User talk:SpacemanSpiff/Archives/2010/December

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Merger of Marwaris into Rajasthani people.
Discussion is going on at |Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rajasthan for Merger of Marwaris into Rajasthani people. Please participate. -- Onef9day  Talk! 08:30, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

mild religious POV pusher
FYI, 117.193.X.X seems to be a mild religious pov pusher. For the past few weeks he has been editing islam related articles, sanitising them and changing demographic data in India, by splitting up Hindu population into "dharmic"/"SC"/"ST" in Demographics of India and religion in India and edit warring in many other islam related articles. Has created an account - User:O0I1E3S5 as well, but edits logs out.--Sodabottle (talk) 09:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Move req
Can you pls help me move Samoothiri (Zamorin) to its old title Samoothiri (reason:conciseness). A seemingly novice user had moved it perhaps without going through WP naming standards. Thanks  Arjun  codename024 18:16, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That's not the only page that needs moving back, there are quite a lot, if you go through the page move logs by the user, you'll notice that. If you can go through it and give me a list, I'll take care of them all in one go over the weekend or so. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I did successfully re-move all others which i thought deserved to be. Hey, do take a look at Elephants of Kerala state. I don't even get a clue what to do with it.  Arjun  codename024 07:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't have time for this mess currently, will sort it out slowly. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

User at hi.wiki
Hi, I am a sysop from hindi Wiki, A persistent vandaler Dalitwiki has arrived at en wiki with this new account and making some anti hi wiki deeds, .This user was a sock of administrator rajeevmass at hi wiki and CU result confirmed him as a sock of logic.I have desysoped rajeevmass now he is creating a lots of account on hi wiki so i have blocked his ip range. Although he has nothing to do with en wiki project but he is posting some anti hindi wiki images here, please stop him.Thank you and Regards--Mayurbot (talk) 17:14, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless there are some problems at en.wiki, nothing can/should be done here. If there are any problems here let me know, as of now, I don't see any, just a few templates being created. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Thiruvalluvar and Thirukural
Can Tirukkuṛaḷ and Tiruvalluvar be redirected to Thirukural and Thiruvalluvar please? I am assuming that these are noncontroversial moves. If in case they are, please do let me know to initiate a discussion. Cheers --Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 16:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Done the latter, I think the former might require a discussion. I think it's similar to a recent discussion at Pāṇini, use of diacritics is generally driven based on the scholarly sources, so open a TP discussion, if there aren't any objections then we can bypass the move req, else a move req might be in order. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Although I don't think this is a case like in Panini where Google books show higher number of hits with diacritics, I guess a bit of discussion won't hurt. Better sorted than left for a million edit wars. Cheers --Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 19:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Only Praise should go into Wikipedia and no critisism?
Why did you delete the following critisism in personal life page of Ratan Tata?:



When adulation/praise "He is a dynamic and vibrant businessman and is considered as one of the best managers never compromising on ethics and customer care.[10]" stays in?

59.93.200.103 (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You can not give your opinion of some data, quite simple. Please read WP:BLP, and the policy applies all over the encyclopaedia and therefore here too, so I'm removing that part of the post. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 December 2010
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possible copy vio ?
hi not sure how to delete thse images.i think most are possible copy vio ? have a look at this users uploads  Linguistic  Geek  09:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw it a while back, I was going to look for them on the net. Based on the appear to be lift offs from either newspaper sites or the Lok Sabha/TN Assembly portals. If you can't find a source, might as well take it to WP:PUF. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Move Req
Hi, I proposed naming Gujjar to Gurjar via RM.There is no oppose of it.Also one user commented in favor of it.So i request you to move it to the old title Gurjar.Thank you Mkrestin (talk) 13:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mkrestin (talk) 19:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

help in commons
Do you any admin in commons?. Our friend Anwar Saadat is repeatedly one of my uploads there as payback for filing the SPI. He is using an openproxy ip This has been going on for 3 days. I have posted on ANI and AIV there. But no one is responding. --Sodabottle (talk) 08:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I normally just post on their admin noticeboard and someone takes care of it. There are a few admins here who also admin there and should probably be able to help out, but I can't remember of any currently. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I tried approaching an admin personally and he blocked the ip.--Sodabottle (talk) 09:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It became a crosswiki stalking affair and ended in a global block--Sodabottle (talk) 13:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yikes! Didn't realize he was so singularly fixated. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Ambarish Srivastava
माननीय स्पेसमैन स्पिफ्फ(SpacemanSpiff) महोदय, सादर नमस्कार | यह सन्देश मैं आपको हिंदी में इसलिए लिख रहा हूँ क्योंकि आप एक मातृभाषा की तरह 'हिंदी' का ज्ञान रखते हैं ! सर्वप्रथम मैं आपसे यह कहना चाहूँगा कि जाने-अनजाने यदि मुझसे कोई गलती हुई हो कृपया क्षमा करें ! यहाँ पर मैं यह इसलिए भी स्पष्ट रहा हूँ क्योंकि वर्तमान में तत्काल ही आपने इस पेज (Ambarish Srivastava) के 'कविता'(Kavita) सेक्शन से इसका एक बड़ा हिस्सा हटा दिया है तथा साथ ही साथ आर्कीटेक्चरल वर्क्स (Architectural Works)  नाम का पूरा का पूरा सेक्शन भी आप द्वारा हटाया गया है जबकि उपरोक्त  सेक्शन  विकिपीडिया के माननीय प्रबंधक डीजीजी महोदय  व माननीय कर्नाड महोदय द्वारा स्वयं एडिट किये गए थे ! जहाँ तक मैं समझता हूँ कि इस पेज के "कविता" सेक्शन में कविता कोश.ओआरजी (kavitakosh.org), अनुभूति-हिंदी.ओआरजी(Anubhuti-hindi.org), काव्यांचल.काम (kavyancha,com) तथा स्वर्गविभा.टीके(swargvibha.tk) जैसी काव्य जगत की महत्वपूर्ण व मशहूर वेबसाइट्स पर अम्बरीष श्रीवास्तव कविताओं के प्रकाशन व कवि सूची में नाम से सम्बंधित सन्दर्भ व विश्वसनीय प्रमाणों का उल्लेख था जो कि एक कवि के रूप में अम्बरीष श्रीवास्तव की उल्लेखनीयता को  प्रमाणित करने हेतु बल प्रदान कर रहा था तथा आर्कीटेक्चरल वर्क्स सेक्शन में भी वह सभी फोटोग्राफ व कार्य विवरण विकिपीडिया के प्रबंधक माननीय डीजीजी महोदय के सुझाव के अनुसार ही एक आर्कीटेक्चरल इंजीनियर के रूप उल्लेखनीयता को बल देने के लिए  के लिए लगाये गए थे हालाँकि एक बार मैनें यह अवश्य सोंचा कि यदि यह सामग्री हटाने  ही योग्य थी तो आपने इसे उस समय क्यों नहीं हटाया जब काफी समय पूर्व जब यह पेज पुनर्स्थापित (रीस्टोर) किया गया था, फिर भी मैं ऐसा मानता हूँ कि उपरोक्त सामग्री हटाने संबंधी कार्य आने इस पेज की बेहतरी के लिए ही किया होगा क्योंकि आप द्वारा समय-समय पर इस पेज पर जो भी सुधार किये जाते रहे हैं जो इस पेज के हित में ही होंगें इसके लिए कृतज्ञतापूर्वक आपका बहुत-बहुत धन्यवाद व हृदय से आभार! मैं आपसे अत्यंत विनम्र अनुरोध करता हूँ कि यदि आप अम्बरीष श्रीवास्तव को एक कवि के रूप में भी उल्लेखनीय समझते है तो कृपया हिंदी भाषा के कवियों की सूची में इनका नाम सम्मिलित करने की अनुमति दें! जिसके लिए मैं आपका कृतज्ञ रहूँगा!Spjayswal67 (talk) 07:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you can not use photographs of buildings as references for works by the person, we need reliable source references. Likewise, user submitted content sites are not valid references for poetic contributions and linking to every poem on such sites runs afoul of our external links policy. Suggest you read WP:BLP and WP:NPOV. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:22, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Respected Sir Spaceman Spiff, I am grateful for your kind worlds, Humbly I request you that Ambarish Srivastava is also notable as a 'Hindi' language poet so please allow to add his name in the list of hindi language poets at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hindi_language_poets. Thanks a lot.Spjayswal67 (talk) 09:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The thing is you've got to show some reliable sources that qualify him as that, if that's done, I have no objections to inclusion in the list. Just publishing poems doesn't make one a notable poet. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Respected Sir, I think that's done, I have already added a reliable source about his published poetry book named 'Jo sarhad pe jaaye'("जो सरहद पे जाये")in published book section. Thanks again for your kind consideration of my humble request, Once again, I am grateful for that Sir.Spjayswal67 (talk) 10:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't need my (or any other editor's) permission to add anything. Just make sure such sources comply with our reliable source policies when you add. If not, someone will come by and remove, just like I did with the architecture section. Please read WP:BLP and also WP:YFA as the two links will give you an idea about the policies that govern article writing, especially this one. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:25, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks again. Spjayswal67 (talk) 17:25, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Spjayswal67 asked my opinion. It is my view that a bibliography of a poets published works is appropriate content for someone notable as a poet, and that links to the published poems would be very appropriate references to support that. However, the article does not show notability as a poet, that seems merely incidental. The notability is as an architect. It might be possible to add an external link to the sites with his poetry. as for the architecture, there needs to be some reference to the fact that he in fact designed the building, and I do not see how photographs would establish that. But if he did, and you feely-licensed photos, they can be included in the article.   DGG ( talk ) 21:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This is getting rather annoying, I've just explained my reasons above and you haven't disagreed either, and now the same user contributions sites are being used to tag him as a "famous poet". Sigh. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

May I know why my edit was reverted?
May I know why my edit was reverted? www.kamakoti.org link that I added is not spam, and is very appropriate in the Adi Shankara article. Please give your opinion in the Talk:Adi Shankara page. --Hinduismispeace (talk) 09:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * One good link in many bad links is not right, if you wanted to add one good link you should have done that. And while that link itself isn't bad, it runs afoul of our WP:EL policy as you don't externally link to all peripheral topics. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Tamil lang
SpacemanSpiff, Prathiba patil, the President of India. She is the first lady of india. Before preparing speech her ministry would have detailed the information fully before presenting it. SpacemanSpiff you cannot deny this. Think twice. Common. Get others opinion also. I am not wrong here and sticking to neutral view only. President is not a ordinary individual in a country. President speech also denotes to current and past historical events. It does not mean like, that is her speech, so its just here view only. No it is not. review it carefully. She is addressing a cultural event of a huge repetation. So its general speech and common.

Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 12:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It is a speech, not a journal publication research book etc and at best amounts to her opinion. For claims like this you need solid sources. Not some bland speech by a president. This is the reason you get branded as a fanboy by every other editor you meet.--Sodabottle (talk) 12:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Sodabottle. when you have your own standards or approach of viewing a issue, no one can do anything. Either people should themself learn or try to get it. At a function of that much scale, a person of that high standards, why should they use it. Are they playing there?? A large amount of time would have been spend in preparing the speech before delivering. Have a clear mind and think big. how can you deny this. Its becoming so one-sided and not fair. Trying to block all ways does not mean doing good. dont have multiple standards. Its a clear proof and even after showing clear ref. I dont know what else one should do?


 * Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 13:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keyan, it is a learning period and takes a while. While politicians try and need to be "politically correct", they are not expected to be "scholarly correct". what you are trying to add may be more suitable in World Classical Tamil Conference 2010 as a speech given by Mrs. Patil. --CarTick (talk) 13:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks to stalkers for responding. Keyan20, this is not your personal forum to wonder why we should consider Patil's words as sacrosanct etc, they don't meet our requirements for something touted as "fact". That's all there is to it.&mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 December 2010
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Sambhavar
Ok,Thank you for your guidelines...i will attach new references to the article sambavars.

By userrajancheetak2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajarajancheetak2010 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, please read through the policies that I've linked to in the message on your talk page. Almost all your edits violate the neutral point of view and verifiability policies. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Mahesh B Desai & Co. Deletion
Respected Sir, Mahesh B Desai & Co. is one of the most esteemed firms in the Surat city of Gujarat state in India. The page Mahesh B Desai & Co. was created for information and journey of the company and its entrepreneur. The page was still under cunstruction and suddenly the page has been deleted saying (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion (CSDH). The page was not at all created for promotion. The logo of the company has also been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Here's the link http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/MBD_%26_Co._NEW.jpg Please try to understand the reputation of the firm and its entrepreneur and allow the page on wikipedia.

ThankYou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.80.183 (talk) 14:31, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but the article fit our criteria for speedy deletion, specifically G11 and A7. If you would like to create an article on the company, then it will have to meet our notability criteria such as WP:CORP or WP:N, and reliable source references should be used for the content. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  20:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 December 2010
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Corrigendum:Ys jagan's deeksha a 'People's agitation not Party rally'
the deeksha column is important aspect as many thought this moment would lead to the downfall of the government in AP, as reports claimed that 50 mla's would support jagan. This would lead to by-elections in the state which is a tense situation but I had never mentioned this as such if I would have done so it would be a Political rally. So, rather than projecting it as party rally I intended to showcase it as a tight moment because many farmers, workers and BPL families were involved in it .My request is to undo its removal. Thank you. It would of great pleasure to me if I get a replyMidnghtchild (talk) 08:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)