize my stupid notions) You're right though - it's a wiki, it should all be made clear, right here on the wiki. I'll try a little harder to swing back that way... Franamax (talk) 07:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey.. it's possible that you're currently in violation of 3RR at Canada (looks like it from the history, but I didn't look at diffs). If you are, you might want to fix it. [ roux  ] [ x ] 08:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough... I know how easy it is to do too many edits in the moment, and wouldn't want to see you get blocked for it. The note was a courtesy; I'd rather see people self-rv than get a boot to the head, y'know? [ roux  ] [ x ] 09:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi... I understand where you're coming from, but right now you are certainly skirting the line of CANVASS if not already over it. Just a courtesy note. [ roux  ] [ x ] 03:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And your rewrite completely changes what I intended by the restriction. G2 frequently evades and/or ignores direct questions, which is one of the more frustrating behaviours that leads to the circular arguments and endless stalling until everyone else gives up. Requiring him to answer direct questions directly removes that disruptive avenue. If other users start baiting him with it, then sanctions should be pursued against them for doing so. [ roux  ] [ x ] 05:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There are no set of fixed rules to make someone a good editor. --Lawe (talk) 12:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Where was ya?
It's been awhile since you've been in Wiki-land. Welcome back Soulscanner. GoodDay (talk) 14:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Governor General's powers & duties
Just a general summary. You argue that the GG's powers & duties are non-existant, in the sense that the GG can't defy the Prime Minister. Where's G2bambino, argues that the Governor General can defy the Prime Minister? This is concerning your disputes at Canada article. GoodDay (talk) 18:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The events of September 7, 2008 should be noted (somehow) in the Canada article or atleast the Governor General of Canada article. Afterall, the GG upheld the PM's breaching of a Parliamentary Act (the term limits). GoodDay (talk) 21:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if Harper could've fired her. I think he might've had to get the Queen of Canada to do that task. I too was hoping Michelle Jean would've refused dissolution, it would've made things more interesting (drama wise). GoodDay (talk) 21:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, unfortunately the issue is rather esoteric, at least as far as the average reader is concerned, as they will not be familiar at all (based on what information has already been presented thus far in that section) with the constitutional role of the monarchy and its powers in fact (in actuality) versus its powers in law (in theory). It isn't at all cut and dry, especially given the differences in interpretation between Liberal and Conservative governments. Forsey, for instance, basically outlines what the status quo is (which the Conservatives, with few exceptions, generally support), whereas the Liberals, being somewhat republican-oriented, tend to oppose the traditional interpretation.

My suggestion is that these points need to be better explained in a new paragraph within that section, because one or two sentences, in my opinion, aren't completely sufficient to inform the reader. The problem is arriving at a neutral solution that everyone can agree with. I'm fairly new to the discussion, though I've been following silently for a few days, and I have no personal bias in the matter other than that I'd like to see the facts presented in a way that doesn't leave the reader confused. The current wording looks fine, but in time I think it could use some minor bit of expansion. Just my two cents. IranianGuy (talk) 12:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I was in the midst of writing a response including suggestions and so forth and it turned into several paragraphs, so rather than posting it here, I will post it over at Talk:Government of Canada so as not to clutter your talk page and perhaps get responses from others as well. IranianGuy (talk) 16:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've trimmed the sentencing just a bit and altered the CSPS sentence to more closely adhere to the source:
 * Constitutional scholars such as Senator Eugene Forsey have maintained that the sovereign (the Queen) and Governor General do retain their right to use the Royal Prerogative in exceptional constitutional crisis situations, though the Canadian public service has stated that such actions may lack democratic legitimacy amongst the Canadian populace coming from an unelected institution. Liberal governments, for their part, have long adhered to the view that the Governor General does not have the right to refuse dissolution from the prime minister
 * This removes the idea of "Forsey vs democracy" mentioned by another editor, but still, when I think about it, it seems a bit ill-considered to keep the CSPS bit in there unless we fully expand on that to reflect what the CSPS is really talking about, i.e. that the CSPS actually is in total agreement with Forsey in that it should have the ability to exercise its executive power in emergency constitutional situations.
 * The other problem is with the Liberal position. There is a whole history there going back to the King-Byng Affair and the constitutional web becomes even more tangled with all the developments in Liberal politics in recent years. I'm not sure I have the time to find all the relevent sources (it was tedious enough when I had to actually study this stuff), but if you or someone else can, that'd be great. IranianGuy (talk) 16:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

G2/ANI
Hi.. I don't think I need to get involved in this. The diffs speak for themselves, and I am not involved in the dispute. It would just look like hounding if I were to comment. [ roux  ] [ x ] 02:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have commented there. I do not see Canada as being within the 1RR restrictions, except as to any monarchy sections, as I took the restrictions to mean monarchy edits because of G2's tendentious editing in regards to that subject. I do see how one could interpret it that way, though. Clarification would be a good thing. Double Blue  (Talk) 04:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR
You should be aware that there is a 3RR violation report against you here. --G2bambino (talk) 16:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * 3RR discussion. Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  16:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. Per a complaint at WP:AN3. Details of the revert times on request. You made four reverts from the evening of November 6 (UTC) to mid-afternoon on November 7, i.e. within 24 hours. I realize that Canada is a contested article, but please try to obtain more explicit consensus on the Talk page for changes that you know will be controversial. EdJohnston (talk) 15:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment as the blocking admin: Complaints that are as long as this unblock request risk not getting sufficient attention from admins. G2b is under a 1RR restriction in the governmental sections of Canada, which is more severe than your 3RR limit. If both of you work to stay within your respective limits that would be a big help. User:Master of Puppets tried to get a negotiation started in the middle of the 3RR complaint, but his initiative didn't get enough support. It looks to me that you could have had a better outcome at Talk:Canada if you had opened an article WP:RFC rather than to start posting large complaints at admin noticeboards. Then you could (ideally) have come to a nice crisp factual decision on the article, rather than expanding further the various ANI threads and RFC/Us. Revert warring with G2b to remove what you saw as his improper article changes didn't really help matters. EdJohnston (talk) 18:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your commentary. The government section dispute was actually resolved satisfactorily by all editors involved after G2 was blocked. G2 returned, contributed positively to the discussion, and consensus was achieved over several days on the discussion board . The dispute resulted in a brief and well referenced section (probably the best in the article). Enforcing restrictions works, all with minimal admin involvement. --soulscanner (talk) 21:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've not been involved in the latest goings-on, but I will say that right now, the government section is beautiful. It's terse, conveys all the significant facts, is well-referenced. That's the result of extensive and collegial discussion on the talk page and the results are evident. As SS says, no admins were harmed in the making of this section. I suppose we need more of that. Franamax (talk) 08:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, how do you explain the brouhaha on Canada on November 6. Do you think the admins should have enforced some restriction, and they didn't do so? Feel free to explain with reference to the history. As a follow-up, can you say where you believe the discussion on the Talk page failed? In your unblock request, you refer to 'transparency' but I'm not sure you know that a group of consecutive edits by one editor counts as *at most* one revert for 3RR purposes. So you did not expose yourself to any extra sanction by making separate edits. EdJohnston (talk) 06:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Re: consecutive edits: I'm aware of that rule, which is why I thought that my series of edits (with explicit edit summaries) only counted as one edit. It's also why I'm confused as to what exactly my 3RRs+ were. I didn't even know I was getting close. If you could, please point me to the four edits that comprised the 3RR violation. I'd like to make sure that I crossed the line; if so, I'll take my lumps. If there was no violation, I'd like to have have the block annotated as being less than clear cut.
 * Re: enforcement of 1RR rule: Yes, I think that admins should have enforced the 1 RR restriction. I thought I documented it as fairly as possible here. Reverts were embedded in other edits, and difficult to trace. I described the reverts separately in explanatory text below the links to the edits. I thought that the original post counted as a revert: for example, I thought removing a picture twice would be a violation of his 1 RR restrictions. Is this the case?.
 * Re: Talk page problem I: It started not on the talk page, but with an edit:
 * 04:40, 6 November 2008 G2's First edit;no explanations on Talk page; content added and deleted; summarized as "copy edit"
 * 07:37, 6 November 2008 SS's First revert to consensus version
 * 08:48, 6 November 2008Ss's Discussion of first revert; links added to past discussion of consensus; low-grade vandalism/incivility documented and explained
 * G2's threat
 * 12:59 - 19:28, 6 November 2008 G2's eight consecutive edits; content deletion; in response to SS's statement that section is too long; this is editing to make a point
 * 16:30, 7 November 2008 G2 acknowledges that content removal was to make a point
 * 17:08, 7 November 2008 G2 refuses discussion
 * The nature of the original edit guaranteed a poor discussion. Added links, removed pictures, deleted content, etc. ed described as "copyedits" just aren't good faith edits from an experienced editor who knows all the rules. There is a contempt for the work of other editors behind this edit.
 * Re: Talk page problem II: I just noticed this as I checked through the talk page history. I had also posted a link to the 1RR admin report Talk:Canada. It appears that G2 removed this link from the Talk page, which I believe is a blanking violation.
 * 01:26, 7 November 2008 Soulscanner posts link to 1RR violation notice.
 * 16:40, 7 November 2008 Master of puppets posts link to 3RR violation notice (fair enough).
 * 18:02, 7 November 2008 G2bambino removes link to 1RR notice; replaces name of section. I think that is deliberate blanking, with intent (consider the timing) to mislead uninvolved administrators. Not so fair.
 * Please check my block log. My only other block was because G2 plays games like this in 3RR all the time.
 * --soulscanner (talk) 04:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Here are the notes I wrote down two days ago when I was checking the history to see if you were over 3RR. All the times given are UTC. I have not studied these again since then and I don't have more time just now:
 * All these edits by Soulscanner are consecutive: 15:29 to 16:11 on 7 November. One edit summary speaks of restoring a consensus version, so it must be a revert. (If you restore a former version you are reverting).


 * 00:48 and 15:21 are consecutive on 7 November. Both claim to be reverting.


 * 22:16 on 6 November is a revert.


 * All these edits by Soulscanner are consecutive: 21:20, 21:30, 21:43, 21:51, 22:00 on 6 November. The 21:20 is removing a tag placed by G2b so it is a revert.
 * EdJohnston (talk) 05:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

RE:
Hey. To be completely neutral I changed it to this to represent all sides. I'll notify G2Bambino. Also, how do you mean "apply" those civility conditions? Tell you two that you have to abide by them? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :)  09:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think that's what you meant so I'll state it here just for the record;
 * These apply to both of you:
 * 1RR on any and all articles related to Commonwealth monarchies and the Royal Family except for clear policy-defined vandalism.
 * Any additions that are not purely housekeeping must gain consensus from other editors first.
 * Veiled, snide remarks and general incivility are unacceptable.
 * No discussion of past conflicts; stick to the topic at hand and don't go off on a diff-hunting "this is what you said you hypocrite" tangent.
 * Sound good? Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  09:45, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Misses my main concerns, though. Lets add some more, on BOTH of us, just to be more explicit on civility:
 * Edit summary conventions mandatory
 * No altering of the others discussion posts under any circumstances (save profanity and serious threats to life and limb).
 * All conditions strictly applied; no leniency.
 * Enforced by escalating blocks; no leniency.
 * Last two measures are key. They are what got the Politics section done.

--soulscanner (talk) 11:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do I really have to tell you guys the last two are there? I'd feel as if I was talking to children. You guys are mature enough to understand the consequences and not play with fire; unless you want me to explicitly state every single condition here. Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  18:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, G2's latest block was not double his previous block, so I feel that these conditions are often not enforced. I know this sounds like a three year old whining, but I don't know how else to approach this. Maybe I'm not detached enough to make a judgment, or maybe the violations aren't clear-cut enough to make a decision. I've seen this happen time after time, and it seems that letting it go only makes the problem worse. He's back at the discussion page, and refuses to accept what I (and other editors) see as a pretty strong consensus on the page that I've now outlined a third time; it blocks discussion. I'm trying to remain patient, but I know he won't address the issue; he's trying to stall. I'm as frustrated as you by this situation. I won't launch another complaint and clog up administrator boards. I would block him for refusing to accept consensus, but maybe there's something that prevents this. It would be the easiest way to get him to accept consensus. Any recommendations or insights as to why this is not done? I'm not being a smart-ass. I really want to know how this works. --soulscanner (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Nation Status in first paragraphs
Sorry for bringing up something from possibly long past, I don't visit very often, and I recognize your name from last year's debate. Last year we spent months reaching consensus on Nation Statements in opening paragraphs, why/when/how, did they slip to some miscellaneous paragraph all the way down the article, it seems ridiculous and wrong to me... I am very peeved! The article now is presented as some dogooder happy go lucky miscellaneous geographic region of Canada, that is so wrong... When you have a chance, can you catch me up?--4.234.159.119 (talk) 07:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed move of Québécois
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Happy Holidays
Merry Christmas to you. Where've you been lately. GoodDay (talk) 17:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

List of national anthems
Ya 'may' wanna take a look at this & perhaps similiar articles. GoodDay (talk) 17:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

You might also want to look at Countries of the United Kingdom and the Oxford English Dictionary which clearly establish that Wales, Scotland and England are countries. I have amended the section heading accordingly. -- Snowded  TALK  09:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

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