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McCarran International Airport
Your add of SkyValue is in the wrong place. I moved it to what is likely to be the correct place before. Simply put that airline is not top billing at the terminals in this airport. Please follow the established and accepted format for listing airlines in airport articles. Vegaswikian 01:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Continental Airlines (MDW)
Continental express does still go to Newark try this sample link: Sample Link Marcusmax 17:32, November 2006 (UTC)

National Airlines
It is best to reply to article talk page discussions on the page. It's easier for those involved in the discussion to participate and keeps everything in one place. Vegaswikian 23:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Chicago Hub?
Hi Sox23,

Yes, Midway is still very much a hub. The airline has significantly decreased size there, but it is still the main operation in the east coast. I've reverted the edit. Thanks for the heads up, I'm happy to help you out with any other questions you have about ATA...! NickBartolotta 02:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Frontier Airlines BWI flights?
Hi, I noticed you marked these flights as scheduled to end on January 7, 2007. I tried and was not able to find any evidence of this. Could you tell me how you found this information? Refs: Denver International Airport, Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport --BetaCentauri 03:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, that's interesting. Frontier makes no mention of this schedule change anywhere on their site.  I always wondered why they wasted time flying to both BWI and DCA anyway.  I guess they figured there was little point in having both flights since both airports serve roughly the same area and most people flying to either were headed to DC anyhow.  --BetaCentauri 22:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

SkyValue FLL
Hey Sox23, saw the signs for SkyValue up at Terminal 3 today, right below American, so I'm assuming it'll be concourse F, but Terminal 3 for sure. -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  03:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

ATA Fleet Table
Please do not change the fleet table. Your table gives information that should be in the fleet area, but not in the table. Please look at all the major airlines and see how they are layed out. This is the most favored layout as well.--Golich17 02:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why would I mind? As long as it is relevant.  If their is important information such as Entry Into Service or if something happened with a certain aircraft, or if they announced some sort of order, that's when it is relevant to be in the table, but outside of the table, that's pretty much anything regarding the fleet, so feel free to insert relevant items, such as some of the information formerly in the table, which was in your version of the table.--Golich17 02:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could upload SOME of the photos and put them aside the fleet table like the Boeing 737-800 already their. Maybe you should add the one of the Boeing 757's.  Even though the photo's are useful, not many people actually take the time to click and go and view the photo, so I suggest you add one or two photos (with copyright information) throughout the page.--Golich17 03:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

ATA Pictures
Well, I do believe if you click Help in the navigation box, and then click copyright tags, they will show all the tags with descriptions on which one to use. Then, choose the one and copy it, paste it in the description box of the image upload page, and then submit the photo. That should do it.--Golich17 03:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The creator of the photos has a strict copyright on the photos. He stated that I can ask permission to use the photo, which I have done for you.  I selected the Boeing 757-300 I believe, and if he gives me permission, I will find the copyright tag and insert it for you.--Golich17 03:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Great!--Golich17 16:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

kidnapped episode list
Just wanted to say thanks for your improvement to my quick summary of the last episode - you may or may not be interested in reading the "discussion" on the talk page about spoilers. I'd be interested in what you think, as you seemed to get that the style of this list seems to be to not reveal everything in the description, which I have kept to, which you kept to, and which another editor is taking issue with, when I tried to get one small thing out of there. Anyway, great series, wasn't it? Hope HBO or SHowtime pick it up which is where it belonged in the first place. Tvoz 21:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Spirit FLL H7
Well, I work at NK Ops and we NEVER use H7, I think we used it once like 4 months ago as an gate because we had to go there and gate control had no choice, the gate is leased by Air Canada and they're the only ones who have rights for it. In fact, we've actually moved aircraft over to Terminal 3 with H7 wide open because they're not allowed to give it out, just like H1,3,5 are leased by Spirit and so only Spirit uses them, and H2 is Air Jamaica Priority. I mean, we can go by what it says on the website, i don't care, but I was just trying to make it more accurate... but if it's gonna be trouble, I really don't care. -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  03:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I don't meant to sound rude, I just noticed I kinda did... I'm never like that, I really just meant it was fine if it stayed that way, sorry... I really never go off on people, and I didn't this time, it just came off all wrong... meanwhile, I noticed Skyvalue was up on the screens in Terminal 3 yesterday, sure it's cancelled? -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  03:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The other day I say them doing a Port of Spain flight, and yesterday I saw an Xtra Airways aircraft on Terminal 4. No, we never use H7 cause of Air Canada... H2 we get because it's an international gate so Air Jamaica can't own it, however JM does use H3 occasionally with our permission, gate control has serious problems with gate spacing especially at T4, I mean one delay can ruin everything and we're often sticking aircraft over on the F gates... I wish they'd finally expand that terminal like they have promised for so long.  Anywho, I say the flight listed on the FIDS, but it might've been their last, and I say Xtra Airways aircaft in Termianl 4 twice, and a Skyvalue Flight (45, I think) to POS it was a charter most likely, also using an Xtra Airways aircraft, so maybe they're just doing charters there until further notice... they are FLL based, and then... they only had 2 people book on the flight because they never advertised down here, and they're flying to an undesirable airport... hence why Ryanair might never work here.  Ok, i'm getting carried away now, it looks like unlikes Vegas and the other destinations on their site, there are no more FLL flights for SkyValue, so I guess it's true. --  SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  04:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, heh, Spirit began selling SJO today, check it out on the website!!! No sign of Caracas, however. --- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  06:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Detroit-Metro
Should we write Detroit-Metro? Detroit City airport only has one air carrier that doesn't even offer commercial service. I believe we should just leave it be. Plus, I live in Detroit.--Golich17 02:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok... I just never hear anyone say, "let's go to city airport"... metro airport is THE airport in Detroit.--Golich17 02:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As a former Detroit area resident, I agree. DTW is the only airport for the vast majority of commercial flights in Metro Detroit.  Accounting for Detroit-City is akin to accounting for Jeffco Airport alongside Denver International Airport.  People in the area either go to DTW, or they go to Bishop International Airport in Flint.  --BetaCentauri 23:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Spirit SJO
You know... it's not announced yet, but SJO is in the works for NK, i even know the schedules for it, but i don't know if it'd be appropriate to list, what do you think? -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  22:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I meant... Aguadilla is fine, that's been announced, I'm saying I know SJO is in the works, because i've seen the schedules for SJO and there's been all the same talk as PAP, CCS, SXM, and now BQN... BQN is good to stay, that one's fine, I'm talking about how SJO is still intercompany and not yet even rumored in the public, would you say it'd be inappropriate for me to add it? -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  22:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I added it before when I revised the starts dates, and some anon came by and removed it, he also removed Boston since it has a stopover in MYR, though I thought we included stopover destinations, he also removed LAS, even though flight 236/231 are FLL-ATL-LAS-ATL-FLL and usually go about a quarter full with LAS pax, i didn't bother reverting because some of it wasn't official... I guess I could add SJO for May 5, but then what if I get in trouble for leaking... GAAA!!!! -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  22:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

... here's what the anon removed, and he also removed "non-stop" from the LAS start date. -- SmthManly  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyTalk  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyContribs  22:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No, February 14 begins a flight that operates as FLL-MYR-BOS, and of course, a BOS-MYR-FLL, most of the connecting traffic in that area is better routed through PVD, but the destination is being marketted as both FLL-MYR, and FLL-BOS. As for SJO, I was handed a new schedule to update the airport FIDS schedules and begin organizing for these new destinations in flight operations, PAP, SXM, LAS, LAX, MYR/BOS, BQN, CCS, and SJO were included, they've announced everything else... i think we just need to file for permission with the costa rican government, but so far so good on the rest of the list I was given... and all of these, including SJO are (well, were) rumors, so far SJO's the only one that still remains an intercompany rumor... I dunno if to add it, hence why i didn't revert the anon.  --  SmthManly  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyTalk  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyContribs  23:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, as soon as we get confirmation I'll add it. Actually, if you notice that AFD, i sorta almost left wikipedia due to it, and am now about to wikibreak because of that shit about the destinations.  See, I made an angry comment on the page, and then, within it i mentioned how we list airlines in airport articles, so then a user suggested we also delete the list of airlines on each airport article for the same reason... so, i called him "crazy to think that would happen" and he put an NPA tag on me for calling him crazy!!!! So... with my life already pretty tense personally, and then having a bunch of people trying to delete pretty much half of what i maintain on wikipedia, and then having some jerk put an NPA tag on me after being here 25 months, sysop over a year on top of all the crap that had already pissed me off on Sunday, I left, but then some people talked me into coming back, but regardless, it seems the vote's going good now.  But yeah, BQN is definately confirmed, one our supervisors who's puerto rican put up for the manager position there and the miami herald reported it... SJO, I think I'll keep off, and I guess BOS can stay off too, but can we at least add "non-stop" to the LAS start date? --  SmthManly  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyTalk  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyContribs  23:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I added SJO some time ago and an anon removed it, then i didn't bother reverting because since the airline hasn't confirmed it... -- SmthManly  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyTalk  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyContribs  05:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see what you mean now... now, that anon wasn't me... maybe someone's reading our convo, or they're in company and also know of it, or spirit finally announced it and we haven't heard. -- SmthManly  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyTalk  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyContribs  05:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, SJO is going to be April 21, it was going to be May 5, but it has been moved forward. -- SmthManly  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyTalk  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyContribs  18:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright infringement?
Hi Sox23,

I was checking in on the Midway Airport article and noticed some new photos (Image:Midway_Airport_Terminal_(Allen_Yao).jpg and Image:Midway Airport Runway 4R (Brett B. Despain).jpg) that were uploaded to Wikipedia by you. They are sorely needed and look great in the article, but I noticed that they came from Airliners.net, which has a very clear copyright policy. You, however, listed these under a Creative Commons Attribution license, which seems incorrect. I'm wondering if you've contacted the photographers of these photos to obtain these licenses. If you haven't, it might be a good idea to do so to prevent these photos from being listed for deletion due to copyright infringement.

Keep up the good work on the Midway article. -- Mindfrieze 00:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick follow-up. I can't say for sure what license those photos should be listed under, but I did a little checking around in response to your question.  If the author gave you permission to use the image only in the article, the license might be invalid.  The author needs to expressly give permission to use the image under one of the open licenses used here on Wikipedia, preferrably the GFDL.  I found some helpful info at Copyrights under the section Using copyrighted work from others.  There were some standard letters, located at Example requests for permission, to request this permission.  Hope this helps.


 * If we've got these guys' permission, though, I'd love to see the high-res version uploaded rather than just the medium-res. -- Mindfrieze 01:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice job on getting those permissions. The license version you picked is probably what I'd put on it.  Another option would be to put the  license on and manually replace the user input with the photographer's name - probably more hassle than it's worth though. ...  Go Bears!   -- Mindfrieze 18:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Miami International Airport
In case you wanted to help bring it up to GA level, Miami International Airport is currently on a Good Article hold pending changes. JEF 03:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Editors that don't provide an edit summary tend to look like vandals
I have noticed you commonly don't enter an edit summary. This causes me problems. When I patrol for vandalism, I use the summary to make a preliminary decision on whether or not the post is a vandal edit or not. If the summary is present (or at least a section header, the part inside the /* */), I commonly decide the edit is legit and move on.

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Hayden/Steamboat
I was actually trying to make the edit to put them together as one. I'm not really sure what happened, but I looked at your edit using popups and it looked like you had separated them. Sorry about that. DB (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Images
It's easier for you to change your preferences to enlarge the tumbnail size. You can put it up to 300px and it's better for dial up users (and there are probably more of them than hispeed users) who then dont have to wait for the images to load. As to there being other pages with larger images, well I reduce them as I find them. Take a look at Montreal with large pictures and then Motreal with the pictures reduced. Some of those images in the "Downtown Montreal" section were 600px in size. Large pages are a problem and while images help wih illustrating articles there is no need to make the page oversized and hard to load. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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AirTran
Why'd you remove its current template? 1ne 23:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But they're taking Midwest to court. 1ne 23:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Midway airport vote
I changed your vote to allow auto numbering and removed the repeat of the name. Hope you don't mind. BTW, I did not vote yet since I'm not sure which of the two I think is better/correct. Vegaswikian 00:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that RfM is 5 days. If there was a single choice it could be cut short.  However there is one editor with a different opinion, so waiting for the 5 days is probably wise.  Vegaswikian 03:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

FLL Abbreviation
My mistake, and my apologies. Thank you for correcting it! Neo16287 14:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Trans American Airlines
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NK Fleet Age
The site you linked for the average fleet age includes the MD80s but those are no longer operated by Spirit and have all been retired, Spirit now only operates A319s and A321s exclusively, perhaps we can get the website to revise its average, or we can do it ourselves based on its information. -- SmthManly  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyTalk  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyContribs  23:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I've changed it now, but I removed the source as it contradicts it, basically you get the fleet age of the A319s which is 1 year now, and the fleet age of the A321s which is 4 years, then there's 8 321s and 20 319s, so 1x20 = 20, and 4x8= 32, add them together and then divide them by the total which is 28, so 52/28 = 1.5 and some change. -- SmthManly  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyTalk  / <sup style="color:blue;">ManlyContribs  00:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Midway airport
If you are fixing all of the redirects to actually change the text in the article, please reconsider. In my opinion, the article text should use the name of the airport as it was when the reference was made. This is especially true for defunct airlines. You can pipe it to the current article leaving the text as it was. Not sure about any guideline here, just my opinion. Vegaswikian 01:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Block for vandalism
What you can do is use one of the vandal notices on the talk page for the anon account from here. Any user can put the templates on the user talk page. If you do that and if the vandal continues, you can post a notice to Administrator intervention against vandalism and let an admin look at it to see if a block can be placed on the IP address. I don't really do blocks, so I don't know much more. Vegaswikian 05:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)