User talk:Spatres

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October 2014
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Riccardo Patrese, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Epeefleche (talk) 22:19, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I have deleted again the reference about Riccardo Patrese being Jewish. That's incorrect, he is Catholic. The source of the information is wrong.


 * I fully support the removal of that source. In case it gets added again, I will get other editors to weigh in. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:28, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * You again deleted this -- this time, with the assertion that he is Catholic. You supplied zero evidence of RS support for that notion. It appears to simply be your personal opinion.  Or what we call Original Research.  Original Research does not trump what an RS states.  Mac gives no reason to delete an RS-supported text either.  If you or Mac have RS support for your belief that he is Catholic, please supply it.  Otherwise, see wp:rs. And wp:or. You can't delete what an RS book says, on the basis of your personal unsupported non-RS belief. The RS book does not need to supply any more that it supplies, and one RS book is sufficient -- and more than you have supplied to support your contrary contention that he is Catholic. Epeefleche (talk) 20:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

The evidence is that I'm his son and I can assure that our family is Catholic. But besides this, how reliable is the current source that reports he is Jewish? At least it should not be mentioned his religious background being a delicate matter if no strong evidence is brought forward


 * To answer your question, I again point you to wp:or. And wp:rs.  Just click through those two links, and they will explain that we base our editing not on (asserted) personal knowledge, but what the RSs say.  Further, as to the level of reliability of the book that you have been deleting, it is (again -- read the click-through) what we call an RS, in that it is published by Ktav Publishing House, a publisher of children's books and young adult books, award-winning, been publishing many books and for decades. Plus, the author is a sports editor at The Express-Times of Easton, Pa. The book itself has been covered by RSs. Best.Epeefleche (talk) 22:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Spatres. Thought you might like to know that this issue was raised on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard (I've not directly linked, because it'll get archived soon which will break the link, but just go to that page and put Riccardo Patrese in the searchbox. There are now 3 opinions from uninvolved editors (Collect, Paul B & GRuban) which support the view that your father isn't Jewish based on that one source (i.e. sanity has broken out).  I'd be curious to know whether you've any Jewish ancestors that you're aware of (obviously, it wouldn't be notable, and you'd not be a reliable source anyway, but at least it might explain the inclusion of his name in that book).  Bromley86 (talk) 07:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Spatres. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Epeefleche (talk) 23:08, 24 October 2014 (UTC)