User talk:SpacemanSpiff/Archives/2010/February

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The articles marked with Template:India-agri-stub do not go to a stub category. Can you please look into. Thanks. Shyamsunder (talk) 10:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I somehow missed this message, I'll create the stub cat and fix it. cheers. – Spaceman  Spiff  10:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Your comments
Thanks for your comments. Shaivism is a branch of Hinduism that mentions Shiva as the supreme God; reference 82 mentions Yama as Yamaraj. Srikanta's views on karma are important and not mentioned in your citation. Your citation for Srikantha is not an authoritative source, as my reference. I appreciate your comments. I agree that more work is needed. Raj2004 (talk) 12:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I know what Shaivism is, but the article doesn't provide any explanation to the lay reader on the context or philosophy; that was my comment (and this was an example, it's applicable to other sections too). I missed the Yamaraj bit, should have chosen a better example, sorry about that. As for Srikantha, I didn't provide any references, I was only commenting on the usability of the references within the article and also on context. Hope this clarifies. cheers. – Spaceman  Spiff  16:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Sihag
Sir, I urge you to delete my account Aryanjat on wikipedia because I'm highly unsatisfied with the admins,,,mods here. I'm new to wiki and was trying to build new articles,and edit existing ones with my concern but whenever I edit or crete new page,,someone or the other revert it or delete it,,,sad thing is this that I was editing and creating pages with valid references...and even after providing references all that was done. So,plz.,with due respect,delete my account on wiki as this is my last visit. Thank you for injustice!! (Aryanjat (talk) 08:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)) Aryanjat (talk) 02:09 IST, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that User:Abecedare has already responded to this comment (cross-posted on his page). I'll just reiterate, read through some of the pages he's linked and you can contribute effectively. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Nadar(caste)
I am quite busy. But when I get back I ll prove how POV your edits are. Subsect? You didnt include that part in the article,did you? Please stop using harsh words like ridiculous instead of going through the refs properly. Lindamd90 (talk) 17:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, Wikipedia is not your caste website. Read the references before inserting POV into the article. The Rajayyan ref says "...included warriors, merchants and toddy tappers in their fold." And goes on to add that the Madurai Pandyas are widely believed to form one of the sub-sects. The word ridiculous is rather mild for the kind of edits on these articles. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

My caste website? Excuse me. I am an editor as well. And I am trying to be as reasonable I can be rather than deleting a passage without any second thoughts. This claim thing is just irritating the nadars and they want their view in the article as well. As per the nadar article discussion page they want the editors to look into books by Immanuel and Nedumaran. So I am goin to include the views of immanuel and hardgrave. I would have done this long time ago. Had no time. Just wanted to say, stop playing superiority and use harsh words like you just did. We are all equal in wiki. Cya. TC Lindamd90 (talk) 09:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

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Thank YOU!
Thank you for you quick action in blocking 207.6.244.90. I've been following him around for a while now and I was getting tired. I'm not sure exactly what that ranting was he kept posting, bizarre at that. Where do people get this stuff?! petiatil &raquo;user&raquo;speak 09:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this was some strange stuff. Probably copied from some forum somewhere. cheers. – Spaceman  Spiff  09:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Jats
Hey, bit new to editing Wikipedia, so I apologize if I'm not following the correct guidelines. I've been seeing the description of Jats change virtually every month. I was unaware of the whole Indo-Scythian background for some time, but did a lot of outside research (meaning not Wikipedia), and it's pretty clear that Jats are descended from Indo-Scythians and Indo-Aryans. Recent DNA studies have also helped to prove this, and an Indian researcher had attempted to visit Ukraine to study the origin of Jats, but was prevented from doing so (I believe from funding denial and ridicule). I've very much found Indians very loathe to call themselves anything but Indo-Aryan - some kind of weird pride in the word Aryan. I was slave to this for some time too. Doing a very quick run-down search on Google Scholar left me with a slew of articles supporting the Indo-Scythian viewpoint, some of which had not been listed on Wikipedia:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/lw5v58gm16723786/ http://www.springerlink.com/content/k3r48177278105w0/ http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VBF-3SWT27W-4&_user=10&_coverDate=01%2F31%2F1997&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1192748881&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=71d7cfb87d376e6c202037335ed6e417

One article I did not link mentions the Rajputs as descendants of Indo-Scythians - Rajputs and Jats are of the same ethnic stock (I'm a descendant of Pritviraj Chauhan on my mother's side - he was a Rajput); the split between the two was in political/social disagreements (one primarily being the use of sati pratha). There are more links that I did not post. Also, Jatland (a website by and for Jats) has this:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Indo-Scythian_origin

So hopefully I might have convinced you somewhat of the ridiculousness of the absolute disregard of most evidence pointing to the Indo-Scythian descent. It's mentioned MUCH throughout the article itself, but people keep removing it from the introduction. I haven't removed the Indo-Aryan references from the introduction on Jats, because that would be false. Jats are a mixture of both groups - virtually no race/ethnic group is "pure" or unmixed. This is what I had been editing it to say. Only once did I see this correctly shown - it seems to be an edit war going on between Indo-Scythian origin supporters and Indo-Aryan supporters. Clearly, both are wrong, and both are right. It isn't one or the other, it's both. I've seen it devoid of Indo-Aryan references, and I've seen it devoid of Indo-Scythian references (like now).

Any cooperation on this matter would be much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PR-0927 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The Jatland site is not a reliable source. As for the others, most of them use the Major Tod bit as their source, however subsequent research has not shown that to be the case. This is a discussion for the article talk page, where you can discuss the sourcing. Regular editors of the article will discuss there. – Spaceman  Spiff  01:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Spaceman, in case you haven't seen this already: Origin of the Jat people, which seems to be the source of those first sentence source dump. Abecedare (talk) 01:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, hadn't noticed; that page was proposed for a smerge, so hasn't had the requisite clean-up.&mdash; Spaceman  Spiff 


 * Was hoping you guys might give a look at the discussion topic I posted on the "Jat people" talk page. Hopefully you'll include the mention of Indo-Scythian lineage, as evidenced by numerous sources in the article and by the page that Abecedare is mentioning, aside from the news ones I mentioned in my post on the talk page. PR-0927 (talk) 05:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I will do so within the next two days. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I appreciate it. PR-0927 (talk) 06:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Dravid
Yep, you're correct. — Aaroncrick  (talk )   19:58, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, good. The CI scorecard doesn't carry a *, so I was wondering. cheers. – Spaceman  Spiff  21:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You beat me with some more Indian related vandalism! :) — Aaroncrick  (talk )   10:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, I just finished a GA review and was starting another one, then decided to push that off and do some clean up instead :) BTW, good work on Ganguly, I have some comments that I'll type down on your TP in a day or two. cheers. – Spaceman  Spiff  10:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent, fire away when you find the time. Anyway, I didn't do much with the article, did 90%. — Aaroncrick   (talk )   10:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) — Aaroncrick  (talk )   09:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi
It seems I've been away for some time - thanks for keeping an eye out. :) Hope all is well! Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Just saw this, I seem to be missing messages on my talk page with alarming frequency! He went to arbcom btw. Hope all's well with you. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:47, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Harish Gaonkar
It says that he got Ph.D. from UC, but that is not verfied. UC has several campuses. Thanks. --DoNotTellDoNotAsk (talk) 18:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then the citation needed tag is enough, don't add random commentary all over.&mdash; Spaceman  Spiff 

Thanks for the intervention
Thanks for the intervention against VikingsnMoss. As much fun as I have when a vandal takes a personal interest in me, changing my user page to suggest I was a nazi was a little bit much. Again, thanks for the speedy response to my vandalism report. Gnowor Talk2Medid wha? 07:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, all in a day's work. Don't let the vandals and POV pushers get to you. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Indian coordinate-missing categories
You can now use the coord missing tag to use Indian states. For example, instead of adding an article to Category:Karnataka location articles needing coordinates by hand, you can just use, which is slightly shorter to type, will be compatible with the other geotagging management bots and tools in use, and will automatically add the article to the invisible category Category:Karnataka articles missing geocoordinate data at the same time. -- The Anome (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I hardly do the geo-tagging any more though. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  01:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Why are you constantly reverting the versions?
The company Glowtouch is a major one in mangalore and I want it to be noted, for benefit of people in this region, there is enough credible reference to prove this fact. Please note that it is the next biggest after infosys in this region, in terms of employee strength and financially —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.241.103 (talk • contribs)
 * No article for the company, then no linking on the article. If you think the company is important enough to be included, discuss on the talk page. Wikipedia articles are not meant to be a directory of companies. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your comment "Wikipedia articles are not meant to be a directory of companies" I know that, there is wipro mentined in the article, do u even know that, this company exists in mangalore ? There many not be an article page or links but i guess you should help in getting them added. Encyclopedia means it should contain all the relevent info of the region, and how can you ignore the second largest player in this region? I havent included this in Karnataka or India !! Its in mangalore and I think it is worth getting noted being the second leading IT company in M'lore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.241.103 (talk • contribs)


 * Same reason that this isn't being added to Louisville either. I don't find your reasons compelling (neither did two other editors). Discuss on the Talk:Mangalore if you think it needs to be added. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I cant discuss more on this, when you have already made up your mind not to include it. You dont even know that Wipro doesn't exist in M'lore, this shows the knowledge of editors wrt m'lore IT. I have included it in talk page, and have done my Job, its included or not, i dont lose or gain anything .. thanks

Tamil status
Hey Spiffy, do you think I'll be accused of POV editing, favoring my Tamil brothers, with this edit, which places them first in this set of examples? Drmies (talk) 18:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your bravery in dwelling into such contentious waters. As for the official languages, both Hindi and English are. I'd think that most of those examples need to go. If any I'd say Bengali or Telugu should stay (based on population) and Kashmir (based on number of official languages). Also, the official languages are Hindi and English, the constitution mandates English as an official language until Hindi is accepted as the sole official language. Some legalese in all this, that's where the POV gets in to these articles. See Talk:India for a recent discussion. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  20:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * From what I understood, one was official and the other was also-official-but-slightly-less-so. Anyway, it seems you're sleeping on the job: get to work! Your Tamil pal Drmies (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's what I added to the lede of the article a couple of days ago. Of all the things wrong with that article, you caught an upper-case anomaly! According to my copy of Hermann Kulke's A History of India, the Mature Harappan period starts around 2600-2500 BCE and was at its most mature phase between 2300-2200 BCE. I'd already alerted Fowler to the need for clean-up on the article. Maybe Abecedare will get to it. Stock up on bacon and beer for the evening? &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * one issue which is quite clear as we speak is that India doesnt have a national language. but about the official languages, there is still confusion about the constitutional interpretation. Ramachandra Guha in his book in page 9 says The constituion of India recognises twenty two languages as "official".
 * I assume he interprets Schedule 8 languages also as official. Broadly speaking, his interpretation doesnt appear wrong, but it ignores the fact the constitution gives special status to both English and Hindi. However, considering 0.5% speaker of Romansch language in Switzerland being one of their official languages, how 60% non-Hindi speakers lost their voice during the framing of Indian constitution is something very interesting. -- Car Tick  18:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Haven't read the book and don't have it, but as far as the Schedule 8 languages go, I think this interpretation of them as official stems from the fact that they may be used in Parliamentary proceedings and governmental business and that the Union of India should ensure that translation is available for such purposes. But there's generally been back and forth with different people about whether these are "official" or "national" (I've seen both terms used quite often). cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * besides, some scholars may interpret official language of a particular state to be official language of India. with the false propaganda of Hindi-the national language at rest, and an ambiguous status of the Schedule 8 languages, and various Indian states adopting different official languages, I will not be surprised, if more scholars will start interpreting Indian official languages the way Guha did.
 * By the way, it is a great book. must read for all who are interested in Indian history after Independence. i havent read it all though.-- Car Tick  18:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Women cricketers
Got all the Aus and NZ. Will need to get you to inugurate this yr's photo poll :) More details on my talk  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket )  05:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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Mishal raheja
Thank you for taking care of the CSD before. Could you please re-delete and block the user "Nisha d angel" as he/she has recreated the page for the third time now today. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 07:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC) Thanks for your help. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 07:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, appears that he's had multiple roles and interviews in national newspapers, so he's likely to pass WP:ACTOR as a TV actor. The article however was a terrible mess and I wouldn't expect anyone to figure this out looking at that! I'll keep a watch to make sure it doesn't get back to being a fansite. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of article Ambarish Srivastava
I have provided all possible references including newspaper cuttings, Pics of all awards and certificates related to article Ambarish Srivastava still it was deleted while Ambarish Srivastava is a prominent and notable person who is a best architectural engineer of sitapur who is at topmost position as well as a prominent Hindi Auther and poet, he is the first person who got the Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award at Sitapur, although first of all this award was awarded to mother teresa so What should be the criteria of notability? and how it should be prove as per your rules? because in our country coverage in news papers are to much important than coverage in website. now i am feeling insulting myself and it appears i am wasting my valuable time with wikipedia so i can not work with wikipedia! so bye.... for ever and it is suggested that you should review your policies in future. Sad: S. P. Jaiswal. Please delete my account! Spjayswal67 (talk) 08:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * As I mentioned to you on your talk page, the right forum to discuss the deletion is Deletion Review as this was deleted through the AfD process. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

My Name Is Khan
Thanks for restoring protection to My Name Is Khan. It is a great deal of extra work for editors otherwise... -Classicfilms (talk) 03:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. Now, I just hope the film lives up to expectations, although I'm sure it won't be as good as Taare Zameen Par or 3 Idiots, but that's because I prefer the other Khan. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  03:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * lol :-) Well, TZP is just a special film and 3 Idiots is one of those films which spoke to many people - both excellent films. I'm a fan of both Khans so I hope for the best for all of the films. -Classicfilms (talk) 03:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you, but could you take a look at the most recent post on the My Name Is Khan talk page? I think it is a violation of WP:NPA. Thanks, -Classicfilms (talk) 15:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Reverted, nothing more to do, a 12 hour hold edit by an IP, so a warning is likely to be meaningless. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure that sounds fine, I just thought it should be removed. Thanks, -Classicfilms (talk) 17:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism by Sanam
Hi... the article Nair is being vandalized by Sanam001 despite my requests to reach a consensus on the talk page. Please stop the vandalism. Axxn (talk) 16:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not explicit vandalism and looks like a content dispute, specifically related to the sources. If you can't get consensus, take the discussion to WP:RSN to discuss if the sourcing is correct, or even try dispute resolution. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Mishal Raheja
Pretty fantastic work cleaning up that article. Just sayin' :). ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ bomb 17:46, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's always difficult to identify the notable stuff from the slobbering fan-boy syndrome articles. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Rivatphil
This editor is adding false info to a lot of political party articles. Talk page shoes he has done this in the past. Since his edits are being reverted, he has logged out and reinserting them from this ip. should he be warned or blocked or something?--Sodabottle (talk) 04:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like it, some of those village articles appear suspect. Can you check with User:Salih on the Kerala villages bit? I'll look at the other stuff and warn appropriately for now. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Flag of India
Spaceman, can you drop me a note when you are done with the article, and I'll take a quick re-look ? I took a stab at rephrasing the "supercilious" sentence; as usual, free feel to tweak or even revert. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 05:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

fellow editor khatri doesn't mean kshtriya . word khatri means account book
khatri belong to mercantile vaisya caste and you can check this out.

rohit agarwal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohitagarwal50 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not the place for your original research. If you have any reliable sources, discuss on the article talk page. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Spacemanspiff, I am getting a little sick of Rohitagarwal deleting refernces on various articles. He seems to be fixated with Khatris for some reason. I am going to issue yet another warning and get him blocked if he does not desist. Thanks --Sikh- History 09:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The edits precede my final warning, but if this continues, I will block. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Photo poll
Off and running, the parts that have been uploaded anyway. Commonist only works on certain machines  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket )  08:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * All up and running  YellowMonkey  ( Southern Stars photo poll )  06:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:Tamil-language films
I give up. I thought I'd do a little cleanup (rm bold from actor's names), but there's too many damn movies. Do we have any other letters but A in our beatiful language? I got to Aayirathil Oruvan, but I'm calling it quits. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. "அ" (IPA:[ʌ]) and "ஆ" (IPA:[ɑː]) are the most common word starters, so there's definitely going to be a lot more "A" words. But, to do what you're looking to do, you could use WP:AWB (I'm guessing you use Windows). It's so much simpler and you could handle about 300 articles in an hour (assuming only 30% are goofy). I've been meaning to do that for a while to fix all these typos and MOS issues, but I had to uninstall AWB due to some security setting on my office pc. It'll also help you get your edit count right up there with CoM in less than a few days. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  21:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I do use Windows. I don't know what AWB is; I'll check it out. Do I need to outdo CoM in everything? I'm already much better looking. Maybe you can help--start by blocking me a couple of times and bring me up at ANI... Drmies (talk) 02:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've used AWB, it's good for a lot of mindless tasks like fixing typos, removing duplicate words, capitalizing, removing redundant wiki links/pipes, fixing duplicate references, mass adding categories, etc. But it gets boring as you really don't read anything, you wait for the computer to read it and tell you that "tamilnadu" should be replaced with "Tamil Nadu" and asking you to agree to that change. I'll block you for disruptive editing once you're done with all movies starting with Y, that way I can still justify that your disruption would continue to the letter Z. deal? &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  03:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Rohitgarwal50
Hi fellow editor, I think that user maybe this user and you may wish to do a sockpuppet investigation. Thanks--Sikh- History 22:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but unless there's some significant activity from the IP it's not worth it. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  23:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Namaskar SpacemanSpiff jee, i am impressed to see your talk page which is looking very good. Seemavibhaji (talk) 08:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of article Ambarish Srivastava

 * References (reliable source) about Awards and other things including necessary newspaper cuttings
 * the above link is although a blog still it consists photographs of original award, award certificate, and pics of original news paper cuttings related to this award (coverage through print media). Unfortunately perhaps it was not visited by you being a blog but i request you please visit it and enlarge all related pics two times, i hope that you will be satisfied to visit it, you can also download all related pics for the record. Or please show me any email address so that these all certificates and coverage through print media can be sent to you. I have visited above link which is related to article ambarish srivastava, i have seen all references also after two times enlarging, i found there that all sources are reliable which i read in newspapers previously, it appears this article was deleted unfortunately. so it is requested here that it should be restored after reviewing above link. Seemavibhaji (talk) 08:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm still not convinced that the award confers notability; however, others may hold a different opinion. As a couple of others and I have mentioned at User_talk:Spjayswal67, the best way forward is to create the article in user space, reference every statement within the article to the respective newspaper references, once the userspace draft is done, take it to deletion review to ask if you can recreate the article. That's the best process for you to follow. You can start the article at User:Seemavibhaji/sandbox. You can also use the article wizard for help on creating the article. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Munneswaram GA
I've tried to answer all the q's per your comments. Pls look. Thnx Taprobanus (talk) 19:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Will get back to it tonight. cheers. – Spaceman  Spiff  21:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Done everything except one :( couldnt do it, in talk page Taprobanus (talk) 14:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well get back to it this evening, cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Done to my best of my ability.Thanks Taprobanus (talk) 15:27, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review/Log/2010 February 14
Hi, SpacemanSpiff. Because you participated in Deletion review/Log/2010 February 11, you may be interested in Deletion review/Log/2010 February 14. Cunard (talk) 08:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

REGARDING SARASWATI RIVER
sir,but my references in mahabharata are right,why are u deleting them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.160.178.38 (talk) 18:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll stop deleting it when the references actually say what you're saying. The Brittanica ref doesn't even mention anything about what you've referred it for. Also, I assume you are ?&mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

in early day i was not aware of editing,i was new in this area,so i could not unterstand what the policy is.but now i have added reference from mahabharat,i have also given verse no like- Accoring to sabha parva of mahabharata(2.29.8) it is mentioned that "nakul conquered the sudra and abhir who lived at the bank of saraswati near sindhu(indus). . could u please tell me my mistake now. secondly i want to say,in mahabharata article it is claimed having 8800 verses as"jaya" in Adi parva verse no 81,but it is not present in Critical Edition of the Mahabharata by Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, Pune,most authentic version of mahabharata. i will be grate full to you if you clear m doubt and i will keep your point in my mind while editing in future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.115.123 (talk) 18:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * we can have this discussion when you start referencing properly, right now all you do is add some random reference without any context and "claim" certain things. Also note that sockpuppeteering to avoid your block is not allowed. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

o.k sir i accept my mistakes,as i have seen my references,now next time i will try to give you accurate references,please forgive me i repeat this mistake for 1 or 2 time more so that i may check my capabilitiy of adding good references.thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.115.123 (talk) 19:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

The page may need to be semi-protected again, I'm afraid. Besides, of course, something needing to be done about "registered" socks from IP.115.240.x.y, such as the latest one, rudra (talk) 21:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * This is getting increasingly annoying, has been socking for a while, then made a legal threat, now back to socking. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  22:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

i want to ask u,would u allow me to make a permanent account,whenever i make a account,u always try to block it,you are using your mind in a article ,of which you have not knowledge,this time i gave references,but i thing u english people know only distorting any indian article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.127.68 (talk) 23:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC) can i ask only u an rudra have the authority to change or edit any article,it s not a fair policy,if u donot like my articles then remove it,what it this meaning to block my account every time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.127.68 (talk) 23:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You have been indefinitely blocked for (a) repeatedly introducing factual errors in articles, (b) repeatedly making up references, (c) making legal threats, and (d) sockpuppeteering. Finally, I have no interest in the articles, anyone who doesn't do the above is free to edit them. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  01:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello!
SpacemanSpiff, I'm a bit fed up dealing with people who think they can create facts by ignoring what is widely and commonly known as official. They can add a few sources, but when I cite the largest book on Hindi cinema, "Encyclopeida Britannica"'s "Encyclopedia of Hindi Cinema", it is unacceptable. When I ask them to make a simple Google search through "Google Scholar" and "Google Book", they ignore it. When I cite reliable sources which discuss the fact that the use of Urdu is minor, they ignore it. When they add inconsequential posters with Urdu scripts, it's OK, but when I cite offical film certificates which identify the language as Hindi, it is not.

On top of that, I am now indirectly and deviously accused of attacking the Muslim community of India. I undid this post by a user as it was very incoherent and broke by message, and I'm accused. This is antagonistic and unpleasant to me. Have I done anything wrong? Shahid •  Talk 2 me  22:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think the revert was necessary, it's a talk page. That said, the whole discussion has gone beyond the realm of having any meaning, IMO, and both sides have contributed to that. I've participated in the discussion, so I'm not a neutral voice, I'd suggest you check with someone else. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  22:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I now moved it. I'm more concerned about people accusing me of attacking the Muslim community of India. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  22:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

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Next batch uploaded, kiwis  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars photo poll )  09:50, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Does it take long to uplaod, all those photos, just visited NSW although I forgot the spare batteries and only got 80 odd. A few interesting pics of Hughes and Henriques. One guy sledged Aaron Bird; after about 30 balls, he said "that's the first one you've bowled"  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars photo poll )  05:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Munneswarm GA
Thanks for all the hard work; after I am done with the rewrite of Vedda language, I am in the process of collecting some literature on Koneswaram next. It is a bit controversial. Looks like the chronology is ?->Non Buddhist deva temple-> Hindu Siva Temple --> Buddhist temple + place Vedda worship--> reconstructed as a Hindu temple. So I have to be really careful in figuring that out. Taprobanus (talk) 20:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work on this one, good luck on the next. cheers &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  21:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

MGR pic copyright
I have a doubt. has been uploaded to commons from english wikipedia by user sundar and points to as the source. And the original uploader is given as Sundar. From the metadata and uploaded timestamp i believe it comes from Kumar Rajendran's collection. I believe while uploading to commons something has gone wrong. Can you take a look?--Sodabottle (talk) 05:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not really familiar with the Commons transfer protocol. You can check with Sundar, he's probably quicker to respond on ta.wiki. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Spiff, Sundar has confirmed that he transferred the image from kumar rajendran's upload to commons. The original uploaded file (with edit summary and copyright declaration) is . Can you access this and add the edit summary/copyright information to the commons image?. Thanks!--Sodabottle (talk) 06:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, I went to the commons page and have no clue what to do! You'll have to ask someone who knows stuff on commons (Abecedare perhaps). cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Fort Geldria
This was fun. I expanded it some, and there is more that can be found in the old Dutch archives; I have yet to search for "Kasteel Geldria," an alternative term. DYK? Drmies (talk) 20:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was randomly looking for this article as I remembered a trip to Pulicat as a kid and found it didn't exist on wiki. I think a DYK is appropriate. There could be another article about the Dutch Cemetery in Pulicat or included in this one (there are two cemeteries -- one inside and one outside the fort). Haven't been able to find much in online Tamil resources, but this should be well documented in books. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  21:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, are you sure it's Arak (distilled beverage) and not Arrack? As far as I know, the local brew of choice was arrack, although the two are quite similar; the Dutch might not have been able to distinguish between the two? &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  22:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't know--there's two? This Dutchman clearly doesn't know about that. The Dutch book I got this from said "Arak", but it didn't go into detail, and 18th century spelling is notoriously inconsistent. I'll have a look, but trust your own judgment: you know the area and the local brews better than I do! Spiff, I just came back from seeing Neil Gaiman read--it was really cool. Take care, and thanks for watching my back! ;) Drmies (talk) 08:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I nominated the fort. Feel free to tweak the hook. Drmies (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry doc, I was away from computer for a while and couldn't do anything on this. Good work on the article and DYK! cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

User page
Delete user my page. --Epsonix (talk) 10:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone else has already deleted it. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  10:35, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

History of mahabharata epic
why have you deleted this article,i think u will not allow me to do anything,ok we will meet when i will purchase wikipedia and you will be asked get out from wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.102.240 (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You have been indefinitely blocked (by another admin), and now you come back creating sock accounts impersonating other contributors, and back to the same disruptive ways. Wikipedia is not a place to publish your fringe theories. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  21:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

yes you are saying right,wikipedia is a place to publish only those article which its permanant user prefers,i want to ask one question to u,if wikipedia does not want contribution of any user like us then why it is promising us to join it.we are wasting our time here,can u tell me what are supposed to do for a new user from wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.102.240 (talk) 21:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You've been reasoned with many times, by quite a few users. I see no point in discussing it once more. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  22:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

o.k,now i will talk to your higher administration,i have already funded a lot of money to wikipedia,and i think it was a wastage to support such a group

Seems to be a static IP, so perhaps a 3-6 month would be useful ? (The IP just showed up on my watchlist even though I had no memory of having blocked a Dewan sock just <10 days back. Senility, eh ?)Abecedare (talk) 04:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Some of his edits don't seem bad. Too bad when such an editor who can contribute positively, cannot work within the norms of wikipedia. Abecedare (talk) 04:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * He's been using many static IPs, that's why I was a bit hesitant to do a long-term block (libraries, coffee shops, possibly homes of other people etc). That's why I thought an SPI would probably be a better avenue to deal with this -- if it's a regularly used IP, then a long-term block, if it has other users, then probably not. With all these socks, it's difficult to remember who I blocked yesterday! &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't realize he had been using multiple other IPs too. Too bad he has chosen this path - I can't imagine it being an enjoyable experience (then again, many problematic editors' motivation is beyond my ken). Abecedare (talk) 04:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * BTW,, a sock of ? Will contact YM tomorrow, after his weekend recess from WP. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Could be. The timing of Ss's block and Sitehawck's account creation is especially suspicious. May need YM's confirmation though, since there are just so many ethnic POV pushers. Abecedare (talk) 04:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Indians of Pakistani descent
Shahrukh Khan and Saif Ali Khan are both of Pakistani descent. --Saki talk 19:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Find some reliable sources that say so, until then, stop. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:36, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Kohli
Heh some more. Ahh, you won't get edit-conflicted. Uploading Moises  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  06:36, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

ARYAN wiki page
Hi. Someone i trying to vandalise this wiki page. I have put with ref that this word derives from sanskrit arya, but he refuses to acknowledge that and is deleting what i have written. Thanks.Rajkris (talk) 12:18, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Please read the article carefully and see the context of such additions. Clean and sourced information is already included. You have already violated 3RR on the article, discuss these points on the article talk page instead. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

8,800 verses claim in "jaya"
there in nothing mention in mahabharata regarding this,the source that have you given does not tell about this, there is no mentioning about jaya having 8800 verses in it. Now as u mention Mahabharata (shlokas 81, 101-102),then it is not present in Critical Edition of the Mahabharata by Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, Pune,most authentic version of mahabharata.However in gita press gorakhpur version A verse like this has been given,but its transalation given by you is wrong.Vyas actually said that there are 8800 secret verses out of 100,000 in mahabharata,which actual meaning is only known to him,sukha and sanjy.

can there is no answer to my question then what is the advantage of this discussion,i asked about jaya 8800 verse claim but no body answered,this shows a poor response activity from wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.35.192 (talk) 20:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

BIMAROU
Vanakkam! How r u? Recently you have reverted BIMAROU back to BIMARU. But you have missed a point that BIMAROU is not new. It has been in use since 1992. Anyway both terms reaches same page. If you don't mind to answer, is there something you don't like about North India. Several of your edits sometimes reflect that you have some kind of resentment against North India. Sorry if this is irrelevant to you. I do not want to hurt your sentiments but just asked out of curiosity. --Swaminworld (talk) 07:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Huh? &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

doubt
Spiff, when we say "largest city" in wikipedia, what do we mean? by population or by land area?. For example, Coimbatore has slightly larger population than Madurai, but corporation land area is slightly smaller. So which one gets to be the "second largest" city in TN?--Sodabottle (talk) 07:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen, it refers to population. See List of largest cities in Brazil for example. It's the same statistic that's used for the rankings in Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Kolkata, Chennai, Hyderabad. I reverted a change on the Coimbatore page sometime last week on this because the article said population of 930k and Madurai's said 1.2M. Don't know if either of those nos is correct, but that's what I went by. Most of our articles use World Gazetteer for the most recent estimates. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:35, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * By 2001 census and by 2010 world gazetteer estimates, Coimbatore has more population than Madurai (something's fishy about the madurai population numbers as there is negative growth from 91 to 2001 and they are using it to extrapolate 2010 numbers. i think the degrowth has to do with change in city limits). So the IP editor has it right that Coimbatore is the second largest city in TN. I will let the edit stand this time. Thanks for the help--Sodabottle (talk) 07:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Nice blocks. Good work. Did you see Boing!'s obvious interest in improving Indian movie articles, displayed on my talk page? This bodes well--now let's hold him accountable. I'm having a decent day; how about you? Drmies (talk) 17:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, I go to do school blocks for a week, and get edit-conflicted with others who do it for a year! Just goes to say I haven't lost faith in the American education system yet! Ah yes, but if you're looking for bigger problems on the Indian cinema front, just check anytime a new image is added -- invariably, modeling images and video stills that are uploaded turn up with PD-Self. I wasn't ever planning to work on images, but I've had to delete so many copyvios and tineye doesn't even keep track of many Indian websites, so I have to go search for them to delete immediately. Not a bad day either. BTW, how long does it take for a DYK to show up on the main page? I never submit for those things, so I have no clue. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, this image work, you're on your own (that is, I can't help you there). DYKs--it all depends. Key Largo Woodrat took a week and a half or so, some take longer, some have taken shorter. Sometimes there's a backlog, and whenever there's questions about the hook or so you can add a couple of days or a week to it. Some of the folks there are very thorough--User:Materialscientist and User:Ucucha, for instance. User:Dravecky has done a lot of good there, don't know if they're still at it. But if you want something to show up on a specific date, you can ask them--there's plenty of time until 15 August! And sometimes they plan stuff there for certain dates, like Unthanksgiving Day for instance. BTW, I saw that week-block for the school. I do think that yearlong blocks are a bit much, so I won't disagree with you. Hey, something else, in Flag of India, should "tricolor" have a "u" in it? Drmies (talk) 17:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing specific, I was just curious as to when Fort Geldria would show up. My only other DYK was also courtesy of another editor who went through the trouble, so I just piggy-back on that front! Ah, where there should be a "u" there isn't, where there shouldn't be one, there is; and you wonder why we have difficulty learning the language! &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
 * 1) Proposal to Close This RfC
 * 2) Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip  03:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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Please block
Greetings SpacemanSpiff! I just rollbacked an edit by User talk:66.18.238.13 and when I went to his/her page to leave a warning saw that a bot had left a pretty serious looking final warning over a year ago. As I imagine bots can't block, and the editor is not currently active, Admin intervention against vandalism ain't the way to go, either. I've long had this gut feeling that editors and bots that leave "empty" threats just incite certain elements to "test" the system to see what happens... Thanks in advance for checking it out. --Technopat (talk) 23:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a dynamic IP and only one (bad) edit over the past three months, and that's also four hours old, so it's not something that merits a block right now. Will keep a look to see if anything further happens from the IP. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  23:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers!--Technopat (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Anupam's canvassing
Hello, SpacemanSpiff!

At the beginning, I found it completely odd that several editors have come out of nowhere to the discussion. Several editors came after a long absence from Wikipedia and this striked me from the very first moment.

Now see this.

And this person who tried to get fake consensus by contacting the "right" people now warns me not to remove scripts from films while they are acknowledged as Hindi by the films' certificates and by IMDb. What do you think about that? Shahid •  Talk 2 me  09:19, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that this issue has gone to a level where it has no meaning anymore; neither of the two options is the end of Wikipedia, but the discussions have gotten too personal. At this point, I'm not going to engage in this issue any further. If there are some problems with the RfC etc, I suggest you contact someone who hasn't participated in it to provide a neutral view. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:59, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Shshshsh, I have made it clear that I did not know User:Yumegusa before contacting him. The message which I sent him (which you can see on my talk page) is very neutral in nature and asked him to present his own opinion. As I mentioned before, I encouraged inviting other users to the discussion in order for them to present their views regarding the issue. You have also engaged in private correspondence regarding the issue and moreover, you have started to edit war on Bollywood related film articles despite the fact that you were warned by a Wikipedia Bureaucrat to respect the previous consensuses here. Thanks, AnupamTalk 17:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion request
Application delete User:Remisx.--Remisx (talk) 19:27, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, you can also just tag the page with db-u1 and it'll show up in the category for deletion for any active admin to address. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Thread removed...
Hey there - I received a request to remove the thread - appreciated your insights anyway. -Classicfilms (talk) 00:26, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, the wonders of Wikipedia. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  01:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

The Wisden 100 page.
Hello,

You have gone ahead and protected the Wisden 100 Page on account of 'vandalism' without reverting the last act of vandalism that was perpetrated there. Viv Richards was and stays the greatest ODI bat ever and SRT is at number 2. Some anon editor put SRT at number 1 which was VANDALISM. And you have gone and protected it just after. If your 'nationalistic' feelings cause you to do so be my guest and I shall have the revert I want to see effected there with the help of admins. I too am an Indian but have no feelings whatsoever in this matter.

However since you have been the one to protect it I request you to revert the last vandalism and then protect it. Richards played in an era of fast bouncy difficult tracks, zero protective gear, no batsmen-favoring rules, and extremely fast dangerous intimidating bowlers, ALL UNLIKE SRT. Also he did not have the pleasure of bashing up crap attacks like those of Zimbabwe, Kenya, Bangladesh, Namibia etc. England and New Zealand jad a hundred times better bowlers and attacks in the 70s and 80s than in the 90s and 00s; and grounds were bigger and the bats had less meat on them. As Wisden's analysis was purely statistical and so other factors were not taken into consideration, SRT was ranked 2 still behind Viv with a SUPERIOR average and SR. The more objective analysis done by the ICC ranked Viv comfortably at 1 and put SRT in his place at 12.

So please revert the change within the next 24 hours or else other admins will come in and it might not reflect that well on you to think of editors and readers like me and the admins to be fools. 117.194.236.9 (talk) 07:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. It's not the first or the last time that the wrong version of the page gets protected, I just saw a lot of SRT fans creating havoc on the page, missed this bit. The page is not fully protected, so if you leave a note on the article talk page, any logged-in editor can make the change and it doesn't have to wait for me to get online. And you should consider creating an account. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

You
Don't ever write on my talk page again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.116.27 (talk) 09:33, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't have a talk page. Why not log in?  pablo <sub style="color: #c30;">hablo. 09:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

sorry sir...
hello sir,you have blocked me,i apologize for the copyrights violations and i request you to unblock me sincei'm a newcomer with no knowledge regarding my contributions n profile,i confirm that i'l not repeat this again.

please unblock me,

with apology, sunilgaral

my username: sunilgaral —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.40.150.160 (talk) 13:38, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Please log in to and place an unblock request explaining this reason and any admin can take a look at it. I can't say that this IP belongs to that login. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)