User talk:SpacemanSpiff/Archives/2013/September

Good to see you back
Good to see you haven't disappeared forever spiff. With fowler and Abecedare around as well, .... let the good times roll. Now if we can only get YM to return! Meanwhile, I see from above that you're still making friends and influencing people! --regentspark (comment) 17:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am still channeling my inner Dale Carnegie! I really wish he'd come back, he's surely and sorely missed. Hope you're recharged from your annual vacation?Am I that much of a wiki-addict that I even know when your annual break is? cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What happened to YM ? Abecedare (talk) 04:29, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Long story, but short version is he was driven out. You'll find links on his talk page archives to at least some of it. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  05:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

India
You have also recently reverted my edits without giving valid explanation. I have viewed all the page and no information about poverty exists. all wikipedian administrators are very sensitive about there edits. I have entred a properly refrenced information but seems that everone wants to show wealthy face of my India, ignoring the poor.Goodfaith17 (talk) 14:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * As you have been told in multiple edit summaries, both the economy and demographics section have sufficient and detailed information on poverty. If you do not care to read the article, and instead want to repeatedly add your favorite random snippet, that is not the fault of others. Read the article, if you still think the additional stat that you present should be included then get consensus on the talk page to add it before adding it. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  14:21, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Goodfaith17, You should know by now that they act unilaterally as if its their blog. Neil2000 (talk) 21:26, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

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Vandalism
I thank you for your edits/reverts you recently made on the page of India, but you should had been more alert, i mean i reverted the edits made by "goodfaith17" just now, first of all it's obvious that India is not one of the poorest, but actually 3rd richest by it's GDP PPP right now, 2nd thing that most of the claims regarding growth of the nation differs from each other, in short words, it can't be decided before the whole economical year has been over. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:00, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * My Wikipedia time is limited, so I can't/don't catch edits as they come by. However, that edit isn't vandalism -- it's definitely not the best way to word it and likely an undue entry, but not vandalism. There are many editors, including yourself, who can and do act when there are things to be done. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:02, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for heads up!
Hi There,

Thank you for sending me a welcome message and sharing the best practices for wikipedia contributor. I look forward to mentoring by you and other like you to ensure high standards that wikipedia provides.

-S — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schikara (talk • contribs) 03:12, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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Pending changes reviewer
Can you turn on Reviewer and File mover rights for me, or are there any hoops I need to run though? Abecedare (talk) 01:42, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've turned on Reviewer, I've never granted File mover rights and I think that one's a finicky right meant for people who work with images, pinging RP or Drmies to see if they know anything better as I haven't been around much since that user group was created. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  05:45, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have 2012 Delhi gang rape case‎ on my watchlist, saw that there were pending changes I could have accepted as a matter of course, and then realized that that is (no longer?) automatically possible for autoconfirmed user. So thought I'll ask for the reviewer bit (it seems to come witha lot of bells and whistles!), even though I don't think I'll be using it much.
 * Haven't needed the file mover bit yet; if I do, I'll ping RP/DM. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 06:52, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice dog, Spiffy! Abecedare, I made you a file mover even though I think your block log needs a little work. Don't break the wiki, Drmies (talk) 15:19, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Drmies.
 * Off to find the mainpage file. Any hints which directory they keep it in? Abecedare (talk) 18:23, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey
Your user name rocks! That is all. DKqwerty (talk) 21:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, unfortunately it doesn't come with the associated superpowers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Lal Bahadur Shastri
Dear Sir / Madam,

Greetings of the day!!!

How far I hope my additions are good for an encyclopedia. You may like to make your side safe. But people found WIKIPEDIA as a best source of knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahkhil (talk • contribs) 08:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Editing content for Sridevi
Hi,

I recently edited the article "Sridevi". She is a telugu lady as said in her personal interview to a channel TV9. Please check this link below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0A78W15yF4 Check after 1:00 mins. Somehow whenever I made an edit, it was changing back to the origional. Since I am a new user who tried edit, I was not sure how this happened exactly. Someone seems to have made a complaint against me since I received some kind of a warning. Can you please try to include my change since it is more genuine than other articles you can trust? I hope wikipedia will not include wrong facts although it has genuine references like mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrithik gff (talk • contribs) 01:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've left a note with your source and my translation in the talk page of the article. You can discuss it there. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  03:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for David Reo
An editor has asked for a deletion review of David Reo. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Dobro77 (talk) 21:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Noted, though the deletion request was based on the view that the references neither significant nor conformed to guidelines. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:48, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

"was based on the view that the references neither significant nor conformed to guidelines" This was the "view" of two people prior to the article being revised. The article had been revised and the references were put into the article were valid. Was the article even read by spacemanspiff? Does two comments qualify for a deletion? I thought this was a group process. In my opinion in appears the article was deleted without the editor even reading it. "based on the view" of two. That is not a fair process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobro77 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

The Kwartet Deletion
I would like to know why the Wikipedia page for The Kwartet was deleted. As a lifelong fan I find this move hard to understand and inconvenient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B105:A1D6:85DD:56B8:45AD:6B0B (talk) 22:44, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It was deleted through AfD at Articles for deletion/The Kwartet. The Band hasn't been in existence for long, so I'm not sure about being able to be a lifelong fan. If you have proper references and have an account, I can userfy the article for you to work on to address the concerns from the AfD. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  03:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Problems
Hello, SpacemanSpiff I need your help with user Kool777456 who constantly keeps removing anything related to India like pages such as Superpower, Emerging power, and South Asia. He has been putting his point of view and isn't explaining his changes. I'm asking you because it looks to me you know more about how Wikipedia works and I'm doing my best to keep user Kool777456 from removing India from these pages. I don't know how to deal with it so I need to know is there a way to stop this user from further vandalizing anything related to India? Nikhilmn2002 (talk) 11:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm pinging Abecedare and RegentsPark as this kind of stuff is more up their alley, I just reverted on the renaming of Indian Subcontinent to Indopak Subcontinent. I don't know anything about emerging powers etc, but if he's repeatedly removing or changing sourced content to something else and has been suitably reasoned with/warned, then a step to WP:ANI may be one option. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  14:20, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

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Know who this is?
Malik Samudra

Btw, what is the practice on listing potentially problematic user names since the auto-notification system was implemented? Abecedare (talk) 04:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this is WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Buddhakahika. and  might be able to help further on this, I've blocked a few at SPI, but not overly familiar. I don't know the practice as this was implemented when I wasn't around, I'd stay away from linking unless it's at one of those non-productive forums. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  05:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. I'm not going to demonstrate why this is so on-wiki. Do you want me to file at SPI or can you just block anyway? - Sitush (talk) 08:56, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you please? I'm sure there are a couple more, so an SPI should be helpful. I'm off for a few hours, I'll look at the SPI later and block if someone doesn't do so already. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:23, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. I'd rather not have spilled the beans again but, yes, there are probably sleepers and so a CU is required. - Sitush (talk) 10:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the follow-up Spaceman and Sitush.
 * By the way, I found, which claims to allow linking a user w/o setting off notifications. Testing: , can you let us know if this set off a notification for you (hopefully not) ? Abecedare (talk) 10:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "Noping" sounds like something an inveterate naysayer would do. There was indeed no ping - saw this due to my watchlist. Smartarse  - Sitush (talk) 10:36, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked one as it was obvious, am letting CU handle the other, btw, I saw that the Shah one htat I blocked has two similar articles under different titles, they ought to be merged to the better title I think. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:56, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally  & co's  interest in Hinduism + Buddhism + (particularly) low-caste/non-Brahmin saints reminds me of the heavyweight socker. I haven't checked the POV pushed by the formers sock-farm, but if it is indeed Maleabroad, then it should be along the lines promoting Hindu-Buddhism comity (eg, Buddha is Vishnu Avatar, Hindu kings worshipped Buddha etc) and less often, subtly anti-Muslim. (see this User:Abecedare/Maleabroad, which list only a small fraction of his socks, and was abandoned in order not to build him a shrine). Abecedare (talk) 20:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * More commonalities: promotion of the term "sanatan dharma" over "Hinduism". And this edit by a known Maleabroad sock should convince . Abecedare (talk) 21:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've never been familiar with Maleabroad, but we have quite a few of the old time masters returning now. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  03:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow. I've not heard of this person before. Clearly, they are going to be back. Is there a way to merge the SPI archives? - Sitush (talk) 09:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * For now I'd suggest noting it at the SPI page that this is likely Maleabroad, none of the CUs from then are active now, but I believe may have had some familiarity with this guy as he was following some of the India socks back then, so perhaps a quick word with him may be of help? &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't seem to be remember this particular person. Let me brush up a little. Elockid  ( Talk ) 22:22, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Edvige Antonia Albina Maino to Sonia Gandhi
I read REQMOVE, "Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function, located in the drop-down menu indicated by a down-facing arrow, at the top of any page to perform most moves (see Wikipedia:Moving a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page." I have little doubt that this move is disputed. As many people know her name is Edvige Antonia Albina Maino, yes in India people know to her Sonia Gandhi as well. Sonia name is suggested by her 'mother in law' as Indian Name. We can say this is additional name of Edvige Antonia Albina Maino. Please help me to understand justification of article you reverted.GKCH (talk) 16:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a classic case of a violation of WP:BLP, you've been warned. You appear to be stretching the definition of "no reason to expect a dispute" by feigning ignorance, and that isn't something that you should be using to justify this. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
What's the repeatedly deleted article? Dougweller (talk) 06:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

 * Thanks. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Adding most popular translation of Valmiki Ramayana online according to Google
Dear SpacemanSpiff,

I have added the most popular translation of Valmiki Ramayana on web, according to Google, in the external links for Ramayana on esteemed Wikipedia. This external site has been around from 1996. Please contact me at kkopalle(at)gmail.com if you have issues with this link.

Regards, Kishore
 * Wikipedia is not a collection of links to all translations. Our article includes the Dutt translation which is peer reviewed as well as a couple of others, nothing about this website provides such confidence; popularity and domain ownership are not reasons to include such links. In an article such as this where there is no shortage of quality academic peer-reviewed literature we shouldn't be including just any translation based on google ranks. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Article claiming these are real people, other sources call them deities
See Dhani Matang Dev, Mamaidev and other articles by the same editor. Then see  - other searches with variant spelling also. Then which says at the bottom "The above article is written on the basis of facts narrated in Barmati Panth religious discourses known as ‘Genan’." And Articles for deletion/Barmati Panth. Dougweller (talk) 08:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look in a couple of hours, but this particular one is unlikely to have much of academic literature as it wasn't a sect or religion for the "elite". I'll see what I can dig up though. is back now, and perhaps this might get him back to editing in that space. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, posted to him. Just found. Dougweller (talk) 13:29, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * And speaking of promotional edits, Talk:Islamic Call & Guidance Foundation. Dougweller (talk) 13:31, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

On a quick search, found this reference, which offers useful definitions/background information:

So the subject is worthy of and amenable to encyclopedic coverage, although given the small amount of reliably sourced material we are likely to have at this point, it may be best to cover the terrain in one main article, with the others being redirects. I'll try to expand Barmati Panth based on the above source this weekend. Abecedare (talk) 14:02, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. There are serious copyvio issues with a number of this editor's articles - besides some of them being promotional. Dougweller (talk) 14:20, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Copyvio is par for the course in such areas that attract editors more "devoted" to the religion/sect/caste, and less devoted to wikipedia's persnickety requirements of V, RS, NPOV, Copyright, etc. I'll leave the copyvio handling (blocks, article/revision deletions etc) to Spiff and you, and your fancy tools. :) Abecedare (talk) 14:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

PS: I noticed that Dougweller had already located the source that I found. The essay title and most of its content refers to Panthis (ie followers of the sect) much more often that Panth (the sect itself), which explains why the above quoted part was missed by your search. Abecedare (talk) 14:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Any comments on Beg Khan - I think this is confusion - it's two titles, surely? I've also taken some empty cats for deletion, others when the template is deleted. Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 28. Dougweller (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Beg Khan (both the title and the article) seems to be essentially a concatenation of the (ledes from) Baig and Khan, without any additional useful content. But instead of an AFD, it may be best/simplest to convert it to a a disambiguation page for persons using "Beg Khan" as part of their name/title. Let me try that and see if it meets any resistance... Abecedare (talk) 15:03, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * See this version. Can you check if it needs further clean-up especially with regards to the included templates and cats (during my wikibreak, I happily forgot all the minutiae regarding what cats are needed and/or allowed in dismabiguation pages :) ). Abecedare (talk) 15:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * In response to Abecedare's edit summary, this seems to be one of the better uses of my talk page as it involves article content and not socks, so I am rather thrilled! &mdash; Spaceman Spiff  18:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol! I know what you mean. Thanks Abecedare, much better than just sending it to AfD. I'll try to figure out the little bits. Dougweller (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

user:beypeople
Mr. Spiff please not delete my pages i am give most of references like Moazzam Mirza page, pleace... Please, no delete„ please Mr. spiff... User:Beypeople 11:37AM (UTC), Sun 29 September 2013
 * Our articles have to pass our notability guidelines and should be verifiable through reliable sources, the blogs etc that you keep adding don't satisfy that. I would suggest that you take a break from creating or editing articles and read through our policies. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks man!... but Our 1only ref for watercolor site in Moazzam Mirzas bio... But short bio... So why reject this link....User:Beypeople 12:25PM (UTC), 30 September 2013

Shraddha Kapoor age issues!
Thank You, for you message. The two references i added was from national newspapers, and was recently interviewed by Shraddha Kapoor, Her age indicates 24-year old, don't you think it's quite a creditable sources.

Archana Ramdonee 19:47, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That is a source for age, not for her birthday. They are two separate things. You can say that in September 2013 she was 24 years old as part of a sentence, but you can't say that she was born on dd-mmm-yyyy based on that because you found a non-RS source that asserted her birthday was such. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Shraddha Kapoor - Date of Birth
This is the actress's Official Page on Twitter - https://twitter.com/ShraddhaKapoor

I cannot imagine a more credible source than the actress herself! She received all her Birthday wishes on March 2. Furthermore, the age of the actress as confirmed by The Times of India (the largest newspaper in the world), India Today (leading national magazine), Cosmopolitan (global brand) and leading national news channels NDTV, CNN-IBN & ZeeNews, among countless other sources, is 24. I used fresh references that aren't even a day old.

--Xmisstree (talk) 20:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)