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Confession
"to err is human"

To take away all ammo left from the hands of Alexander, here goes. Yes! I did add a link to wikiproverbs.org, which is a site I own and maintain. It was a mistake, I clearly see that now. I was being naive, and thinking that it fit so well in context on Proverb for 3 reasons: 1) It's a wiki, 2) it's about proverbs and 3) it's non-commercial and released under creative commons. I confess my sins. Now it's your turn Alexander.


 * Are you putting a sticker on everybody calling them a spammer, because people added useful content including link to the site that is relevant to the article? Do you have any idea what Voyages and GPT Group are? You even added Enetica and Medicare to this list. Please stop harassing me and other wikipedians. There are 100's of domains owned by Voyages and GPT. Are you going to monitor and remove all of the links to them because because you believe they are spam and these domains owned by this guy? Another thing - which sites are blacklisted? For what reason? About special-dictionary.com and all-acronyms.com - you call these sites as spam. Do you have any idea what spam is? These sites don't even have any adds. According to you logic these sites should definitely be added as links in Wikipedia. Make yourself familiar with WP:SOCK, WP:EL and WP:NPA and reconsider your wrong actions. Voyages 13:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I enjoy dialogue. Welcome! Can I ask you some questions now?


 * Do you deny you are Alexander?
 * Do you deny the above IP's and their contributions to be from the same user?

If you keep living in denial Alexander, you're leaving me no other option than taking contact to each of these websites, preferably by phone, so I can verify their validity. Start confessing now Alexander. I might not be spot on with all the links (especially the ones under Update). But I'm certain you have commercial interest in your submissions. I noticed you removed the book selling part of special-dictionary.com. And no I can't prove that, since you have a very extensive robots.txt going on. Do you deny the relation between special-dictionary.com and special-loans.com ? --SpamAssasin 14:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

SpamAssassin: I think you will find that many of these sites are genuine, particularly the Voyages Resort ones. They own many resort islands on the Great Barrier Reef, Australia, and it is entirely appropriate for a link to the resort's page. Most of these resorts are on very small islands that you only go to when going to the resort, and they are a valid source of information.

The others seem a little more suspicious. www.medicare.com.au now links to the official Medicare.gov.au site, but the .com.au version used to used by scammers. A couple of others you listed seem less than reputable as well.

Please consider the context of any links posted. Even if this individual works for Voyages, the links are still valid if the the Resort and/or its island are the subject of the article. It's very different from a link to a hotel on a heavily populated island or in a city. He has pushed it a bit though, such as linking the Dunk Island page to sites to other Voyages sites that are not related to Dunk.

Exercise some restraint in your actions please... though not complete restraint. Drop a note on my talk page if you want an Australian perspective on whether or not a link is appropriate, especially on pages about tourism destinations in Far North Queensland. It's my backyard.

You are however correct, in my opinion, that this individual has been less than entirely constructive, and may very well be making the edits with a commercial purpose in mind. This is regrettable.

Alexander, or whoever you are: please resist the temptation of posting links that are not directly relevant to the article.

Riftreef 08:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the update Riftreef. I understand that these resorts are connected with their island. But that doesn't change the fact that it was the owner of those resorts himself, who added them. And that is against Wikipedia policy, no matter how relevant it might be. But I guess Voyages shot his own foot in this case. If he hadn't intervened on the special-dictionary issue, I would have never found out about his resorts.

User:Voyages has finally confirmed his identity. They have a professional relation, as I had guessed. --SpamAssasin 10:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

More thoughts
He doesn't own them, he's probably a minor player in a marketing firm connected to them. Voyages may be interested to know they are dealing with scammers. It seems that this Alex and co like to register web sites similar to real sites in order to con people. They caved in when the Government closed down their medicare site - they knew they were acting dishonestly. They have a long history of such behaviour.

From, which quotes the Australian Financial Review's article Web firm hits on lost addresses The company behind a cyber squatting web site that capitalises on a disused Australian Taxation Office internet address has been linked to a second site that takes advantage of commonwealth agencies' failure to register web addresses associated with their names. Perth company Domain Services Pty Ltd has emerged as the registered owner of the www.medicare.com.au internet address, which is similar to addresses used to reach Medicare Australia's homepage, including www.medicare.gov.au.

Riftreef 21:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Postscript: I have send Voyages an email alerting them to these individuals and asking what professional relationship exists.

Riftreef 22:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

SpamAssasin, you are sick to be spending so much time on digging info and writing all this crap about decent person. You redicule yourself. Just get a life!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.243.12 (talk) 04:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)