User talk:Spacetrecker

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Proposed deletion of Replacing the ALP


The article Replacing the ALP has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable organisation. Web search returns no articles about it.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Stickee (talk)  08:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Spacetrecker (talk) 08:14, 6 April 2011 (UTC) Replacing the ALP is a new organisation. It has been sited on this website: http://the-riotact.com/replacing-the-alp/42015 along with it's own web page www.replacingthealp.org. Spacetrecker (talk) 08:14, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Replacing the ALP


A tag has been placed on Replacing the ALP requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 09:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

(Spacetrecker (talk) 09:24, 6 April 2011 (UTC)) Replacing the ALP can also be confirmed though twitter, where it replied to @EnWiki http://twitter.com/ReplacingtheALP http://www.facebook.com/pages/Replacing-the-ALP/199981270025069 We will also be adding more to our wiki page within the next few hours. Thank you. (Spacetrecker (talk) 09:24, 6 April 2011 (UTC))
 * [[Image:Information.svg|25px|]] Hello Spacetrecker. I'm sorry but I had to delete the article you created, because it qualified for  speedy deletion, as it did not assert why this particular organisation is important or significant. This does not mean that your contributions here are not welcome! It's just that Wikipedia has rules regarding what qualifies for inclusion: in Wikipedia's jargon, only things that are notable can have articles written about them. Before recreating this article, please familiarise yourself with these rules. If you need anything, feel free to contact me on my talk page.  Salvio  Let's talk about it! 10:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Re-Creating Replacing the ALP
Hi Spacetrecker, I've been following your discussion on User talk:Salvio giuliano about Replacing the ALP. I hope I can address some of your questions:


 * You've asked to speak with an Australian representative. Editors around the world work on the English Wikipedia, and there is no formal "representative" of Wikipedia in Australia (at least of the kind you're looking for). But there are editors who live in or have a connection to Australia. I've seen your "Replacing the ALP" ads, so I guess I qualify!
 * You've asked why the article about Replacing the ALP was deleted. As Salvio explained, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which doesn't publish articles unless they have reliable sources. For Replacing the ALP at the moment, this means sources that are independent of the organisation, not advertising, and not forum-based. Generally, 1 or more sources are required, and 3 is considered good.
 * So far, I think RTALP is mentioned in:
 * The Canberra Times Advertising
 * The Riot ACT forum, which also doesn't have a wikipedia page
 * Your own website and facebook and twitter pages
 * The Political Sword in the comments section
 * The 2CC facebook page, but you appear to have dropped off the bottom
 * So, currently, according to the Wikipedia definition, you have 0 out of 3 reliable sources. (I couldn't find a 2CC transcript.) This means that any Wikipedia article about RTALP has nothing independent to back it up. Since you started the article early, before it could be independently verified, Salvio removed it. This happens to a lot of articles, and it doesn't take much to get them back. Please don't be worried about it.


 * The message about "importance or significance" is actually based on an objective policy - if you think Salvio has applied it incorrectly, you can apply for the article back at Requests_for_undeletion. I understand it doesn't look good for your organisation, but this can be a temporary state that you can change as you are published in the media. But until you have reliable sources to back it up, if restored or re-created, the article would just go through a longer and more permanent deletion process.
 * You said - "We also didn't have time, per wikipedia's deletion, to add more information about us so when we are reinstated we have much more to add." You have two options:
 * you can ask Salvio, or another admin, to restore the deleted page to a userspace draft, at User:Spacetrecker/Replacing the ALP. It won't get deleted there if you add to the top, and you can work on it until it contains enough independent references (3) to be moved back as an article.
 * you can wait until you have 3 reliable sources, listing them here if you like, and then get an admin to restore the article and put them straight in.

Whatever happens, I hope your initial experience hasn't put you off editing Wikipedia. I'm sorry it didn't work out like you'd hoped. Sadly for you, we do discourage people from promoting their own organisations - in an objective encyclopedia, it's seen as a conflict of interest. I'd encourage you to read the COI policy, and ask about the alternatives to direct editing. Don't let it stop you from starting an article that you let others develop. But do be aware that once you're published, criticism of your organisation will end up in Wikipedia, and deleting it to preserve your reputation or "make the article more accurate" is seriously frowned upon.

Many established Australian political and lobby groups, such as the Australian Labor Party and the Australian Christian Lobby, have balanced and well-supported articles here. I'd be happy to help you join them, once you've become established in the media. twilsonb (talk) 12:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)