User talk:SpartanGames

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SpartanGames (talk) 11:14, 22 January 2013 (UTC)WylieCoyote - I work for Spartan Games and have permission to share the copyright. I have two questions: (1) How do I confirm with Wikipedia that I have the copyright and (2) Is my content that you deleted recoverable as that was almost a days work?SpartanGames (talk) 11:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello. Sorry for blanking the page but that is usually customary at AfC in the cases of those who copy/paste without permission. I have created a page with your original work and added it for your username. You can find it here. As for the copyright permission, please read this article, in particular, this section. There are several wikilinks (clickable blue words) to guide you where you need to go/what you need to do. If all else fails, just re-word the article to not sound verbatim with the website, and it will be fine. When the time comes for resubmission, I will guide you through that. — WylieCoyote 11:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. You should also register your user name. — WylieCoyote 11:52, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have restored your original work at the AfC article and changed my note there. — WylieCoyote 12:01, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Your new articles
Hello there, I see that you are already encountering the steep learning curve that is Wikipedia.... Before you put too much energy into what may turn out to be dead ends, may I offer some advice? I hope you'll regard it as friendly because I'm a UK based wargamer and RPGer and have been for 40 years - and I love the steampunk genre too so I'm all in favour of seeing new material on my areas of interest.

Wikipedia stands on what are often called the five pillars and one of these is about notability. That blue link takes you to the general page defining what is and is not notable, the principle being that if something is notable then someone, somewhere, who is independent of the subject will have noted it. So, a wannabe garage band cannot use their own website or press release to "prove" how hot they are, but a review in NME (does that still exist?) would do the job. One problem with this submission is that (apart from the copyright issue) there is no good, independent, reliable source cited to prove the subject's notability. The same goes for this submission which doesn't have any citations at all yet.

Making a new article from scratch, especially when you've never edited here before, is tricky. Especially when like yourself there is a conflict of interest. You want your firm and its products to be represented here but that means you're not in the best position (a) to decide whether they are notable and (b) to write about them objectively. WP editors are very alive to copyright and spam issues, as we live with that daily here. You might be better starting by adding something to an existing article, perhaps where you have no conflict of interest, while you get the hang both of the technicalities of wiki markup but also of the expectations and rules, formal and informal, that apply here. Otherwise if you just steam ahead you are likely to invest a lot of work which is in danger of being simply deleted.

If you need any help, please just post here and ask a question and I will try to reply. I'll paste a welcome template below, which has some useful links for you to explore as well. Good luck! Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk)  22:06, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for your kind words. It's fantastic to hear you are a fan of wargaming and the steampunk genre. Some reactions to your points:

1. Yes, there is a conflict of interest but the article does read very objectively. Even the 'Reception' section, which does contain some reliable sources (relative to other industries they are not quite so reliable, but the wargaming industry is very informal), gives a balanced viewpoint where the most notable criticisms are shared. 2. I concede that further effort could be given to adding further sources and I will tackle this first. 3. The Dystopian Legions and Firestorm Armada articles are unfinished - I have yet to add in the sources. 4. The fact that one of our biggest games, Dystopian Wars, already has its own page created by fans goes some way to explaining our notability. Additionally, some of our competitors, even many with a much smaller market share than us, are already on Wikipedia and some have no references at all (e.g. Wyrd Games).

I hope these points give an idea as to where I am at the moment. Your advice and guidance has been fantastic and much appreciated as, yes, I am new to editing Wikipedia. I look forward to working with you to get these submissions accepted.SpartanGames (talk) 10:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


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Thanks for reading my advice. I'd still counsel extreme caution - you are NOT in a position to decide if your own edits on your own company are objective. I'd strongly advise you to heed the advice here and not edit these topics yourself. I'd also advise not working on too many articles at once. Get one finished, with good references to reliable independent sources. Having a fanpage isn't a particularly strong evidence of notability, I'm afraid. It's not one of the criteria listed here to determine what is and is not notable. If your competitors have equally poorly cited pages these need challenging and potentially deleting. Other stuff exists is never a reason for keeping any article. Sorry to sound stern, but I'm anxious that you don't spend hours of effort on work which is later deleted. (PS: new talk page comments usually go at the bottom so the page reads downwards.) Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk)  10:29, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. From what I have read, it is advised not to edit articles in which there is a conflict of interest but this is not necessarily a rule. In other words, I AM in a position to edit my own creation and be objective and it is the administrators who decide if these edits are objective. If you use a search engine you will discover that their are thousands of independent sources discussing our products - review sites, blogs, reviews, stores, distributors, videos, social media - and I plan on adding some of these to the articles. So I will take some of your advice to improve the Spartan Games article and resubmit it. I do worry, however, that you are simply going to decide my work is subjective because you know I have a conflict of interest, whether it really is subjective or not. I hope this not to be the case as it would be improper. However, if that does turn out to be the case I understand there to be others with no conflict of interest who will be happy to make edits. With regards to competitors having accepted articles with no references, I would like an explanation as to how they were ever accepted yet my work is being subjected to so much scrutiny. SpartanGames (talk) 10:54, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If it reassures you, I'll make an undertaking not to be the one to make any judgements about your articles, nor will I slate them for deletion or delete them myself. You're right that COI editing is not absolutely banned. But it is strongly discouraged, so if you edit on these topics you are doing something that the rest of the community is strongly discouraging you from doing. Having said that, there is guidance here on how to edit with a COI which might be helpful. A Google search may pick up thousands of hits but very few will be to what WP regards as a reliable source. Review sites, blogs, social media and videos are all pretty much disregarded, I'm afraid. The explanation about why competitors have pages is that WP is a site run by thousands of volunteers, not a bureucracy with perfectly applied rules in every case. Some pages may have been put up in earlier years before standards were tightened up, others may simply have not been spotted by fellow editors. I only saw your contributions because you edited an article I was watching to insert your firm's name, and that always makes me wonder if this is someone quietly trying to advertise themselves. If you have examples of poorly sourced pages, let me know and if I think it's justified I'll propose their deletion (or you can do the same.)
 * In summary, I'm trying to do do two things here. I do want to protect the quality of articles here and to defend WP against advertising. But I also want to prevent you from spending hours of work which gets thrown back at you. Do, please, start small by working on other articles where you are knowledgable but don't have a COI. That way you can learn the ropes here. If you must edit where you have a COI, just work on one article and be prepared to be scrutinised very closely. One possibility I haven't raised yet is that people might object to your username as it's that of an organisation whom you may be seeking to promote. It is possible to change username and you might want to consider doing that. Again, I'm sorry to appear to be putting obstacles in your way but if I don't tell you this now, someone else will before long and in less friendly terms! All the best, Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  11:09, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Kim for your fair stance and good advice. I completely understand your position on this. The fact I am editing from an account that makes it clear I have a conflict of interest is an inclination that I am not trying to hide that fact and this should work in my favour. After all, I could have easily worked from another username and not made it clear that I work for the company. Nevertheless, I shall take your advice and work on one article at a time. I will be as objective as I can and use appropriate sources. Once I am happy with it I will resubmit it. If it i still not accepted I will find another solution

I would be grateful if you could inspect the following pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyrd_(company), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_(game), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvus_Belli, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Pod_9, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forge_World

That list is only beginning to scratch the surface, but all of them have less references and are not as well written as the Spartan Games page I am working on. Please let me know your conclusions. 86.165.54.46 (talk) 11:31, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for taking my pestering so well! I quite agree about the username, it does indeed make it clear that you're not hiding who you are, but that's one of the inconsistencies that abound here! (I think the "official" solution would be for you to have a new username but declare your interest prominently on your userpage, but I'm not saying that's a priority here!) I've had a look at a couple of the articles - note that within WP you don't need to past a URL, typing Corvus Belli in markup produces Corvus Belli in page view. As you say they are not very strong and I'll look more closely and propose for improvement and/or deletion if appropriate. By the way, you seem to have logged out by mistake which shows your IP. If you can remember to edit when logged in that will help (as it keeps all your contributions in one place.) All the best, Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  12:02, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If I may add something, SpartanGames, you first and foremost should create a user page, following the guidelines at User pages, should you decide to add many more articles to the Wikiworld. And yes, use something other than a company-affiliated username. Secondly, as I created User:SpartanGames/Spartan Games for you, you should also create "test pages" before submitting anything to AfC or even creating your own and moving them later into article space. This goes along with Kim Dent-Brown's suggestion to not "[work] on too many articles at once". If your topics are similar, i.e. games, this will also keep things in line for you as you can use the same format from page to page, should you wish to take a break from one to work on another. As always, someone at Wiki wil and should always be here to help you, from doing basic editing to page moves. You will find Wiki is very user-friendly, once you get used to it. — WylieCoyote 13:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
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Well, it lasted two weeks before this happened, longer than I gave AfC credit for. —  Wylie pedia  00:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing.  Carbon 6  23:20, 4 January 2014 (UTC)