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Text massage needed
Dude - I've given good ol' Andre a bit of a text-massage but feel he needs more of a good going over - I've put out an SOS for Circeus who's one of the best text massagers I've seen. Your writing is a bit clausey and I've done some tweaking but am worried it could get shredded at FAC (but I may be paranoid - not sure as I am not too familiar with bio stuff in terms of prose - recent FA William Shakespeare had some great prose to compare.

We should be able to get this through though - its definitely doable (so don't panic). cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

André Kertész
Good work here. I gave the article a copyedit, though the people at FAC might find more stuff to pick at. My main issues are summarize at Talk:André Kertész/Comments. The lead and coverage of his actual artistic work are the two parts especially need work. Circeus 19:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Circeus is pretty thorough and if he's massaged it it's a good chance of getting through prose-wise. Still waiting an answer on the religion question....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I like collaborations...I'm trying to clear a few things I've worked on for a while..lion is on its way and loads of folk have gotten involved...a real love-fest..need to get some stuff on lions in zoos and lion-baiting/taming...if you see anything in a library that'd be cool. Then there's Red-tailed Black Cockatoo which I'm frustrated with as there's about 2 facts it really needs which I can't just get online...I've always liked Astronomy and thought Alpha Centauri or the Andromeda galaxy would be really cool to work up. Have a look at this page where I stick wish-listy sort of things for ideas....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * PS: A good way to get kudos is one of the FAs that's looking a bit rusty. This list is worth a look - Featured_articles_with_citation_problems. The FA crew will appreciate it muchly...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Like a 'z' - my ideas are on my to-do page which I've just expanded a bit and will expand more soon.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll post my own somewhere - My preferance would be core topics which are generally easier to expand (For example, I found just now that Habitat is in woeful condition! That'd be easy to exapnd to at least a GA. And I saw that you had leopard on your list, so I remembered an article I worked on a while ago, Snow Leopard, which is also in need of attention - I have that "Planet Earth" DVD by the BBC which has a piece on the snow leopard, but I don't know how to cite an educational DVD. Anyway, I'll include all of this in a list later. Cheers, Spawn Man 08:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

....(I knew I had a new message as 2 orange bars lit up when I hit this page) - hmmm..intriguing list...let me have a look at a few entries and I'll get back to ya..as an old D&D player some of those thingies look good too...As far as options, I'd forget random and make a shortlist after I've looked at a few. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Short ones are really good to expand to rack up a few DYKS with...Circeus is great at copyediting and kick-starting stalled thingies with some good suggestions. I really wanna get lion to FAC pretty soon as well so any input there is much appreciated too. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

OK - one final thing with the Hungarian photographer guy - is there anything about what the books Enfants, Paris, our chums the animals and the other one were actually about? Even just one-liners like "series of photos of cute animals/streets of paris/etc" would be extremely helpful. Just a little bit more info on some of the photos or series of photos and I can stick a big support, then hopefully a couple of other supports from others and it'll be through. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

..of course there are gastronomic articles as well....pork is one yummy one (having cooked some up tonight) and yeast is another...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What he's getting at (I think) is some critique or commentary on AKs work. I thought the same but was happy with the embellishment which you provided. I think he wants more. It would be ideal to get some critique or commentary if there was any but there is no reference to it online at all which is a total pain in the neck...and given he's held in high regard I'm not sure there'll be much if any anyway. If there is none, we can't make any -that's be OR...I'll be going back to the uni library sometime soon in the next week or so so I will see if I can find anything. Don't sweat it. If the worst comes to the worst and the FA ends, we know it's not too far off, we just have to find hte material and renominate. I am having trouble wit the  last few lion refs too..cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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..actually Blue does look sorta interesting... now if it were an FA which category would it go into...

The best thing to knock lion on the head is some frigging references to zoos (in captivty subsection) - all the stuff online is pretty vague and I have a few isolated bytes of info I really need some extra oomph to synthesize inta something good. Would be nice to get some more stuff on lions in bloodsports too but I'm not fond of that sorta thing....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll deal with the cocky thing posthaste...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Even something as mindlessly obvious as lions are in every friggin' zoo there is.. - know what I mean? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

OK - if yer still up - strike thru all yer happy with. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I do like blue but the thing that's a real headache is the OR bit; as I look over the page I am worried that it could be contstrued as OR unless there's a relevant book with lots of twee references on it. I was ruminating over Snow Leopard but doesn't grab me hugely as I'm a little felined out at the mo'...I like oak but was musing on something more southern hemisphere-y. Something I have a book on I am thinking would be cool too. I just realised all my FAs thus far come from the Biology, medicine and psychology section on the FA page....something to address....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sure there's a children's colour book out there with refs. ;) Snow leopard can wait, but you'd have to agree it's not the best. As for the rest - don't be so picky. Don't Australian's have libraries out there? Seeing as my list has lots of stuff which isn't Australian (Shock awe - even a New Zealand article!) I'm sure you'll get a chance to go find one of these "library" things. ;) Seriously though, I might get bored editing bliming ozzie articles all the time. Remember, variation shows that you're a great editor - not many people can edit on numerous topics (That's why I'm dying for Kertesz to pass...). Cheers, Spawn Man 05:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the Food and drink section is pretty thin, as is the mythology section. This is why I mused on pork (yum) and Agaricus bisporus which is the common everyday daggy mushroom. I have access to loads of cookery and food books so refs are a pushover if there's anythiong gastronomic yer interested in. Beer · Coca-Cola · Kashrut · Single malt Scotch · Tea are all former food featured articles, though none of these grab me overtly.

Former FAs like some in Religion and beliefs - Vampire, H. P. Lovecraft....cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've just looked at vampire and think it would be an easy one to start with hand knock over the line - we'd get kudos for reducing the FFA list too...and I have some reference books on it already...interested at all? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Got some other spider books buried somewhere which'll take me a while to dig out....vampire was an easier do than any of the spooky thingies, but gawd it has some short paras! Got my to-do page on yer weatch list? - I did think of some NZ thingies...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Adminship?

 * From User talk:SandyGeorgia

Hmmm... I see you everywhere on here - you'd make a good admin... :) Spawn Man 03:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking, Spawn Man, but the answer is a consistent No. Too much other work to be done.  Best regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh - it was meant to be a joke as I thought you were already an admin.... Spawn Man 23:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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Cultural depictions of spiders
Amazing rewrite! Well done! Corvus cornix 17:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * More on spiders - agree about text - I stand chastised. Also - agree that vampire has got lots of rubbish - the closer I looked the more i realised it was gonna need an overhaul. Anyway, I have a reference book so can cite everything once done. I also note vampire had some issues as people argued about whether/how much modern stuff should be in it. I'd favour more as that is more in line with the perception of what a vampire is. Been AFK most of teh afternoon. Also spring cleaning and found a werewolf book too...(hehehe)

I'll leave you with vampire then - give me a hoy and I'll come with the refs etc. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

PS: Yer algorithm sounds good - to FA with vampire (eventually) :) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Re noms - generally there'll be one of us who does the brunt of any given article, so we can play chief and indian alternately - you take charge with vampire then I will with the next one etc.


 * PS: I wouldnt worry too much about Kertesz as it will get over with some photos and pages next time. Easy do. I stuffed up one nom iwth Stegosaurus first time round...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Vampire
Yeah, I didn't notice the talk page note until after I'd already made my edit, and that was in large part because things about New England getting messed up/misspelled/misgeographied (Yes, that is now a word.) is a minor pet peeve of mine -- it just happens way too frequently, and I find it particularly stupid, especially considering the people I most often see getting things wrong. That aside, it's good to see someone's finally taking the article under their wing to fix it up, it desperately needs it. I'd offer to help, but I don't know that I'll have enough time for a good long while, so having people rely on me for much probably wouldn't be a good idea. Good luck, though, and I'll continue the quick and easy work of reverting vandalism if/when it occurs while you're working on dealing with the big stuff. -Bbik ★ 08:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The good thing is there are no equivalent FAs in the corresponding section Religion, mysticism and mythology so we have some free reign about headings etc. The previous version was extremely listy with no real overall structure which I can see evolving here - eg - intro, then etymology, then Common traits in folklore within folk beliefs which is equivalent to a description section really and then moving into chronological sections and presumably a section on porphyria or possible explanations etc with movies/literature/films towards the end...(?) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Regarding the folklore section - was trying to synthesise a sentence or two on how our popualr (film etc.) is really a selection of more common traits from a myriad of tales. There'll be a ref for this too. Got alot of stuff on vamps in film etc as well. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Erm...oops...ok, will concentrate on previous....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

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Really cunning idea
I know...once Vampire is in a form where we're happy with the format we'll get werewolf formatted out the same and maybe nominate them at a simialr time...:) - each time we can do a pair of articles with a parallel or simialr format eg 2 colours, 2 foods, etc. hehehe cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't worry -read about Pablo Escobars hippos on the link Jayhenry did - wow....


 * But seriously - 2x2 aritcles in each section - thus: in Religion, mysticism and mythology - vampire & werewolf....2 colours whereever the heck they'll go.... in Chemistry and mineralogy I got loadsa medications to choose from...and, hey jewellery there or if you're sick of that one then maybe Ruby, sapphire corundum, opal, emerald etc.. Food and drink...pork and...dunno...name yer favourite food....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

PS: Speaking of fanged undead, you know firs is on WP: Buffy too, don't you :) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. Spawn Man 06:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Mobbing
You may like to have a look at the chapter "Friendly advice" of the user K. Lásztocska talk page. There is much going on that will be interesting for you. It is concerning a "social editor" who wants to bcome administrator.80.144.89.47 10:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WTF? You make no sense... ??? Spawn Man 23:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Spawn. Sorry you got involved in this. This anon and I have been arguing since mid-February about various issues relating to Franz Liszt and Sigismond Thalberg. Nasty things have been said on both sides, but the difference is that I acknowledge my indiscretions while he persists in claiming that only I am guilty of any offenses. He is apparently offended that I have friends and colleagues here, as he has frequently criticized me for the actions of my colleagues, hence his reference to me as a "social editor." He is incorrect that I want to become an admin--I considered it a few months ago but decided against it for the time being. This whole thing is a long and unpleasant story. K. Lásztocska 02:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * And now Marskell's asked me about Gray Wolf which is at FAR...gah! Which vamp books do you have? The 3 I have I've put in cite format on the vamp reflist cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

10,000 Edits!
Thought you'd be pleased to know I've now amassed 10K Edits! I'm pretty proud; though it'll take me a while to catch up to you Firs. ;) See ya around (I haven't lately...) Regards, Spawn Man 02:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Spawny! That is an important milestone. :) People just don't understand what it takes to make 10,000 edits. As for me, I've mostly been cleaning up annoying spelling errors on Wikipedia. There are at least 10,000 articles which mistake it's for its. A serious attempt at an encyclopedia shouldn't contain so much poor grammar! Anyway, enjoy you milestone. It's such a cool number. :) Firsfron of Ronchester  05:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch Firs! :) Spawn Man 05:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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Clever link - always worth a look
Have you seen this before? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Nevermind...was wondering what had happened. Fangs awayyyyy.......(I guess we'll be saying fangyou very much at nom time a bit) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Angry? What about? Your suggestions at FAC were very helpful - I should have seen them earlier esp the glaring source omission (actually I remember musing on that one before but I got distracted somewhere)..and I got stuck into these little blue critters which I see in my garden, and these other ones so plenty a-happening...no worries really cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

RFA Thanks!
Thanks for your participation for my RFA bid and for your support.--JForget 23:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

From Astronomy to Gastronomy
Actually Potato has a pretty good basis for an FA though needs some significant reorganization. One of my favourite foods along with pork....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * For a chuckle read this...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Lol, I never knew Jimbo wrote articles. Personally, I think he should just stay out of the project altogether - everytime he's in a discussion people either take his words as gospel or oppose him because they don't think his words should be taken as gospel. He can't win so I think he should just stay away from the project - it's running well on its own and he's done the hard yards, we can do the rest. Was funny though... :) Spawn Man 01:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Smooth coarea formula
I'm puzzled as to why you nominated smooth coarea formula for deletion. It does tell the lay reader in the first three words that mathematics is what it is about, and your proposed reasons for deletion would seem to apply equally to virtually any of the articles listed at---for example---List of mathematics articles (E). Michael Hardy 23:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * ... oh---I see: the context-setting was added later. Michael Hardy 23:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:AN
Re: your comment, you had previously said, "we shouldn't be arguing whether or not it is offensive until Gracenotes comments". If you wanted to wait "until Gracenotes comments", then why did you bring it to WP:AN before he commented? You seemed to be contradicting your own action. I don't know about the other two times you were scorned at WP:AN but this time it seems like you put the cart before the horse. If a comment appears insulting to any editor X but you're not sure, and X is an active editor, then point it out to X and let X come to WP:AN. That's my two cents. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

To answer your question: it's naught to do with what you suggest (others' interpretations are on the mark). It's an inside joke, a glib motif, a wry irony&mdash;with an editor who has, unfortunately for Wikipedia, since left. Thank you for your concern, regardless. Grace notes T § 01:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

An apology
I am deeply sorry that I offended you, that was never my intention. As a sort of excuse, I've had a splitting headache all day long and are probably coming down with a flu, so I have been rather cranky. I did not mean you to be a "Soviet supporter", but as you probably are not aware, Eastern European and Baltic editors have been harassed for a long time by group of pro-Soviets. They are staying mostly within Wikipedia rules with tagging articles, RfC's that don't lead anywhere, AN/I reports, revert warring, baseless accusations and attacks, checkuser cases etc. Probably twenty or more editors have been driven away like that during last year, being their latest victim so far - you can get more information about that him and that group from administrator. -- Sander Säde  16:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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Order of headings on Vampire
Incidentally, are you happy with the order of headings and subheadings on vampire? Shall I put those on werewolf the same way yet or hold off a bit? Do you wanna stick cite needed tags where you need refs so I can ferret out some refs yet? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Devil...(only one response really..) ...hell yeah! Question is which one? Monster of a dab page. Anyway, first up, which vamp book you got?cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually..maybe holding off on a choice may be prudent until we see how big vampire gets. I thought wight/wraith etc. maybe too small, and vamp would be a good size, but it may get really big. In which case werewolf is a nice well circumscribed thing..but devil may get awful nebulous...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh frig! I dunno! ummm...let's see how big vampire gets, I have a good grasp n diabolical and lycanthropine folklore so I'll withold making a decision post-haste...also thought of dragon....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Arty stuff
I think the last exchange was productive and has been constructive, so I wouldn't worry too much. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The new bit is good, just what I thought the article needed too. Should be all good now. Look at the FAC for Peterborough though....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

odd clause?
Hi. the "which hindered prose ..." clause here:"In the early years of his lengthy career, his then-unorthodox camera angles, which hindered prose descriptions of his works, and his unwillingness to compromise his personal photographic style prevented his work from gaining wider recognition.

What does it mean? Why should a camera angle of any sort make "prose descriptions" (you mean "verbal descriptions"?) difficult? Why would you want to describe his work in prose in the first place, or if you did, why should such a mode be privileged by such prominence in the article. Artists usually hate paraphrasing/description of their work.

The sentence is much better without these seven words, don't you think? Tony  (talk)  13:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

RFL of "List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes"
Hi. I put the request in RFA - I didn't know there was one specifically for lists until another user told me. I also messed up the original listing at RFA which I realised myself.. I messed up, I know, I know! Maybe that's what you meant by "nominating several articles"? Anyway, hope it's all fixed now, and if you could comment at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes, that'd be super awesome! -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's okay, everyone messes up sometimes. As for my "nominating several articles" comment, I said that because I could have sworn I'd seen another FAC nomination by you. But looking back, I can't find it, so I guess I was mistaken. Anyway, thanks for the reply - you moved it just as I was noting that it should be at FLC. Cheer Matthew. Spawn Man 05:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Public image limited - unsuitable user name
I dont know if this is relevant or not, but public image limited was a musical group from UK, so maybe thats where that users name originated from.Sennen goroshi 19:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * Please do not vandalise my talk page, even if it was well intentioned. :) I am well aware of the guidelines in regard to fake message bars - they were under the section User_page of the user page guidelines. This section however, has been removed. In any case, the original text there stated that they were "discouraged" not illegal to have. The bar provides a link to my user boxes which wouldn't see the light of day other wise and I like the colour. :) The only other reason is that it supposedly wastes other's time and it's against other's personal taste. If I'm at an RfA, I'll remove it, but seeing as how I don't plan to run for adminship any time soon, I'm quite happy leaving it where it is. If you read the user page guidelines, it also states that one should discuss a user page issue with the editor before deleting any material - however both times someone's deleted the user box, they've deleted before noting it to me (The last guy didn't tell me until I replaced the user box). Also in the guidelines it says that user page parts should only be deleted after community consensus; although I've had people say they hate the message bar (Some even emailing me stating they won't post on a talk page which has one - which is kinda silly really), I've also had people say they like the message bar and either want it on their page or want to say how cool it is. I know the guidelines - I'd like to see the official proof that says I'm not ever allowed to have one on my user page. Maybe if people followed the guidelines they preach and discussed things over with me before deleting, maybe I'd be more receptive. Thanks for the sincerity Donato - maybe you'd like to partake in a discussion on the matter? Cheers, Spawn Man 04:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * At least it doesn't give false meassages any more, which is better but still not a great fan :P GDonato (talk) 16:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It is quite rude to refer to another user's good-faith edits as "vandalism" in an edit summary. I've also restored the relevant section to the userpage guideline; thank you for bringing it to my attention.  That said, I'm not about to edit war with you over something on your own user page.  The fact that you obviously know that it annoys many people and refuse to correct it yourself is disheartening, but oh well.  Cheers, &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 03:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for that - I hit the undo button & I automatically go into "Revert vandalism" mode. :) As I said, in time I'll get rid of it, but not just yet. And again though, no one came and asked me first if I'd remove it; you just removed it first. Thanks for your concern Dr.Nick. Hmm, I'm glad you readded the section which was missing - I wonder why it was removed? Spawn Man 04:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well that's understandable, and I appreciate the apology. I just removed it knowing that you would read the edit summary.  I didn't realize that there was already a thread on here about it, or I would have just rolled my eyes and let it alone.  Asking you to remove it yourself seems more instead of just fixing it myself seem more condescending to me, but everyone has their own preferences about their user pages.  :)  As for the missing section, it was removed without much fanfare a couple of months ago by user, along with some other sections.  Who knows?  &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 05:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * One person restoring a guideline (which ≠ policy by the way) for a personal agenda does not make a message bar illegal. I myself do not personally agree with Spawn Man's message bar, but I would not remove a part of his user page or talk header, unless it said something like "I HATE BLACK PEOPLE" or "HELP ME IN MY QUEST TO KILL ALL JEWS" or something like that, because that is prohibited by policy, as well as cultural taboo. If it is discouraged but not against policy, you cannot remove it on any just grounds. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You hate black people and Jews!!?? ;) Spawn Man 04:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * On the contrary, most of them are easier to be around than white people. ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, what's wrong with white people eh??! ;) Spawn Man 04:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You're just trying to push me into a hole. :P &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Lol. Where have you been Springy? I haven't seen you around in ages! Spawn Man 05:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review
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re: ??
The point about support votes needing stronger rationales comes chiefly from people who, in my opinion, oppose far too often on too flimsy reasons. What they regulatly overlook is the fact that because of the necessary ~75 percent support ratio, an oppose automatically weighs around 2.5 times more than a support (assuming the closing 'crat considers them equally justified). That, and the rationale to support is supposed to be presented in the nomination itself. If someone can find additional good reasons to support a candidate, that's of course nice, but it is not necessary.

However, you should probably view my comment in light of the fact that I'm a regular supporter. Trustability is all that matters to me, and if I don't judge potential misuse (be it inadvertent or intentional) to be likely, I always support (even if I don't particularly like the candidate for some reason).

But since the debates at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and Removal of adminship started, I've heard veterans comment to the effect that community consensus as to trust a candidate or not is not considered very important. Maybe I, too, should adjust my standards and be more critical of candidates in the future, to help facilitate an imo necessary change with regard to adminship for life. OTOH, I wouldn't want to become one of those idiotic point commenters. Not sure how to proceed. Currently, I'm just a tad frustrated because I always thought that RfA was indeed a somewhat important process, and that community opinion and consensus held at least some weight with the upper echelons. But apparently it doesn't, judging from what I hear and read. — Dorftrottel⁠ 16:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sort key
I could easily have fixed that myself, of course. But I wanted to make sure that I got your attention, as a creator or major contributor to articles, for future reference. And more important, I hoped to call it to the attention of those who follow the good article candidates; maybe some of them will take a look at future candidates and help get rid of some of those who are actually more likely to end up out of place in the category listings than the one we are dealing with is, because it was a few letters into the last name before any problem would occur. Gene Nygaard 01:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Fangs very much
Nah, not angry. Actually been hopping on and off for brief sorties onto WP for past 2 days and meant to write before now. Barber book is really interesting and nearyl finished it. Frustrating as atributes are sorted by ways to kill/apotropaics etc in chapters rather than geography. Slow progress but fun. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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Soultans
Hey Spawn Man, when you get a chance, please see if you can add some sources to your article on the Soultans--a little something to show notability. They have a couple of LPs listed on the All Music Guide, but no reviews. I suspect some of the sources (if they're out there) are in German. Thanks, -MrFizyx 21:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

a different type of barnstar....
Yeah, you've actually got FAs in two categories which is one more than me. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Controversy
Funny how as soon as you go anywhere near anything even a tad controversial the fun starts...there could be some more heading our way with our toothy baby sometime....I was just trying to polish up and push through some nearly completed articles I'd been working on with Banksia spinulosa through and the little blue critter not looking too bad. I'd like to do Werewolf to partner vampire really too. This symbols book also has loads of stuff on colour symbolism I found out as I was flicking through it too....so I can add. My Noah idea was 2 supernatural, 2 colours, 2 cities (Sydney, say, and an NZ one), 2 foods etc. - that way making the templates is easier....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok then I'll choose Green, you choose a colour too and I can start checking over the symbolism. If it seems too hard we can leave tehm partly reffed and go onto Pork.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hi
Hi Spawn Man, yes I see you here. Dave Crosby 17:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See ya around then. :) Spawn Man 23:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

editcountitis
I got over 400 edits on Lion - I'm thinking Vampire may need the same. But anyway, I feel better now some folks have helped out. I did a bit on pork but a more pressing food one is Agaricus bisporus aka the common everyday mushroom (y'know, kept in the dark and fed shit?) - I know you'll plead ignorance on the scientific part but I'm expecting the main part to be about all the foodey stuff (cultivation/ccoking etc.) - any input on that would be most welcome...pork'll need alot of work. I find with some of the bigger tasks coming and going helps - all of lion, Red-tailed Black Cockatoo, Banksia spinulosa and [Superb Fairy-wren]] I left for periods after having a mental block on how to proceed and then came back to some time later. I feel more confident with vampire than i did with these aways back. The mushroom one has me a bit frsutrated though. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Replied to your comment on my talk page. Raul654 05:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Psychodynamic_understanding of vampires
Let me know if you think this makes sense..cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree
The history of vampires part 1 heading is not a serious edit, in that I don't expect it to survive. It simply highlights the function of the section in the current revision. It is a history section, there are other history sections, but I can't work out which goes with which or, in fact, how many there actually are.

The subdivisions, on the other hand, were serious edits. I still think they could be changed and reordered, added to or moved to other sections, however, they highlight the logic of a generally well researched and well written section; whereas the history heading is there to point out the lack of overall logic (in the current revision's arrangement).

Actually, my hope was that the improvement of one section would motivate improvement of the whole article. Just a few headings and reorderings can make the whole thing look 200% better (I'm not exaggerating).

So please get in there and do what you like. My edit was based on the fact that I expect it to be reverted, not on a desire to provide a definitive structure myself. Cheers. Alastair Haines 07:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Update
OK while you're twiddling your thumbs I haven't anything much on the Americas and Mexico, we also have the german Nachzehrer, and Mexican Tlahuelpuchi to consider incorporating into article. I am adding refs and figuring what to do with film/lit and all the corpse stuff and more folklore inclusively. Also, this Vampire Film book mentions some art - some older than 75 years should be copyright-free - Clovis Touille - Le Reve vampyr and Mon Tombeau, also Felicien Rops. Saw some folk images - do google images and check. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Here was some more stuff I highlighted as something worth chasing. Also there is a long essay on the Carmilla article, so there's plenty to do while waiting...or we can continue to argue pointlessly. I have to get off the keyboard now. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Vamps
This is not a POV. The last poster on the request for comment even noticed that I was right. Theres a whole host of scholarship that refutes the claim made by the article that Lilith as Adam's first wife is somehow "ancient" and in the OT, but was omitted. The reference made that Lilith was omitted from the OT and thereby never appears is likewise incorrect and she appears in Isa. 34:14.

Heres multiple lists of links provide that state that the story first appears in the Alphabet of Ben Sira and is in no way connected to some tradition of Lilith's omition in the OT.

On a overview of most sources on Lilith, specifically this is about her as Adam's first wife.

More of Lilith's history.

[http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=421&letter=L&search=lilith Jewish encyclopedia. Notice not one mention of any OT text that were omitted, how curious.]

A great citation for anything Lilith

And as for Wikipedia:

Lilith's wiki Ben sira's wiki and text on Lilith in its entirity.

And lastly, the vampire book provides no citations where this idea comes from, which is something to watch for. And you have not provided a reason to why Lilith wouldn't been omitted nor evidence to support this claim. In fact the amulets you cite are dated from the medieval period and support Ben sira & not your claims.  Xuchilbara 02:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry Spawny - I think she has a point - Alastair has wirtten a good bit too. Let's leave it the way she's written. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * PS: Please count to 10 before posting any replies - if you can get through this this will be a big shiny 'plus' for a future RfA dude. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Relax, its okay. It's a minor point in the scheme of things and it's great that folks with a real interest in the area are getting stuck in. This article was always going to have a few of these and there'll be a few more before (and during) FAC no doubt. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Will you grow up?? For ****'s sake she got one minor fact on Lilith and you nearly lose it. I rearrange a couple of things and you lose the plot. (I made medieval segue into folkloric stuff now anyway) I slow down and you moan about the rate and now I do stuff and you moan about being left behind. You tell me not to talk to you and I don't and you moan again (?!).


 * Let's start again - right, I have enjoyed working on vampire and continue to do so - I think it is coming together really well but after a huge one like lion I can see there is alot to do. No biggie. If you want to calm down and be constructive then great. However I am not going to buy into this issue any further. The ball's in your court. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * (big breath) - she merely commented on and added some material she clearly has read alot about and in more depth than you or me. Spawny all these talk pages are public and she's posted on mine so I would guess there's a fair chance it's on her watchlist so you really need to be careful about what you say...it's all good. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, that is your interpretation of events. And different to mine. Please stop bringing it back to your ego and hurts. If you can't see that what you wrote could be interpreted badly by the person it was written about then I can't add anything to the matter and let's get back to article building. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Apology accepted - been busy AFK myself...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Me with foot in my mouth
Spawn, I liked you just for taking on the Vamp project. Now I check your page, I see you are an amazing contributor. And a New Zealander. Dammit mate, sorry we've gone backwards and forwards on things with you. I feel like an amateur looking at what you've achieved here, and this can't have been the first time nitpickers have thrown up speed humps.

Anyway, I'll shut up, I'm feeling all I do is spoil things. Alastair Haines 06:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. OK, I'll stop feeling guilty. I'll do what I can with the article, of course. Have a drink on me, and "Don't let the bastards get you down." (Common Aussie phrase) ;) Alastair Haines 07:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Adminship?
Hi Spawn Man. I have been complaining about how we don't have enough admins, and in a (sadly, brief) moment of self-reflection, I have decided instead of complaining, I should do something about it. So, I have picked out a few likely candidates who I think would sail through RFA, and am going to ask them all the same question - would you like me to nominate you for adminship?

I know you are still on the coaching page, but really, I have no doubt that you are more than capable, and more than ready. If you would like any advice or "coaching" for a brief period beforehand, let me know - although I really don't think you need it. Either way, let me know. Best, Neil   ☎  10:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. If you want to leave it for a few months, I would be happy to nominate you when you feel you are ready. In the interim, I am happy to do any coaching - how are you most comfortable doing it (giggle), and what would you like to focus on?   Neil   ☎  09:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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PS: Have a look at Green now.....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Key points in vamp fiction
OK - 3 key points are: Byron wrote a fragment Polidori wrote The Vampyre (from famous contest, also misattributed to Byron, though inspired by him) Varney gets written later

You're welcome to play with it and trim down a bit. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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My RfA
I think I didn't answered my question 5 so well so I have clarified my wordings on question 5 of my RfA. Please read my clarifications to see if you wish to switch your stance. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your support.
Especially for noticing the quality of my edits over the quantity. I appreciate that.

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Update on vampire
I find that with some of the truly long articles, like lion, and also some others I've worked on like Banksia spinulosa, I reached a fatigue point where I needed a little break just to gather thoughts and ruminate for a bit before jumping in refreshed. vampire is a huge job as it didn't have a format like the other bio articles I've worked on etc. I also have to do a Powerpoint presentation for Friday night so am a bit sidetracked currently. The more I think about pork I think it is a bit of a mess. Also, I am going to be quizzed on poisonous fungi on monday for a game show so have been sprucing those articles to jog my memory too (with a couple more DYKs and maybe a GA or FAC in the middle with some articles I built up). I think modelling blue on green is worthwhile though it would be good to wait until the latter has gone thru FAC maybe....

Potato and maize were two others I mused upon. Have a look at them too. The AHS I'm unconvinced about and have not heard anything outside of sci-fi...oh, I'd mused on doing great Cthulhu at some point too. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * hell no, I love pork - I haven't eaten beef for 10 years out of paranoia about BSE but pork I couldn't live without.....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 15:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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busy
Don't worry about vampire, when I did lion I came and went and this required alot more work that that one, lion was easier in terms of what should go in or not. I am going to be tied up for a bit and am reducing wikitime..but will keep an eye on it. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hey, Spawn Man. Haven't seen you for ages. I was wondering, since it's been a year since your last RFA, if you'd like to run again. Just drop me a line at my talk page and tell me, no matter what your decision. Cheers,  bibliomaniac 1  5  00:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


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I am thinking more along the lines of some core article or other, one which is in a sorry state but many are quite good well a good one may be a good idea too....Anyway we'll finish up vampy in December so don't worry. Now to look at core articles....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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Nburden's RFA
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Pelagosaurus
Hey Spawn, your new article about Pelagosaurus looks good except the part where you are citing the palaeos page. The description there refers to the thalattosuchia as a group and not to Pelagosaurus in particular and is based on such genera as Metriorhynchus, Geosaurus, Dakosaurus, etc... Pelagosaurus is actually the most primitive member of the group and it is unclear that if it has a fin tail as the more evolved members of the group. It has features like the plate like scutes covering the body as in Teleosaurus and the other crocodilians, but were lost in all other Thalattosuchia. It is untrue to say that it is one of the rare archosaurs to be fully aquatic as this statement refers to the Thalattosuchia in general. You might want to consult with User:Mark t young who has studied these critters extensively. Otherwise good job! Cheers. ArthurWeasley (talk) 06:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Soultans
Thanks for your work. I figured they were notable and that it was just a matter of finding sources to show it. You've certianly done that. The thing that led me to the page was that someone was trying to reserve the title Mike Marshall (musician) for the guy in the Soultans. I felt that the title should go to the mandolinist Mike Marshall. I still feel this is correct since there doesn't appear to be much info on individual Soultans members. Let me know if you disagree with that. Regards -MrFizyx 16:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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