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Juan González
I've about had it with your bullshit. Gonzalez is not some random "minor league scrub". He was just selected to the AS Futures game and is in Triple A. He's a possible callup at some point. You don't like that it's there? Too fucking bad. RFD it then. Go ahead, bitch about Jharel Cotton too.--Yankees10 02:15, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * He's a minor league journeyman that is not on any top prospect lists and has had very little written about him. Cotton was on the verge but I would have waited a bit longer on him..   Spanneraol (talk) 03:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Well he's not on prospect lists because you have to be an incredibly good to be considered a top prospect as a reliever. But besides that he's got a nice ERA this season and is in AAA and has solid stuff so a callup later this year is not an impossibility. Taking that into account I don't see the issue with the addition. If he was some random reliever in A ball than I wouldn't have added him, regardless of the AS Futures Game selection.--Yankees10 04:12, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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Numbering a Make-up game
The second game of the Cubs-Cardinals double header today was actually a make-up game for the rain-out of the second game (#2) of the season. How do you show that in the "game #" column?? . Buster Seven   Talk  06:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The way it is normally handled is that you delete the number from the post-ponded game and re-number all the subsequent games... to if the second game was not played there would be no number there and the third game would be #3. You can see how I did that on the Dodgers gamelog with the May 9th game that was rescheduled for June 2. Spanneraol (talk) 12:33, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Freedom League
Hello What is your name? I am the Freedom Pro Baseball League administrator and would please ask that you don't put updates on the Freedom Pro Baseball League's page. Many hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been put into the league to provide opportunities for overlooked players. If you have some questions I can answer them for you. It was a huge undertaking to put the league together since 2009 takes more than can you imagine and unless you are working with the league each day you would not have an understanding to write updates. Are you a Freedom Pro Baseball League fan?

Thank you.

Holly — Preceding unsigned comment added by HollyBaseball (talk • contribs) 19:45, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I would direct you to wikipedia's policy on conflict of interest. These articles are not supposed to be written by people associated with the organizations and they also should be sourced. The material you have added to the page reads like a press release for the organization. The fact that the league did not play for two years is notable, despite your attempts to white wash the record by removing the information. I am a baseball fan who has written many articles on wikipedia on different minor league organizations and the freedom league wouldnt even have an article if i didn't start it. Spanneraol (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Spanneraol. If you have questions about the Freedom League page, please lets discuss. As Nihonjoe said in his post to you lets get along and not make this a big deal. How do you  know about the Freedom Pro Baseball League?

Holly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.62.108.186 (talk) 00:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC) Are you associated with SABR? You would be of great help if you could help with the players stats from 2012 and 2013 uploaded from Poinstreak to Baseball Statistics and Reference. I understand the SABR staff are volunteers and we have tried in the past connecting with SABR to help with players stats being listed for scouts and teams. We would greatly appreciate your help.

Thank you Holly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.62.108.186 (talk) 00:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I follow independent baseball thats how i found out about the Freedom league.. You kept reverting my addition that the league did not play in 2014 because of a problem with stadium leases. That comes from articles written about the league as well as posts on the league facebook page. Why were you trying to remove that? The league now hasnt played in two years are you sure they will be able to return? Spanneraol (talk) 00:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

You say you are a fan of independent baseball and I asked you if you could help with steering me to the person to contact with SABR to have the players stats uploaded from Poinstreak and you make no reply or help. And now you change the page again and put an incorrect derogatory statement that the league was locked out of a stadium for not paying rent. This is totally incorrect. You seem to want to make the league look bad and shut down. You have made changes in wording to make the league look bad in every update you did. Please stop this for the last time. You must have better things to do than make changes to this page.

The Freedom League has given over 300 players opportunities( many would have never played professional baseball) to be paid to play baseball and opportunities for coaches and staff to be paid working in professional baseball. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were paid to players, coaches, staff, cities, businesses, umpires and years of meetings and work were spent putting the league together  It seems you have something against the league and Joe Sperle.

If you could please just leave the page alone and move on and use your time working on other pages. Maybe you should look at being positive and happy for other people when they make a positive difference in the world. Please let it go whatever is bothering you and move on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HollyBaseball (talk • contribs) 15:19, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have nothing to do with SABR.. I'd suggest contacting them directly, there is a contact link on their website. The information I added was factual and cited with reliable sources.  The purpose of wikipedia is to be a factual encyclopedia.. Removing negative information just because it is negative is one of the main reasons why people with conflicts of interest are discouraged from editing articles they are personally involved with. My purpose is to accurately document the league.. not to create a Press release. The previous information you added was copied directly from the league website which is a violation of policy. Do you have evidence that the events described in the linked news articles are incorrect?  I do not desire the league to be shutdown... I would prefer them to prosper. There is not a whole lot of information online to use to write about them since they didnt get a lot of media coverage and much of what they did get was related o problemes they were having. Spanneraol (talk) 16:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Shall I send you the checks we sent to the stadiums. It is an untrue statement that is negative looking toward the league. The articles written have incorrect facts. Let it go and stop changing the page or our league attorney will be in touch with you. This is enough of this childish stuff. Stop changing with negative comments and get a life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.171.122.216 (talk) 16:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Your league attorney has no jurisdiction over wikipedia policy.. Are you denying that games were cancelled due to stadium issues in 2012? There were several articles written about it.  Spanneraol (talk) 16:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * (friendly stalker). @ the COI editor that doesn't even sign their comments. You will be blocked if you make any further legal threats. Please read No legal threats. Editor Spannerol is acting in the best interest of Wikipedia and its readers. Your self-interest blinds you to the good intent of his edits. And your aspersions do little to maintain a congenial editorial work place. There is absolutely Zero bad intent toward the Freedom League. . Buster Seven   Talk  19:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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Recent years RFC
As an editor involved in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Recent years, I wanted to make sure you saw the RFC that I placed there regarding the guidelines. Your comments are of course appreciated. agt x 19:27, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
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Brian Wilson
I feel that it violates WP:CRYSTAL to already call Wilson retired. He was on a major league roster as recently as last season, and he is only 33, which is younger than the age of retirement for most pitchers who have had success in their careers. I could understand your rationale if he was older and hadn't been signed by any team for a few years, but right now, I feel that the only way to justify considering him retired would be if there was an official announcement, which there hasn't been. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 22:12, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * First of all, I never used the word "retired" I simply listed his final appearance, something baseball reference also does at the moment for him. If you expect people to make retirement announcements then most of the former players will still be listed as free agents... they simply never get jobs again but they dont make big retirement announcements. Using crystal as an answer to this is incorrect as you are the one assuming someone would hire him again. Spanneraol (talk) 11:40, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Even if the word "retired" is not used, listing his final appearance implies that he is retired because it changes the infobox to say "Batted" and "Threw" instead of "Bats" and "Throws." I'm not necessarily assuming that someone will hire him again, but as I said, he hasn't even been out of baseball for a year. So wouldn't it make more sense to wait until at least the end of this season before changing the infobox again if he doesn't get signed? I also looked back through the page history, and two years ago when Wilson didn't sign with the Dodgers until the end of July, "free agent" was in the infobox for the entire time before that. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 17:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * He was recovering from an injury and actively looking for a team back then. He shows no sign of looking for a team now. And Baseball Reference lists his final appearance. Spanneraol (talk) 21:13, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Still, I think it would be best to wait at least until the end of this season before we change the infobox in a way that implies that he's no longer an active player, considering he was just active last season and hasn't officially retired. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 04:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Trade deadline shenanigans
The trade deadline shenanigans we baseball editors endure on a yearly basis prove that you and need to become admins so I'm not the only one swatting flies :-)  Go   Phightins  !  13:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm still not interested in the political stuff that goes with being an admin.. you don't seem to get to work on articles as much as you used to. I am back from my vacation though so i will be able to help with reverting the nonsense that goes on in pre-deadline deals. Spanneraol (talk) 14:57, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I admit, it would be beneficial for the late July madness, but I'm also not such a fan of the wiki politics. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I concede that I don't work on as many articles as I used to, but that is mostly due to my work with The Signpost, not being an admin. I need to get back into article work; I fear, though, that I am too far behind with the 2015 Philadelphia Phillies season to catch up :/  Go  Phightins  !  20:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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how can i edit some locked pages?
Id like to be part of the Wikipedia family and edit what I can to help out Bryant2russell2baez2rizzo (talk) 02:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What pages are you looking to edit? Some have been locked for unverified users because of persistent vandalism. Spanneraol (talk) 02:47, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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disambig
According to Disambiguation, when there is a more complete name that is unambiguous (even without being the most common term), that term is typically the best to use. --Ali Pirhayati (talk) 20:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Naming conventions (baseball players) is used for baseball disambs. He is never listed by his middle name in any sources. Spanneraol (talk) 20:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Then where did "Mark Landon Johnson" in the lead section come from? --Ali Pirhayati (talk) 21:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thats his middle name which is usually used in the lead, but not in the title of articles as people wouldnt be searching for that and would be more likely to know he was a catcher than what his middle name was. Spanneraol (talk) 22:59, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

The disambiguation phrase is not "what people would be more likely to know". It's for disambiguation and if the complete name is clear (even if not common), the phrase should not be added.--Ali Pirhayati (talk) 23:32, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The baseball player naming conventions guideline i linked to above is the applicable rules for this article. Spanneraol (talk) 23:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

That page doesn't say anything about such a case when no disambiguation is needed. When we can have a "natural disambiguation", we should not use the "Parenthetical disambiguation".--Ali Pirhayati (talk) 00:22, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The page discusses the proper way to name articles.. adding the middle name when the player doesnt go by it is not something that is done. Spanneraol (talk) 00:52, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Jose Tabata
He does have a uniform number as a Dodger. – B2Project (Talk) 16:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Only 40 man roster players have numbers listed. Mike Bolsinger is #46 on the Dodgers. Spanneraol (talk) 17:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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removal of sourced content
Show up on the talk page or move on. The Dissident Aggressor 20:58, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I was in the process of writing on the talk page when you posted this. Spanneraol (talk) 20:59, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

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Early October was a hectic time for Editor Spanneraol. While most baseball article editors were busying themselves with the end of the MLB regular season and, for some, the start of the play-offs, he was already creating and expanding 24 team articles for the 2016 season. He has done this for at least the last 5 seasons. An important member and leader of WP:Baseball and a die-hard LA Dodger fan, Spanneraol is always willing to give good advice and a helpful hand to any editor that asks. He persistently keeps an eye on season articles for other baseball teams in an attempt to, as best is possible, keep them consistent with each other and up-to-date. His proficiency at creating articles has resulted in over 3000. He is a "doer" not a talker so it is not surprising that 70% of his 83,000 edits have been in mainspace with another 24% in templating and categorizing. Editor of the Week was created to give newer editors a supportive pat on the back. 10 year veterans deserve one too! This nomination was supported by John Carter, Jim Carter and Yash!. You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

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 * Congratulations! :)  Ya sh!  12:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. Spanneraol (talk) 14:32, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've seen you around doing excellent work, always. Congratulations and keep it up! Tyrol5   [Talk]  15:19, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well deserved. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Long overdue, in fact.  Go  Phightins  !  14:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * One of the benefits of facilitating the Eddy award is that I get to meet quality editors like you. Too many veteran editors spend too much time at the various drama-laden pages of Wikipedia. They rarely take the time to see the hard working editors that fly under the radar of contention and strife and they begin to look at WP as one argument after another. Editors like you are the heartbeat of Wikipedia. Thanks for all you do. Happy New Year. Buster Seven   Talk  17:13, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Couple queries
Hi, Spanneraol, I know you are busy with other stuff right now, but you were quite proficient and have the format down for combining team pages. One was curious if you could work your magic for the Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin teams. Thanks! Also, I am a visitor and posting on a popular baseball forum that is always looking for awesome members. This isn't a recruitment effort for a new message board, I just thought you woul be interested in it since you have a keen interest in baseball. The forum features a ton of 'experts' and is not your typical casual fan website. Here is its BR Bullpen article. Alex (talk) 00:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yea, I have been intending to get back to working on the minor league team pages, but i've been pre-occupied with other tasks.. Now that we are done with the season... once i get past the initial end of season stuff.. I'll get back into those.. and can start with the wisconsin teams as you request. As to your message boards... I don't know... I really only frequent the Dodgers SB Nation blog but I might check it out. Spanneraol (talk) 00:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Jamie McCourt
Hi. I know that we have been having constant back and forth editing for Jamie McCourt's page. We are trying to update the page with the proper title of Co-Owner that she is entitled to use but it keeps getting reverted even though many footnotes have been provided. I need to know what acceptable documentation or references have to provided in order to keep the proper title in place. There are documents that are not available online that would support this. Thank you Pete731 (talk) 18:47, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I attempted to discuss this on the article talk page but you never engaged. She was never listed as co-owner by the team or MLB.. which is the requirement for such a title and is not listed as such in any official sources. The divorce court judge rules it as community property but the case was settled before that was properly judicated. In any event, the title of co-owner is inaccurate as she never operated as owner of the team or was recognized as such. Spanneraol (talk) 00:20, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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Draft pick cats
Unless there was past consensus in the baseball project regarding draft categories that I never picked up on, I'm not sure what I'm doing here that would consider it to be excessive. – Michael (talk) 19:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Shoot, it looks like there's something that may have already been in place. I think I'm in big trouble here. – Michael (talk) 21:16, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I just started a discussion on WT:BASEBALL. – Michael (talk) 21:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Kenta Maeda
Thank you for your work to expand the information on Kenta Maeda, it is greatly appreciated. Taffe316 (talk) 02:59, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. He's probably gonna be joining the dodgers and i usually work on improving their articles. His article was in such bad shape i decided to get a jump on it. Spanneraol (talk) 03:06, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

How to designate a NRI?
There's an editable page for the L.A. Dodgers roster ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Los_Angeles_Dodgers_roster ). How is it designated so that some of the inactive players (e.g. pitcher Chris Anderson) who are in the raw text of that section are displayed as a non-roster invite, while others listed in that section (e.g. Jacob Rhame) aren't? I realize that some players are under contract but not invited to spring training, but others are invited, and all of them are in the list. I wanted to change Caleb Dirks to a non-roster invite because he was just invited to spring training (source: https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/694303172953640960 ) but I couldn't figure out how to do that. Thanks. Nsxtasy (talk) 23:58, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you are asking.. both Rhame and Dirks are currently listed as NRIs on that roster page. Everyone in the inactive list is an NRI during spring training. Spanneraol (talk) 01:16, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Kinston Indians roster
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A request
When entering a players data like you did for Elliot Johnson. Please check to make sure that the player is retired. You didn't do that and he is retired. Going forward please do this. Aggiefan47 (talk) 19:48, 02 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I havent entered any recent information on Johnson and i dont know if he is or isnt retired. Spanneraol (talk) 04:24, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

MLB template
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Jana Thompson image
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Proposed deletion of Matt Long (baseball)


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Present tense = bad
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I'm an ink-is-dry kind of guy, but I guess an abundance of caution is not a bad thing. I guess. Maybe. — ATS &#128406;  talk  20:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the general practice is to wait for the official announcement by the team that the deal is finalized... Usually you get the sources confirm a deal is done stuff but the final details or the physical are not done yet. I've seen a number of these fall apart over bad medicals... which is why we always wait till the team sends out an official release. Spanneraol (talk) 22:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Gotcha—as you can see from my edits. Cheers! — ATS &#128406;  talk  22:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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What do you mean about the refs? I am a little confused. Never pegged what I was doing would be a bad thing for an article at all.--Jennica ✿ / talk 08:01, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You were combining references in different bios... Those bios get spun out into their own articles and then the refs dont work anymore. Its better to keep them separate on those minor league player pages or it becomes a big problem later on. Spanneraol (talk) 16:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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... . The source does not say the contract was signed this date. Thanks. — ATS &#128406;  talk  03:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The contract doesnt get signed until it is official. The way you worded it was way too clunky.. All we need is the date it was made official. Spanneraol (talk) 03:44, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * OK. I've located a new source that says "signed on Wednesday". I've seen conflicting opinions on what constitutes "signed", and potential BLP and SYNTH concerns are always something I watch for. Cheers. — ATS &#128406;  talk  03:50, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

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She Donahue CSD
Apologies about tagging your hard work with a CSD. I was going to request that the article be re-made under "Charles Michael Donahue", as I was unsure of both; 1). how to actually change the article name 2). if the name of the person in the article was potential vandalism.

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 * It's ok.. but the name on all the sources is as "She" which must have been a nickname for him... it is a weird name. Spanneraol (talk) 02:04, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Andre Ethier
When you undid my edit, you raised an issue with my removal of statistical information. Were you going to explain why you reverted everything else I did?  City O f  Silver  18:53, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * And for that matter, please see #3 at WP:RAWDATA. Including stats in article prose is not in line with policy.  City O f  Silver  19:01, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That refers to excessive listings of stats... not contextual stats that explain his performance that season. Sports articles NEED to have stats to explain the players performance. Spanneraol (talk) 19:03, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * And when your changes are reverted YOU are the one who is supposed to stop reverting. Spanneraol (talk) 19:04, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The edit war started when you reverted me with a summary that didn't explain most of the edit. If your only issue was my removal of statistics, reverting my entire edit wasn't fair to me.


 * RAWDATA, which is policy, says "Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing." That article's prose is entirely low quality but the statistical stuff is particularly harmful. It's just this faux-sportswriter stuff: "Overall, Ethier enjoyed a solid sophomore campaign...For the entire season though he managed to...He had the worst season of his career in every offensive category other than triples"...this is Bill Plaschke stuff combined with a particularly low level of writing ability or, for that matter, proper English usage. It's absolutely not text you'd ever read in a properly written encyclopedia article about Ethier.  City O f  Silver  19:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The statistics have context in that they are showing the results of his season.. you do not understand the policy. Look at any sports article, they all have stats. The article does need some rewriting but removing data like that does not help. When you are reverted you are supposed to leave the article as it was until discussion. Some of your other changes were helpful, but some are necessary such as saying that was the first time he played center in the majors, because he had played there before in the minors. The source info about how his genera manager saw him is also useful in context of his career. I put some of it back, with a few changes based on your comments.. I will work on this article, adding sourcing and context later today when i have more time. Spanneraol (talk) 19:21, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

"The statistics have context in that they are showing the results of his season.. you do not understand the policy." If you're right, isn't every single instance of stats in prose permitted in any athlete's article? The policy says no. (And if the goal is "showing the results of his season," why not just put them in a chart?)

"Look at any sports article, they all have stats." WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It's my understanding that I'm not restrained from making what I believe improvements to one article if other articles also need those improvements.

"The article does need some rewriting but removing data like that does not help. When you are reverted you are supposed to leave the article as it was until discussion." I believe your first revert was a borderline policy violation since it contained no explanation of why you undid everything, including changes which you now characterize as "helpful."

"Some of your other changes were helpful, but some are necessary such as saying that was the first time he played center in the majors, because he had played there before in the minors. The source info about how his genera manager saw him is also useful in context of his career." WP:TRIVIA. This does not help anybody outside of a true obsessive know anything they need to know about him. Someone who knows nothing about Ethier who came to this article to get the picture is not getting anything helpful out of reading this.

"I put some of it back, with a few changes based on your comments.. I will work on this article, adding sourcing and context later today when i have more time." I appreciate it. I disagree with restoring the stats prose but, since you sort of explained yourself, I couldn't have reverted those strict edits without discussing. Had you been a little more surgical, rather than just hitting that "undo" link, this would have been a lot less contentious.  City O f  Silver  19:54, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In a sport like baseball where it's all about numbers you need them to describe how the player performed in the season. Literally every article includes stats in them and WP: BASEBALL made a decision that it was preferable to include them in prose rather than including lengthy statistical tables. Maybe i should have been more careful in reverting.. I actually only noticed the stat changes originally. The bit about him playing center for the first time in the majors is an important distinction in his career.. you removed the word "majors" leaving "he played center for the first time".. that was factually incorrect... The qualifier is necessary as he had in fact played the position previously in the minors. And the Ned Colletti quote is important also in the scheme of his career as he lost his starting job at that point and they were transitioning him into a bench role. Thats not trivia but explains a pretty significant change in his status. Spanneraol (talk) 02:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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