User talk:SouthernNights/Archive 5

Aiyyakkavil
Hi SouthernNights,

Your decision to delete 'Aiyyakkavil' is beyond my comprehension. The 'Aiyyakkavil' family is one of the oldest Christian families in Kerala with over 5000 members. Please advise on how to recretate the same.

Trigger Happy
Dear Administrator: I, like you, am an editor; I create articles and make edits. But, many, I am sure many other people out there, are tired, frustrated and angry with the behavior of many Administrators. I am certain that it is appallingly easy to revert and article, that someone has undoubtedly spent allot of time and effort writing. I have, in the past spent hours, researching, planning, writing, checking and revising an addition to an article only to have the whole lot deleted forever three minutes afterwards.

I know that deletion of material is essential in a free-to-edit encyclopedia, but if you see an article that someone has anonymously devoted their time to writing, why could you not revise it, change it or give a reason for you action? They deserve one.

I know all Administrators are not all Drunk-With- Power-Trigger-Happy-Nazis, many of you do an excellent job and you know who you are. The world owes you. I owe You.

In closing: Create, don’t Destroy. Make a distinction between “what is right, and what is easy”. Be enriched and enrich others with the knowledge of other people.

And keep that finger off the trigger.

Dfrg.msc 01:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Tourettes Guy
I seriously disagree with your decision to delete the Tourettes Guy page. It is clearly a presence on the web and should continue to exist on Wikipedia. Could you please let me know why you feel it should be deleted. Thanks. Alabama Man 00:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted because of Articles for deletion/Tourette's Guy. Recreating an article that has gone through a Articles for deletion vote means the recreated article will be speedy deleted. Best, --SouthernNights 00:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, I like your user name. Am I to assume the name is a play off my user name?--SouthernNights 00:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Why was the article deleted the first time and how do I change that? And No, my name has nothing to do with you.Alabama Man 02:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sudanese literature
Hi, I just checked your page and I saw you were interested in Literature, I recently created a stub for Sudanese literature, but have kind of run out of sources. I don't suppose you know of any, a google search and my usual journal searches (viz. JSTOR, EBSCO, Google Scholar) seem to bring up very little. Appreciate anything at all. Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 14:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow, thanks :) I don't know how I could have missed that Guardian article... - FrancisTyers 23:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Success?
''I've reviewed the article. And I'm fine with it in it's current state.''

See the talk page. - FrancisTyers 17:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Good job
I was in the process of expressing my "opinion". When I clicked the "save" button, a "Conflict of Edit" appeared. To my pleasent surprise, the debate has been settled. I believe that you did an excellent job. You handled yourself and the situation like a pro. My hat 's (If I had one} off to you.  Thank you for counting on me, you know that if I can ever be of any help, I'll always be there.   Tony the Marine 18:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Robert Schoenhof Weil
Just pointing this out for when you return, the anonymous has created an account, User:Verdad. Have a good break! - FrancisTyers 19:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

'''Thought this might be productive to show you. It's a day late and a dollar short, as they say. I found it researching RSW's wife! http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060508/NEWS/60217003/1007/NEWS01&theme=CITIZEN%20OF%20THE%20YEAR

I particularly wanted to point out the passages:'''

"I'm happy to be a part of the committee that recommended them," says longtime civil rights activist Johnnie Carr, one of the independent members of the community who selected the honorees."

--

"The proliferation of good private schools is fine. It's great," Bucks says, "But I think there has been a deterioration in the quality of education in the public schools. There's been so much building up of the private school system.

"Our public school system has to be improved, I think. I don't know whether Bobby agrees. It is extremely important that there be better education for blacks and whites, because if we go along and they are not educated, we cannot support industry. And there will not be a better Montgomery 10 years from now. You agree with that, Bobby?"

"Absolutely," Bobby replies.

"About five years ago Bobby served on a long-range planning committee of the Montgomery Area United Way that recommended changes in the city's public schools. The effort failed when the Montgomery County Board of Education couldn't agree enough to adopt the recommendations.

The brothers themselves are well educated.

Bucks attended Barnes, an old Montgomery private school, then Culver Military Academy, Dartmouth College and Harvard Law School.

Skipping two grades along the way, Bobby attended public schools in Montgomery, including Bellinger Hill School and Sidney Lanier High School. He spent his senior year at Culver Military Academy, then went to Dartmouth, followed by Harvard Business School.

--

Verdad 19:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * For the record, I never said anything negative about Weil. In fact, during the discussion I stated that Weil "seems like an amazing person." During my research I read this very article and that is one of the reasons I made that statement. However, the article doesn't change historical fact that MA was started as a seg academy. One did not have to be a racist to found a segregation academy. You seem to think that anyone who supported the founding of a segregated school must be a racist or a horible person. That is not the case. By your reasoning anyone who ever voted for George Wallace, or even lived in Alabama during that time period, must have been a racist, which is totally wrong. Anyway, I'm not going to reopen debate on any of this. What I will do, though, is strongly suggest you keep reading up on Wikipedia policies. Your new articles apeshit and brownnoser are definitions, which are not allowed on Wikipedia (see Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary), while your article 2002 midterm Congressional elections already exists at United States House election, 2002. Best, --SouthernNights 19:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, :) What happened to your Wikibreak? Do we have an addict on our hands. I guess we will always disagree. And we shouldn't debate this. It's only destructive. To me, starting a seg school is supporting segregation, which is racist behavior. One (or two) could go on ad nauseum about that. I'm sure there are plenty of people who see things your way as well. It concerns me though, that those with my frame of thought (or similar) would see Weil as a racist, when clearly he is not.

Apeshit and brownnoser are definitions and probably should go to Wiktionary. I have no idea how to move them. For the time being, a lot of editors are comfortable with lots of definitions on wikipedia, calling them vocabulary stubs.

The House election is different from a midterm election. Verdad 20:42, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

RfA

 * I sincerely thank you for the proto-nomination, but I don't have much interest in the responsibilities of administration. I've got plenty to do with building and maintaining my own wiki project. So maybe I should ask if you have any interest in contributing to the BhamWiki. It's invite only for now, but I'd be glad to set you up with an account if you're interested. --Dystopos 15:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof 1.2 Now Available
 After a lenghty, but much-needed Wikibreak, I'm happy to announce that version 1.2 of VandalProof is now available for download! Beyond fixing some of the most obnoxious bugs, like the persistent crash on start-up that many have experienced, version 1.2 also offers a wide variety of new features, including a stub-sorter, a global user whitelist and blacklist, navigational controls, and greater customization. You can find a full list of the new features here. While I believe this release to be a significant improvement over the last, it's nonetheless nowhere near the end of the line for VandalProof. Thanks to Rob Church, I now have an account on test.wikipedia.org with SysOp rights and have already been hard at work incorporating administrative tools into VandalProof, which I plan to make available in the near future. An example of one such SysOp tool that I'm working on incorporating is my simple history merge tool, which simplifies the process of performing history merges from one article into another. Anyway, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to download and install version 1.2 and take it out for a test-drive. As always, your suggestions for improvement are always appreciated, and I hope that you will find this new version useful. Happy editing! --AmiDaniel (talk) 02:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

An apology
Sorry, if in the heat of the debate, I gave in to the urge to personalize the discussion and criticized your motives and your intent. As I just mentioned in the discussion page, I think it is a mistake. We are bound to disagree, let's just stick to getting the facts straight and let the other stuff evaporate. Cheers, Haiduc 02:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Best, --SouthernNights 12:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Your VandalProof problem
See User talk:AmiDaniel/VP/Discuss

Prodego talk  18:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * And again :-) Prodego  talk  19:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, glad I could help. Prodego  talk  19:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you have cookies enabled in IE? Prodego  talk  19:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the cookies were the first thing I checked. IE is set to accept all cookies. I'm using IE 6.0 and the security is set to medium.--SouthernNights 19:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, then this is probably the newer bug. Do you have admin rights on your computer? I assume know how to check due to your prompt answer above, but if you don't, I can explain how. Prodego  talk  19:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I don't have admin rights on this computer. If this causes a problem I can download the files to another computer where I do have those rights, but I'd prefer to use my current computer. --SouthernNights 19:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the problem. For some unknown reason, using VandalProof requires you to have admin rights on the computer you use it on. AmiDaniel is looking into why this is, to try to fix it, but right now you need to have an admin account [on your computer] for it to work. Prodego  talk  19:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nuts. Thanks for letting me know, though. I'll just download it onto my other computer (which, unfortunately, has a much slower dial-up connection). The weird thing is that the .exe gave me the option of setting up the program to run without being an admin. Many thanks. --SouthernNights 19:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

SarahTeach is back
I saw that you had a run in with User:SarahTeach a few months ago. She is back and as uncivil this time as last. Her comments on the Talk page for the Plagarism article and my own Talk page are very similar to the comments for which you addressed her behavior in January. Would you be willing to again help address this user's conduct so that we can file a user-conduct RFC if necessary? I would hope that would not be necessary but given her history I am not very hopeful. :( I am also contacting User:Rhobite as he has also had discussions with SarahTeach in the recent past.

Of course, I am open to any other suggestions or advice you may have! --ElKevbo 04:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I am the one who is "uncivil?" By "uncivil," do you mean that I am in disagreeemnt with you, and you can't legitimately refute me?  I understand that you may be frustrated because you are unable to justify your allegations, but I was perfectly civil until YOU started insulting me by way of harshly criticizing the site that I was suggesting. (SouthernNights, I will be more than happy to show you exactly how and where ElKevbo started the insults.)  When someone tells you "Hey, I like this site," and then you say, "It's just a poor website," and then you continue to purposely insult it, you and I both know that that is a backhanded insult to the person in support of the site. I can read between the lines, and so can everyone else reading the posts. And why is the onus on me?  Civility goes BOTH ways. SouthernNights, I don't think ElKevbo would be very happy if I were to publicly insult the sites that he has supported.
 * Again, if you are going to publicly crucify me, please provide proof of exactly where EssayFraud.org advertises or supports any particular Web site. Do you think it's acceptable to make that allegation and then NOT show proof?
 * On a side note, I support FREE SPEECH. Don't you? I believe that legit businesses have every right to provide RESEARCH MATERIAL for proper reference. What they do NOT have the right to do is lie, cheat, and steal. SarahTeach 01:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Your lack of evidence to support your baselass accusations is no surprise. Apparently, you believe in "guilty until proven innocent." And you wonder why I am "uncivil?" SarahTeach 17:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

University of Georgia Press
AB, while I will concede your point about re-adding the Brad Vice info to the Flannery O'Connor Award for Short Fiction, adding that same info to the University of Georgia Press page seems redundant. I also think that info is much less relevant on the UGA press entry since the award is a only a piece of what the Press does and since the award has its own entry. Thoughts? --Roswell native 15:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I hate to disagree but the UofGa Press was criticized by a number of commentators for their decision to revoke the award so I think it should be in their article. That said, the UofGa Press article could easily be expanded to include more info about their history and such. Doing that would lessen the amount of space taken up by the Vice issue (which is only two sentences at the moment). Do you have info to expand the article? Best, --SouthernNights 16:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Kyrre sucks
Kyrre sucks recreation of Kyrre? same editor. - CobaltBlueTony 19:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Appears to be. Looks like someone else already deleted the page.--SouthernNights 22:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

BOT - Regarding your recent protection of Aiyyakkavil:
You recently protected this page but did not put in a protection summary. If this is an actual (not deleted) article, article talk, or project page, make sure that it is listed on WP:PP. Please be sure to use protection summaries when you protect pages. Do not remove this notice until a day or so, otherwise it may get reposted. Thanks. VoABot 21:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a deleted article being protected against recreation. For the record, I accidently hit the protect button before I could enter the summary.--SouthernNights 22:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You do know that you are talking to a bot, yes ? :D...anyway, I've noted the above. These messages are mainly to serve as a little reminder, not a demand for an explanation. Thanks. Voice -of- All Talk 22:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm quite aware of that. I just wanted to state "for the record" what had happened so people wouldn't think I'd protected some article without a good reason. Best, --SouthernNights 23:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof
I replied to your question. Prodego talk  00:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
, thank you for participating in my RfA. It passed with an amazingly unopposed 77/0/1. Thanks for the support everybody! If you see me doing anything wrong, want to ask me something, or just want to yell in my general direction, leave me a note on my talk page. I promise to try and knock out Wikipedia's problems wherever I may find them!

Staxringold talkcontribs 21:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
I'd like to thank you for being so nice to me as my first like minute of being a wikipedian.

Smartsourcing
Seems to me to be a straight advert for a consulting company - heck, even created by SmartsourcingNow! Googling for some of the text just brings up a whitepaper from a consulting (?) company, so I would have thought that it's purely advertising - a case for WP:AFD, I would have thought. However, you told the user on his talkpage not to user copyrighted text (ie. from that whitepaper?), so I assume that you thought the article itself was worth keeping? Before nominating it, anyway, I wanted to check with you. fel64 15:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Heck no, the article isn't worth keeping. But since it was a blatent copyvio, I could speedy delete it without messing with a vote for deletion or anything else. If the article is recreated with non-copyvio text, then I will bring it up for a vote for deletion. In my experience, though, most of the time editors who create articles like this will not attempt to recreate with non copyrighted text. That's why I like hunting down copyvios so much. Not only are you catching articles that put Wikipedia at legal risk but you also have a good chance of removing junk from the encyclopedia. Best, --SouthernNights 15:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for explaining :D fel64 15:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice catch on the copyvio. I find a bunch of these by going through WP:DEP.  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 15:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

help needed
Can you take a look at RunescapeCommunity and put the article out of its misery? --cholmes75 (chit chat) 15:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've protected the article from recreation. Best, --SouthernNights 16:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Gracias! --cholmes75 (chit chat) 16:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Courtney Mascola
Hi Courtney Mascola is a real musician and I really dont appreciate it that you deleted it. She is my friend and I know her and she is in the recording studio with a local record label Zcore.
 * I'm sure she is a nice person. However, she doesn't meet the level of notability for inclusion at Wikipedia. For example, there are zero hits on Google for her name. Best, --SouthernNights 20:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Help Me.
What shoud I do? Should I re-create the different name and/or some story I'm gonna do.? The Anthroness 21:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand that you are really interested in your stories and art and I wish you all the best with them. However, Wikipedia is not intended as a place to host information such as this. Work on your stories and art on your personal website. Promote the heck out of them there. If the stories and art on your website become well known, then I'm certain one of your fans will create an article about them here. However, until they become notable (and for more on this, see Notability) they don't belong in an encyclopedia. Best, --SouthernNights 22:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Ann Coulter
THANK YOU! *bows down before the sprotector* :P  That was maddeningly frustrating. I've never seen a shitstorm of vandalism like that since I came here. Kasreyn 00:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I'd already reverted vandalism twice in ten minutes so an sp seemed appropriate.--SouthernNights 00:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

drinkstag
Hi SouthernNights,

re my wiki-posting yesterday where I copied and pasted from the website http://www.drinkstag.5u.com/ on the subject of Drinkstag I realise I broke the copyright rules.

I am however the owner of the site and if you go to http://www.drinkstag.5u.com/ and just above the picture (of a very handsome devil I might add) you will see a CONTACT US.

If you click this my email address gary.harandoyle@bigfoot.com pops up.

I can then email back to confirm all is OK.

Will you be able to re-post my offering or is it deleted forever now?

Regards,

Gary

Thanks for your questions about the Drinkstag article. In order to repost the article you will need to release it under the GFDL. Info on how to do this is at the top of my talk page. That said, the article does not appear to rise to the level of notability for inclusion in Wikipedia (for more on this, see Notability). You are, of course, welcome to go throught he process to have the text reposted. I just want to warn you that odds are once the article is back in existence it will be nominated for deletion and deleted as not notable. Just wanted you to know this. But if you want to give it a shot anyway, follow the directions in the green box at the top of my talk page. Best, --SouthernNights 13:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Perihan Magden
Thank you for your generous compliment yesterday. Particularly as this was the first time that I had started or made any significant contribution to an article, I found your comment very encouraging. Your subsequent editing of the article also gave me some very useful pointers on format and style. Sláinte,

--Gordon Finn 13:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Undo, yes
I had a comparative thought: when VfD was changed to AfD the old templates remained. Easier on people new to the change and doesn't create bad links. I think you should undo. We can settle these issues as time moves on (maybe fixing the double re-directs before deleting). Cheers, and thanks for trying out the new process! Marskell 15:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just did it. Best, --SouthernNights 15:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You might delete Featured article removal candidates/Space Race as I copied everything to the new one. Marskell 15:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. In the end everything appears to have worked out. Let's call this the BETA test of the FAR system :-)--SouthernNights 15:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

References in hinduism
Hello, I wanted to explain further my problem with the references in the Hinduism article. I know you don't think that references is a problem but I do not think that you have spent the time to go through the references. Almost every statement, that might require a reference, is supported by referencing a website that would not be accepted even in a first year college level writing class. My main problem is that despite this problem being raised during the previous farc and in the talk page, none of the editors have been able to invest the time in getting quality references. Even currently, the citation needed tags are being replaced by low quality references. For example, "The Ṛgvedic deity Dyaus, regarded as the father of the other deities, is linguistically cognate with Zeus—the king of the gods in Greek mythology, Jovius (gen. of Jupiter)—the king of the gods in Roman mythology, and Ziu in Germanic mythology." is supported by this link. This really cements my main problem with the article - citations are provided just for the looks with a very small thought towards the quality of the reference. This is not a FA quality article and I do not believe any of the good editors are going to be motivated to work on the article as long as it is FA. If even one person that has a good track record of editing article steps up, I will withdraw my nomination immediately. I would personally work on it myself but I am not a religious expert and even though I spent over 100 hours last time reading articles and such - I mostly ended up offending one side or another and everything was mostly reverted. I cant spend that much time again. --Blacksun 17:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I will be commenting about this on the article's FARC page. Many thanks for pointing this out. --SouthernNights 18:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Spaingy block
Thanks. Actually he reminds me of another vandal. I can't remember which though, off hand. --F a ng Aili talk 19:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

thank you

 * Suggestion - how about a title like "Fallen Wikipedians"? "Deceased" sounds a bit crude.


 * It was no sweat, because the very idea had occured to me a couple of months ago. I had no idea, however, of how to ascertain a person's death or if it would be "acceptable" at all to do this. However, I feel that it is important for the community to preserve the memory of users who have made a difference for a long time to come, even as their edits will probably will over-written in a short time. Being a Wikipedian is being a student of millions, and a teacher to millions. It is a great activity for which we receive no reward except a personal satisfaction.


 * That you found a way to do this is a magnificent contribution from you, because it reflects the sense of brotherhood and mutual respect that should connect Wikipedians. I'm sure the families of the fallen contributors of knowledge are touched and proud to see this dignified, respectful dedication.


 * On a slightly witty note - how about a slogan like "Wikipedians never die....they just get reverted"?? Cheers, Rama&#39;s Arrow 01:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually it is the Upholder of the Wiki award. BUT I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST TO YOU (YOU STEAL MY IDEAS DUDE!!!) that we should create an Immortal Star barnstar. Rama&#39;s Arrow 01:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope, but I think you should visit the Barnstars proposals page and ask one of the guys there to help out. I'm sure this idea will receive broad, active support. Some people I know who do some graphics designing include user:Nichalp, user:Deeptrivia, user:Deepak gupta and user:Miljoshi (currently on break). Consider asking them - I don't think I can be of much help right now coz I'm basically on break - just a few happy free moments today. Rama&#39;s Arrow 01:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No thank you - you've not only done something magnificent and touching, but you've also found a future e-home for me and you....Hehehehehe.... I'm booking my plot now! Rama&#39;s Arrow 01:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

David91
I don't know what happened to him, sorry. Kudos to you for trying to find out. --F a ng Aili talk 13:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I have the same lack of information. The only other possible information is that he was added to the Wikibreak section of the Esperanza Alerts by User:Westfall on April 24th.  Good luck. -- Nataly a  14:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I too have wondered about David91. I always assumed the 91 in his user name meant his age, so when he said on his talk page that he was being admitted to a hospital for "more tests", would be away for "some days", and then never edited again, I feared for the worst. I wish I could provide you with some information about him or contact information for his family, but I only know him from Wikipedia. Based solely on our interactions on Wikipedia, I consider David91 a friend, and a damn fine human being. I'm glad I made a few newbie mistakes when I first started editing so that I got to know him. RockinRob Talk 23:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to offer a cash reward for information about what has become of David91, but I'm not sure if it is allowed, or where to offer it. If I knew who his family were, I would send them a card or fruit basket. RockinRob Talk 14:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I wish you the very best of luck in trying to find out. Please let me know if you hear any news. Tír Eoghain abú 18:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, can you show me the edit(s) in which he indicated that he was 91? I'm just trying to calculate whether he would be 93, 94, or 95 now. 01:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Check here. User David91 from Singapore on that site says in 2003 "91 is my age, not my IQ". RockinRob Talk 02:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Apart from the link to gnutellaforums above, I didn't find too much. I found david91, joined Feb 2005, on SF Site which I'm reasonably certain is him (he signs some of his posts "Age now exceeding IQ"). He doesn't provide an e-mail address in his profile though. Here's a google search of his posts. The user called "admin" there has had some discussions with him, though David seems to have quit the forum in July 2005. Maybe you could e-mail the admin there? As an admin he would probably have david91's e-mail address too, and might be able to at least e-mail him for you. It might be different than his e-mail on Wikipedia (if he even has it turned on here, I can't tell as an anon).

Another reference to david91 is on P2P-Zone. Here's david91's profile there. No e-mail address there either. He describes himself as "a retired old guy" and living in Singapore. This is also really old reference though (he joined 2003, last post in 2004), the website has even switched domains (from p2pzone.rouben.net to www.p2p-zone.com) since then.

I somewhat remember finding another site that I apparently didn't write down while doing my previous search, I'll let you know if I find anything else.

(When looking around, note that there is also a 15 year-old david91 from the UK interested in sci-fi). 24.36.243.50 08:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Slipknot222
I fear Slipknot222 may have passed away. He noted that he had a heart condition and he was going away for a while. See bolded message on his user page. But his final post worries me because he said he was going to be on Wikipedia during the weekend and hasn't posted since, and that was on April 1, 2006. — The King   of Kings  21:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Jay Robert Nash
Yeah, I stumbled across the page while watching RC, and whooboy is it a mess. o.o I'm trying to figure out exactly all that's happened, it's difficult to get my head around it. For now, I just plan on taking a stab at editing some POV out of the article, but given its history, that may be tough. Anyway, good luck. =3 Luna Santin 04:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're still interested in the article, I've made a proposed rewrite at Jay Robert Nash/temp, with a few more details at the original article's talk page. Maybe I'm being fuddy duddy, but I'm at least hoping that doing it this way will make it abundantly clear who, if anyone, plans to use obstructionist tactics. Anyway, thanks for your time, if you have any input, I'm more than happy to listen. Luna Santin 09:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Aww, thanks. =) I wouldn't have been able to pull any of that off, if not for your prior work and research. It's always easy enough to redraft just about anything, in my eyes the original creation is usually some of the hardest work. I haven't looked at the talk page, today, but so far I've mostly noticed that holy crap he is long-winded, heh. Right, well, thanks, I'll look forward to seeing you around. Luna Santin 04:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeesh. For somebody who complains our obsession with the Exchange article, she sure writes a lot about it. I felt like I couldn't quite grasp what Root wanted, but with her I'm completely at a loss for understanding because a lot of her statements and desires seem to conflict (unless I'm misunderstanding). To be honest, I've never been to arbitration, but if that's what we have to do, then I guess that's what we have to do. Luna Santin 07:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. The stone's in the water, let's see where the ripples go -- is there anything you need me to do about this, at this point, other than just signing section to agree to moderation? I think I'm starting to get a better understanding of her points, not quite sure how to resolve it all, just yet. Luna Santin 17:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Responded to JRN talk page, per request. Definitely an idea to consider, it hadn't even occurred to me -- I think inside the box, I guess, heh. Luna Santin 17:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

A request
Hello SouthernNights,

I have a request. Could you please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dhimmi#Some_evidences_that_the_article_is_still_disputed

The question is whether "Jewish Encyclopedia" could be cited in wikipedia (Pecher argues that it is outdated). Your input is appreciated.

Thanks,--Aminz 09:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

International Peace Operations Association deleted
SouthernNights,

With all due respect, I disagree with your decision to delete International Peace Operations Association.

As far as I can understand, there were two reasons for the deletion: 1. Copyright violation of the IPOA Web site. Given that I, as Director of Programs and Operations of IPOA, am a senior officer of the organization and effectively own the copyright on behalf of IPOA, this is a moot point. 2. The article appears to be an advertisement. Fine. Then let the wiki community edit it. Given the content that WAS there detailed who we are, what we do, our history and our member companies, I'm not sure what is biased about stating those facts. Even our detractors do not disagree over who we are or what we do or who our paid members are.

IPOA is an important organization that represents the private peace operations and logistics industry worldwide. Our membership is worth billions of dollars and we are called upon to speak for the industry to the media and the governments of the world - in the past month, IPOA has testified before the US Congress and South African parliament.

Therefore, I respectfully ask that you reconsider your decision to delete.

Sincerely, J. J. Messner Director of Programs and Operations IPOA


 * Since the article was deleted for a copyright violation but your organization wrote the material, then there are several ways that you can make sure it does not get deleted again. For example, you could put a notice on your main web site that says that you release the material under the GFDL, so it can be used here without infringing on anybody's copyright. Or you can use an email address associated with the website to file a confirmation of your release of the material under the GFDL with our permissions department at "permissions at wikimedia dot org". You can look at Confirmation of permission for some more instructions. Hope this helps. --SouthernNights 20:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee in regard to the article Jay Robert Nash. Mediation Committee procedure requires that all parties to a mediation be notified of the mediation, and indicate an agreement to mediate within fourteen days. Please review the request at Requests_for_mediation, and indicate your agreement or refusal to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Mediation or contact a member of the Mediation Committee.

Barnstar of Diligence
Note: Moved image to SouthernNights's user page.

Please help on William Shakespeare
Posted by PruneauT 00:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the AID maintenance team.

A personal apology
I regret characterizing your edit as a PA. BenBurch 19:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocked user back.
The University of Kent paedophilia guy who you blocked is back again here. AndyJones 20:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Help! "Grito de Lares"
We now have somebody who wishes to change the name of The Grito de Lares to Lares Outcry. Please express your opinion here: Talk:Grito de Lares (The Cry of Lares). Thank you. Tony the Marine 00:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Skull and bones copyvios
You might have noticed, after deeper digging, that I split the parent out so the children could address copyvio problems. :-) Ronabop 10:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Knights of Columbus
Hi! Thanks for your comments on the Knights of Columbus FAC page! I hand't even considered the blackball system when someone else raised the need for a criticism section. Its now been added, I hope you will consider removing your opposing vote. Thanks again! --Briancua 02:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

John Baker, PhD (abd)
Hello, respected Shakespeare editor. Please keep an eye on John Baker's edits if possible; he's an eccentric Marlovian theorist who fills Elizabethan pages with contentious and badly-formatted material. I'm Wikiholiday and won't be able to keep up with him... The Singing Badger 09:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Harry Potter
Hi, I noticed your object to the Harry Potter FAC. I'm fairly new to the process and I was curious as to why a summation of each seperate book was absolutely necessary and if it were provided would you withdraw your object?TonyJoe 02:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Space Race
Don't know if you noticed, but I moved Space Race from the review to the FARC period. Maybe you want to have another look at it and make a "votish looking comment that is not a vote" on the review page. It's at the bottom of WP:FAR. Marskell 10:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Original research
Please stop turning Original research into a cross-namespace redirect, it looks like we can actually write a real article on it based on sources such as this. Allowing a cross-namespace redirect to squat on encyclopedic content is criminal. -- Cyde↔Weys 13:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please stop wheel-warring: you should know that the place to disuss deletions is Deletion review. Physchim62 (talk) 14:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Alexander Haig, the admin
Yeah, there has been far too much unilateralism. I don't like bots making edits, in the first place, but then I loathe people deciding (usually on IRC) that X is bad and then bombing the whole Wikipedia with their changes. You know how we can tell this decision was reached without deliberation? The solution being enforced by Cyde and others is simply to delete, devil take the hindmost, without any concern for what's left afterward. If there were deliberation, there would be a very un-bot-like answer: delete, if there is a ruling, but then fix the mess you make. A bot can't do that, and the people who employ them won't.  This is very bad form. Geogre 15:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:
Hi, Please do not copy/paste stuff that is already avilable in the discussion. Matthew  Fenton ( contribs ) 17:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I left a response on your talk page. In short, that was a warning that if you revert that template again it will be vandalism.--SouthernNights 17:51, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Very well. Strange that everyone that wanted that image also used it, it could be that admins are trying to prove a point that they are above rules as per WP:POINT (See how anything can be made a point?)? Matthew  Fenton ( contribs ) 17:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont intend to persue the matter any further, and yes you are right and i am going to let this go . Thanks, Matthew. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 18:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

SouthernNights, I need your help with MatthewFenton
Matthew Fenton, the same guy that claims to be an administrator is also a control freak. He is not letting me add a link to the MessUnit (http://messunit.com) unnoficcial Windows Live Messenger blog to the Windows Live Messenger page, he claims that im "link spamming" but it's only one site and its much more relevant than several of the other external links, I asked that if he was going to remove my link he should atleast be consistent and remove the link to the Hypothetic MSN Protocol site, because I know for a fact that that site only covers the much older MSN Messenger protocols and hasn't been updated for about 2 years!!! There are also links to several other unofficial sites like Mess.be and MSNPiki - both of which are sites for MSN Messenger and not Windows Live Messenger. This is clearly a case of favoritism. He is enforcing rules that don't exist, and if they do exist hes only enforcing them on the sites he dosn't like.

I am new to Wikipedia and I would appreciate your help. O-B-Trice

Thanks for unblocking me
I don't intend to make any more changes to pictures, but do consider jkelly's actions rash. Thanks for your help.Michael Dorosh 19:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem.--SouthernNights 19:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi - as you are online, would you please check this out: Thanks, This Fire Burns.....Always   19:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. However, I'm worried about the larger activities this user has perpetrated over several days. I'm afraid he's just waiting out his 24-hr block. Can we not take some firmer action? This Fire Burns.....Always   19:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes you are right. Thanks for your help! This Fire Burns.....Always   20:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Another deceased French Wikipedian...
See this - I don't understand French, but when I translated that page with Google, I believe it says that Xulin died in a hang glider takeoff accident on 2006-04-16. I would like to add him to WP:DW but I would need someone to help translate more of the info on that page and get more info on his contributions in order to do so. He has an en: account, but he only used it sparingly (mostly for interwikis) and did not create a user page on en:. 19:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm about to leave on vacation but I translated the info and placed Xavier's (Xulin's) notice on WP:DW. I also added a notice about requesting more info on his life (including his full name). While this is sad news, I appreciate you passing it on to me. --SouthernNights 20:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for intervention on Iqbal article
Hi, there has been an unnecessary conflict on language in the Iqbal article. Since you're interested in bias issues within Wikipedia, and since you seem to not have any connection to the subcontinent (is that true?), I request that you intervene and hear the legitimate concerns voiced by myself and others.

First off, Iqbal is being called an Indian when he was clearly not one since he was the one who advocated a separate homeland for Muslims in the first place. To put this in context, it is similar to calling someone who fought in the American Revolutionary War against Britain but died a British person. Theoretically, wasn't George Washington British, since he was born as a British subject? Yet it would seem extremely strange if someone called him a Great British leader even though in some sense it would be technically correct. I proposed that he should not be referred to as Indian or Pakistani but we should just mention that he is from the Indian subcontinent. Users like Rama's Arrow say that that word does not mean anything, however, it is an extremely common word used in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Wikipedia has an article on it and the term returns 11 million hits on google. The Centers for Disease Control also uses that term (the second hit on google)...I'm sure they don't have an anti-India bias :-).

Second, this statement is troubling to me and it seems to incite unnecessary hatred of an extremely peaceful poet:
 * 'Iqbal's notion of a natural Muslim nation and of Islam as a political, unifying identity was inherently flawed and fanciful'

I first proposed that this statement be taken out since it's basically a useless attack on a religion and has nothing to do with Iqbal. My gripe with this statement is:
 * just because Pakistan has internal problems does not mean that it is the fault of Islam or the idea proposed by Iqbal.
 * Some might say that Iqbal proposed separation as a more peaceful solution yet it lead to violence. However, is that level of violence MORE than the level of violence between different religions WITHIN India (a country with more Muslims than Pakistan)?  Absolutely not.
 * I think that if that statement is not taken out, it should at least be put into context by adding that inter-religious harmony in India is not much better either.

Hope you'll join us and help us reach an accurate, unbiased article. Thanks. --Disinterested 17:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking me to mediate with regards to the Muhammad Iqbal article but I'm on vacation right now and have only limited internet access. As such, I must politely decline. However, if there are any issues I can help with in the future please do contact me. Best, --SouthernNights 19:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I understand that you're taking a break from Wikipedia, but I'd still really like to have your input once you get the time.  Thank you. --Disinterested 17:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, could you recommend another unbiased person like yourself who could possibly aid us in mediating this matter. BTW, I currently live in Birmingham, AL. :-).--Disinterested 06:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The statement is not POV, because it is a critical analysis of Iqbal's views. Its not a commentary on the religious situation in Pakistan or India, and Iqbal's biography is not a place for discussing religious issues in Pakistan or India. Wikipedia is not responsible for protecting people's feelings, and its important to make the criticism as lucid as praise, or else it is not NPOV. This Fire Burns Always   02:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I have argued about this with you long enough and its useless to continue the argument with the same people without having an unbiased person mediate this. Also, I take offense to your policing of my posts and next time please keep your sermons to yourself. --Disinterested 17:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Lee Clary
Hello sir,

I have posted the following to about 20 admins.

To Wikipedia staff,

Hello there, my name is Nick, my username is Potters house and I have encountered a problem with trying to provide any information about Johnny Lee Clary. I have posted this post off to other staff members also. I am not sure if this is the best route to resolve this, but can think of no other way.

The article Johnny Lee Clary has been deleted. I have known Johnny through telephone conversations and email for a short time now (about 3-4 months). He recently came and shared his life story in for our church group for the first time just two weeks ago. Before I met Johnny I became interested in his story i.e. his conversion from the head of the KKK in the US, to being a Christian Minister who now teaches against race hate groups. I found the article Johnny Lee Clary as it still is today, deleted, except for some small talk. If you read the talk you see what I have said at the time (notice I have gotten no reply, probable my fault as I don’t know heaps about WIKI policy). From my understanding Johnny Lee Clary was posting as The KingOfDixie and looks like he tried to change a few things on Wiki concerning the KKK. While this is a controversial subject, Johnny being the former leader of the KKK would probably know a thing or two and be able to contibute, but that’s another story. He eventually made an article about himself i.e. Johnny Lee Clary. Johnny being quite new to Wiki and ignorant of rules of conduct found himself at odds with some admins and had his site deleted.

Whilst observing Johnny over the last 3-4 months I have noticed that he is very outspoken against race hate groups such as the Neo Nazis, Skinheads, KKK etc. This, more often than not, lands Johnny in the hot seat. He has experienced persecution from racist groups for his departure from the KKK and voiced opinions against these racist organizations on his webpage, www.xkkk.org. Johnny has also received multiple death threats.

Because of his bold stance against these racist groups Johnny has become accustomed to hatred directed at him by those same groups. Johnny concluded that perhaps the guy who deleted the page Johnny Lee Clary was a white supremist. I am hoping to clear this up. Before he told me this, I started to create J L Clary, after hearing nothing from posting in user talk on Johnny Lee Clary's article. I wasn't 10 minutes into the J L Clary article when it was issued a deletion notice, and then before I had time to reply (about 5 minutes) it was deleted! I was amazed. I told this to Johnny and he said the main reason he was told that he couldn't have an article was because he was not prominent enough.

Johnny has a very famous testimony and has been on multiple TV shows like Oprah, Donahue, Jerry Springer, etc, and even recently when he preached in our town he made front page news, a double spread on his life, and the local ABC interviewed him live, which is not bad for our town (LISMORE NSW Australia) See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history.

When David Wilkerson came to our town hardly anyone knew or cared, yet David Wilkerson is allowed an article (and rightfully so), but more people know of Johnny. As to whether he is famous or not, just Google search him and see all the TV interviews and radio interviews he does. He hangs with some of the most prominent Christian leaders in Australia. Besides this, just being the former KKK leader should be enough for an article (he doesn't even get a mention in the KKK one, and would be deleted). He was also a Pro Wrestler. So he is prominent in Christian circles, he is prominent amongst race hate groups, and he is also prominent in the WWE wrestling.

Johnny asked me to test the waters for him to see if he was being persecuted by someone from a race hate group. So I created some sites, John Clary Wade Watts and Operation Colorblind - the name of Johnny's Ministry. These have been fine until yesterday. I cannot understand why these sites are just issued a deletion notice? Just because they mention JLC? I was hoping to discuss these things but they are just deleted. The one on Wade Watts is about a black gospel preacher who was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement in the US and was good friends with Martin Luther King. He took Johnny Clary under his wing and even ordained Johnny as a minister (to this day Johnny is the only white man ordained in the All Black Baptist Church). But his article is up for deletion because I mentioned Clary and had a link.

That is why I am writing to you to see if you can help. It seems to me that the person(s) deleting all articles which even mention Johnny Lee Clary has an agenda. I thought that wikipedia admins had to keep a neutral stance on every article. It seems like this guy has a vendetta against JLC. Why delete the Wade Watts article. That is guilt by association and could be proof that all deletions are because of racial discrimination! I hope this is not the case and would think that it is politically motivated, as Johnny is a strong supporter of George Bush and Antaeus Feldspar of Kerry.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush.

My hope is that Johnny will be able to have an article like any other famous person, minister, former KKK leader, or pro wrestler, and that Johnny and anyone connected with him and his ministry will in future have certain rules set in place that do not allow the wholesale deletion of the articles associated with him, but that they will be at least discussed.

I thank you for reading this long winded post. I have only been using WIKI for about a year myself so I need your help, I don't really know what else to do. I hope you can help. I personally think that Johnny's story is one that is beneficial to the cause of reconciliation between races and to the3 unity of society as a whole. It would be a shame if WIKI became known for having covert racists. Of course I hope that this is a misunderstanding and that all will be cleared up soon.

Help!

Nick. Potters house 00:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Here are some links that might help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Watts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheKingOfDixie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Colorblind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Threeafterthree

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Potters_house

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Antaeus_Feldspar

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush. Perhaps the bias is political and not racial?

The link for page: John Clary has already been deleted!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SouthernNights

Please notice that his link was taken from the KKK site the same day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=prev&oldid=65690238

then http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=next&oldid=65690238

Also note his contributions: Featured articles: ·	African American literature -- My first featured article. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback. While I didn't start the article, I obsessed on it for an entire month and wrote most of the copy. ·	Ku Klux Klan -- I began work on this article after it became a featured article. Since then I've mediated several editorial disputes on the article (including one of which kept the article from being delisted as a FA) and made a large number of edits.

I hope we can work this out nick. Potters house 00:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)