User talk:Spawn Man/Archive9

Articles
I'll try and think of some things and get them to you tommorrow.--Peta 07:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yay! Peta's the awesomest awesome in awesome history, righteous! Spawn Man 07:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll be sending a good paper on Segisaurus which you could use to expand the stub, one on Sphagesaurus huenei a crocodile fossil and one with a New Zealand connection - Mauisaurus haasti, a Plesiosaur. These should keep you busy, and if you want others just let me know.--Peta 07:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually the crocodile file is too huge, so I won't be sending it.--Peta 08:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much Peta! This should keep me busy for a while. Don't worry bout the croc though. Thanks again! Spawn Man 21:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC) P.S. Although I'll call the Mauisaurus haasti just Mauisaurus, cause it's already been listed that way on a couple of pages & Janjucetus was listed that way too... :)

Survey dealt with at last
Hi & sorry for delay - here's my response (pretty straight-bat, I'm afraid, as I haven't been around for very long). As ever, I can never go thru' a whole survey with straight answers - there's always at least one question that has to have a sort of 'maybe' type answer - it's number 6 on your survey. Still, no sweat - hope it's useful. Ballista 20:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Review...!
Hiii... I sat down and wrote my first ever review! On the Editors.. I left it on the Reviews talk page and fix it up in any way you can. Hope its good.! :-) Jayant, 17 Years, India  • contribs 13:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Collation of first survey results?
when can we expect same? thanks! ++Lar: t/c 14:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Um, yeah. Random talk page postage is much fun. And I've always loved those userboxes, so many to choose from and so informative; I don't know why so many don't like them. Um, Sarawak? Yeah...I haven't been caving in such a looooooooooooooong time, and I've just come back from a tour of Europe so... Lady BlahDeBlah 20:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Polls
If you like them, check out General User Survey, where every bit of help counts.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Huh? -- Spawn Man

Re: Poll and Happy Birthday
Thanks for the lovely birthday wishes, Spawnie. :D My survey results are as follows: Cheers,  Sango 123  23:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No problemo! Spawn Man 23:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * First off, thanks for your help on answering a question that was posted on my talk page. As for the screenshot, paste it into a new file in Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Paint, or whatever image editing software you have, save it (as, for example, a .png or .jpg), and compress it if you can before uploading. That should be about it. Hopes this helps,  Sango 123  22:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well it didn't at first, but then I figured it out! Thanks for your help Sango, once again! It's a bit low resolution though, is it meant to be like that? Suppose it is anyway. Thanks Sango! Spawn Man 22:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC). [[image:SFriendly.gif|25px]]

GA icon
How's this?  Sango 123  20:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Exce-al-lento! Thanks once again Sango... Spawn Man 10:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

New Ichthyosaur
Would you like the article? --Peta 02:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
By the way, keep the surveys coming, and if you need any ideas for questions (if you're running out, etc.), feel free to leave a message on my talk page and I'll have a go at thinking of some. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 04:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the barnstars, I thought i'd never get one —Argentino (talk/cont.) 20:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Sorry I disappeared... it really just had too much stuff going on this summer to contribute much here. I tried for awhile but it just wasn't coming together. But never fear, summer's over, and I'm back now. I'll probably start off a bit slow but I'm back. Sheep81 21:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Welcome back... Spawn Man 10:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

The Halo's RfA



 * No problemo matey potatey! I hope you'll get more mainspace edits cause when you're next RFA comes up, I'll support... Spawn Man 10:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Your editor review
Hi, and thanks for the message on my talk page. I've replied to your concern at your editor review page, although another user beat me to the punch by a few seconds. We've each provided reasons why we think involvement in the AfD process would help you as an administrator, but I thought I should just take the time to emphasise something again:

WP:AFD is not a deletion-market, or showtrial, or anything similar. The process is designed specifically to invite scrutiny over articles that one user thinks should be deleted - thus, votes to keep the article are more important than those to delete it. Your involvement there, even if you don't think many articles should be deleted, would be very valuable. Daveydw ee b ( chat/patch ) 23:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

No need to be sorry
Hey Spawn Man, thanks for the nice, encouraging message. Don't worry, I don't hold any kind of grudge against you, you were doing what you thought was best for wikipedia, and that deserves respect, not anger :) And replying to everyone personally certainly did take a bit of time (but, I'd say it was time well spent ;)

As far as the Nathan thing, I'm sorry, but I'd prefer not to talk about it, especially on wiki. It is still causing bad feelings now, and I'd prefer to let the issue drop, and get on with work. Sorry I can't be more helpful :(

Thanks once again for the message, and I hope that I can improve enough to meet yours and every elses standards when my next RfA comes round.

Th ε Halo Θ 12:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. That issue must be a biggy! I'm never gonna find out am I....? Spawn Man 23:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza!
Welcome, Spawn Man, to Esperanza! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

Now that you are a member you should read the guide to what to do now or you may be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is Stressbusters, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. We will send you newsletters to keep you up to date. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.

In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Proposals.

If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact Natalya by email or talk page. Consider introducing yourself at the Esperanza talk page! Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). If you're new to IRC, you may find help at an IRC tutorial. I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to work!

Sasuk e  -kun  27  12:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Userboxen
Hey Spawnie, sorry I couldn't leave a clear explanation as to what I was doing with your userpage. All of my recent edits have been made hastily in between homework assignments when no one's looking, so I apologize for some of my sloppy work. And it was still the 24th in my time zone at 2:00 UTC, so don't worry about bugging me on my birthday (kidding). ;) Well, thanks muchly for your lovely birthday wishes and the GD Barnstar, and welcome to Esperanza! Cheers,  Sango 123  20:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's no problemo Sango! They're not counted as sloppy if I couldn't do it myself anyway. ;) Thanks so much, Happy Birthday too! Spawn Man 21:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

blocked?
Yeah - typo - thanks for spotting it - you're right in assuming I've never been blocked. Thanks - Ballista 03:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't believe him, Spawn Man. I've blocked him myself more than a dozen times! He's a tricky one... ;) Firsfron of Ronchester  04:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza/User Page Award
Congratulations, Spawn Man, you have been nominated for the Esperanza User Page Contest! The judges have received the fifteen entries, and are ready to start judging. The judges will take a week to complete the judging process, and they will contact all the participants when the judging is done.

Please drop by the contest page for contest updates and questions. Take care, and good luck! Daniel.Bryant 07:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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D'oh!
You should know that you have fooled my with your trick at the top. But, I am a good sport, and so I award you the following award: The Official A Kitten Is About To Kill You Award. Congrats! Dooms Day34  9  02:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome for the kitten. What do you mean, Wikipedia is throwing your religion?  Also, aren't you gonna add the image to your userpage, instead of just the message?  I'll do it for you, you can change if you really don't want the kitten.   Dooms  Day34  9  19:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yar! My beautiful kitten doesn't seem to be showing up in your gallery!  What foul magic is this, eh?  You'll just have to put it in some other place of honor...:)  Dooms  Day34  9  20:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it is my browser...whatever. Enjoy the kitten!  Dooms  Day34  9  19:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Poll 1 - Wikipedian relationships
Hey! Where was my poll? :) I'm so. Hurt. *fake tears* You don't love me. Anymore! lol --Woohookitty(meow) 00:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but you've changed since then. You are still my only success story, i.e. someone I blocked who actually reformed. That's sad when you realize that I've been an admin for 16 months. Oh well. --Woohookitty(meow) 10:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I was hardly a baddy when I got blocked. ;) Thanks WHK, Spawn Man 01:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!
Wow thanks a bunch Nauticashades! I'm extremely surprised! Is the a lots of barnstars award for the lots of barn stars award too? ;) Thanks a lot! Spawn Man 22:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Userbox replacement proposal
Reasons: Hopelessly POV. Does not apply to this user in any way, shape, or form; utterly redundant.

Suggestions:

Proposed by: someone who doesn't hate you!.

Supported by: Everyone at

— E ditor at L arge  ( speak )  17:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for the thought, but I feel that the other user boxen would be wrong, as some people do hate me with avengence, but certainly not everyone though. If you created a "Whether or not this user is hated is currently 50/50" or something like that, i'd use it... ;) Thanks a bunch! Spawn Man 22:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

— E ditor at L arge  ( speak )  23:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Awww! He's soo cute! I'll take your proposal into consideration & reply by the end of the week... ;) I never knew you guys liked me that much lol... Spawn Man 23:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Great work!
For being one of the few people brave enough to have a teal background on their userpages, and for such brilliant work on dinosaur-related articles, I award you this highly redundant thumbs-up. Why redundant? Because you've already got more barnstars than I could ever deserve! :) Regards, &mdash; riana_dzast a  05:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Caption Competition
P.S. Where do you want your Coffee? Dfrg.m s c 1. 2 . 3 06:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats on winning the prize with me! Who woulda thought we would tie considering mine weren't even as funny as yours?? Great work CN... Spawn Man 23:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha, not even so! Yours were great! Congrats, my friend! - Che  Nuevara  02:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

New Song!
Hii!

I am back with another song..! Although this time it was only me and my brother. I played the guitar (everything including the rhythm and the solo :-P and my bro wrote the lyrics and also did the vocals. the songs called Out of Focus. Give it a listen if ya can and leave your thoughts on it. :-)

Heres the links for both streaming and direct downloading:

Stream it

Direct Download from Geocities

Thanks a lot!

Cheers!

P.S.: I didnt wanna clutter your talk page by pasting the lyrics even though they are a little hard to understand due to the quality of the recording. Gimme a shout if you want the lyrics or if you have any problems while listening. Thanks a lot again!

Jayant, 17 Years, India  • contribs 17:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Wellington Region Japanese Role-Play Contest (2005)
I have nominated for deletion Wellington Region Japanese Role-Play Contest (2005) as I believe it is not notable. --Midnighttonight remind to go do uni work! 23:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably right... delete the moth of fricker!!!! Spawn Man 22:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC) :)

Questions
How old are you?

PS The "You have new messages" thingy should be removed; I had it once and somebody said I should remove it.  •S  e  an•gorter•  (T) (P) 12:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza User Page Award
Greetings, Spawn Man. The judges would like to announce that the winner for the Esperanza User Page Contest has been chosen. Congratulations to MacGyverMagic  for winning the contest. The winning entry can be found here.

If you'd like to participate in the contest again, check by the contest page in a few days and sign up. See you around. Daniel.Bryant 10:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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Stegosaurus
Hi Spawn Man!

I'm planning to send Stegosaurus to Featured Article candidacy. The article failed its first nomination, but user:Casliber and I have been hard at work fixing stuff. As you're the de facto head of WikiProject Dinosaurs, I figured I'd drop you a line and see if there was anything you thought should be added/removed/cited on the article before it is sent to FAC. We definitely want it to pass! :)

(Feel free to make any edits on the article itself, comment on the talk page, or leave a note on my talk page). Thanks for your time, Firsfron of Ronchester  19:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note and your fix here. I'll try to take all your advice; I have contacted Sheep, but no reply just yet. The sections have been expanded to the point where the article is now just as long as any of our other FAs (except T-rex), and I can show that via word count if anyone objects. Cas has been making scads of edits, and I expect he'll be nearby during the FA-ing process. I'll work on the pop culture section as you suggest. Thanks again, Firsfron of Ronchester  22:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Dino Collaboration stand-in
OK, I would be happy to coordinate the Collaboration for a bit then. Have been owrking on other fun stuff like Fungi, Psychiatry and Banksias but can steer it for a bit until some one else feelsd rejuvenated. Looks like everyone's gone off teh boil a bit though, cheers Cas Liber 23:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I have an idea. Will post on collaboration but gotta go now as work beckons...............Cas Liber 04:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, check this out as an idea - putting all past successful nominees through the meat-grinder (like electing a pope really), to see which is our 2nd tier effort (as this is where the log-jam is). The nomination should coincide with Stegosaurus on the FAC...Cas Liber 10:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I had the second tier idea, but..........erm...................how do I take Hypsilophodon and Allosaurus off? Where is the page which links them to the template........(embarrassed shuffling of feet) Cas Liber 09:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The idea is as you thought, to get some of the half-baked articles worked on again. I think the 2 weekly collaborations diluted efforts possibly (or may be really good in the long run to work up a bunch and then folk could see what they wanted to work on...). The reason I don't just put them chronologically is I don't think there is the energy among all members to do them all in the short to mid-term and I think some articles have a lot more potential than others, but I may be wrong. I thought Stegosaurus would be an easy one but it was challenging to make the article interesting; it just sort of went a bit pear shaped. I think the best chance is to see which one garners the most enthusiasm, given this appears to be in short supply currently - (Diplodocus 1 to 0,0,0,0.....), though I note Allosaurus and Triceratops have been played with a bit. I have now altered the template but nothing has changed elsewhere...Cas Liber 08:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Votes
Hello! I noticed that you are a member of WikiProject Plants. Therefore you may be interested in supporting the nomination of Cactus to the Article Improvement Drive. There are woefully few plant articles among the featured articles. Furthermore, Cactus definitely deserves a better article. this is our chance! If you agree, you can suppost the nomination at the AID page. --Chino 04:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

My review
Thank you for your comments. It is not always easy to accept constructive critisicm sometimes, but I will attempt to and remain civil. Firstly, I agree with your diagnosis of the two types of Wikipedians as being social and active writers. You seem to have caught me at a bad time in editing; I am waiting on a major Dragonlance book before I begin going back to doing a lot of writing on the topic. I am also waiting on the Warriors novels before I begin a rewrite of the articles and adding more articles. I realize it has been about a month before I have substantially edited, but I will be coming back with a vengeance. If you'll look at WP:WPDL's tasklist, you'll see a list of articles that need creating and improving, all of which I plan to do as soon as I get this novel. Luckily, it is coming in next Tuesday, and I will begin updating several articles then. You have to understand that in my particular area of writing, Dragonlance, there are few active contributors and, frankly, I am possibly the most active, if not the most experienced. However, I have to read books before I can edit; whereas when I read the core novels I could write three or four articles at a time, I now need to read a whole novel before creating even one article or updating an existing one. I remind you of my previous contributions to Dragonlance (removing 40 stubs, as well as improving many existing articles) and ask you to consider those before labelling me a "social user". Not that I am not proud of my status as an active Esperanzian; where would we be if no one ever talked to each other and let off steam? But, in any case, I thank you for the review and will take your comments into consideration. Thank you.  Dooms Day  349    ''' Happy Halloween! ''' 21:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * In addition, I would like to let you know that I am becoming active in AFD (I recently nominated two articles, one of which will most likely be kept and the other deleted) and have voted in several. I am also beginning to RC patrol a bit, but mostly in my time off from normal editing. Thanks.   Dooms  Day  349     Happy Halloween!  21:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Stegosaurus
Hey Spawn Man! Nomination away! :) Feel free to support or oppose. Firsfron of Ronchester  00:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Japanese writing
A couple questions. You're computer is able to actually see the Japanese text, right? It's not just a bunch of boxes? And do you use Microsoft Windows and which version? -Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 07:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Your concerns
Thank you for your feedback on my RfA (and for fixing that mixing d on my user page btw). I think that I should comment on your concerns. I did not do a "great" work on the Portuguese Wikipedia, I was a modest contributor with no maintenance intervention. In no way I wanted to seem like those users who parachute on the English Wikipedia and attempt an RfA just for credit on sister projects. This is the place where I've learned virtually everything I know about WP and it is solely my participation on en-WP that I ask to be evaluated. As for the article building, I confirm your fears. I'm not an editor savant, and I'm not particularly proud of my mainspace records. I've been trying to compensate with the portal space, which I really seem to enjoy working on. And I'm thinking of creating WikiProject Skyscrapers which will hopefully be the turning point for my article building laziness. But until then, I have no choice but to acknowledge your criticism. :-) Regards.-- Hús  ö  nd  03:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I won't disappoint you. By the way, this was actually the first time I've mentioned WikiProject Skyscrapers (although I commented about it with another editor on IRC), so thanks to you my intention is now registered and I will really have to start working on it. Yikes! :-) Best regards and have a great week as well.-- Hús  ö  nd  03:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
 Thank you for participating in my RfA discussion! I appreciate you contributing your voice to the debate and its outcome. I hope how I wield the mop makes you proud. &mdash; Saxifrage


 * I voted neutral, but hey, just doing my part... ;) Spawn Man 23:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

A question
I am a Deletionist.

You are an Inclusionist.

I think, however, you should be an admin, since your idea of Inclusionism is to give the benefit of the doubt to an article, not to simply keep everything no matter it's relative worth.

Would you accept a nomination? --Shrieking Harpy  TalkundefinedCount 05:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I intend to nominate you immediately. There's a long and short answer to my deletionism, and I'm still working on a personal essay, but the short of it is this: I'm a deletionist becuase I think Wikipedia is a wonderful place, but all to often in my wanderings I run into crap. First it irritated me, then outraged me. --<font color="LightSteelBlue">Shrieking Harpy [[Image:Gay_flag.svg|17px]] TalkundefinedCount 07:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

A longer answer
I think that knowledge is precious, and that what WP does is very laudable. I also think it's too easy for some people to ignore the technical and practical aspects of things in lieu of what's being worked on. Over a million articles, and god knows how many users pages, subpages, policy pages....working in CVG gets you jaded very quickly. You get angry at these ... children ... pissing in your heart's work.

And so you cut out the crap, and then you begin cutting out the stuff that doesn't belong, and someone who means well makes a suggestion about expansion, and you try to listen. And the article never gets expanded, and so you prod it, and someone screams bad faith, and it turns into a gigantic cluster fuck, and at that point, you begin to hear a little whisper in your head.

Burn it all, the whisper says. Delete and Salt. And you find yourself nodded grimly.

At least, I do. Still, admins should NOT be deletionists, ever, which is why I have nominated you. I have a self-made userbox on my page that says I should NEVER be considered for administration, becuase I would delete too much. Inclusionists can act as a gentle break on Deletionists.

Anyway, you have my support. Good luck. --<font style="background:black"><font color="LightSteelBlue">Shrieking Harpy  TalkundefinedCount 08:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin Nomination
<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="afd" style="margin: 0 5%; padding: 0 7px 7px 7px; background: #FFFAEF; border: 1px solid #999999; text-align: left; font-size:95%;"> Elaragirl would like to nominate you to be an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Elaragirl to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Requests for adminship/. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.


 * You deserve it. So far, so good. --<font style="background:black"><font color="LightSteelBlue">Shrieking Harpy [[Image:Gay_flag.svg|17px]] TalkundefinedCount 13:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA
I've added some questions to your RfA. When you have a moment I'd appreciate if you would take a look at them. Thanks. JoshuaZ 19:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of the outcome of the RfA, please do continue to contribute. I see you as potential sysop material once you can consistently get a handle on yourself regardless of the heatedness of the situation. I'm sorry to oppose your RfA, but I was so astonished by your remarks that I had to. Do remember that at the end of the day, Wikipedia is not life and death; there is no excuse for outbursts of incivility. Regards, Kavadi carrier 03:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I realize that. I guess there's nothing I can say now other than thanks for voting & that I appreciate that you cared enough to voice your opinion. Don't worry about it... :) Spawn Man 03:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't leave because of this. you can contribute in ways that very few others can do in your article writing, and that makes your skills rarer than those used in administration, so you should be proud of that. Don't hang your head. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 09:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Cheer up
Hey Spawn Man. Cheer up - the RfA process isn't in any way a measure of anybody's contributions - simply look up WP:100 for example to see how out of whack things can get, with some very high scorers having made little meaningful contribution to the encyclopedia whereas some guys with 1000+ articles and 150+ DYK articles do not get adminship - As for the DYK medal I awarded you a while back, that was on pure merit because I feel you have made a significant contribution to the encyclopedia - not many admins have even written 20 stubs, let alone 25 DYK articles and 6 FAs, so well done. Simply look at User:Ghirlandajo, User:Halibutt, User:Idleguy, User:Deeptrivia (see the RfAs for the last 3 guys) who would not come close to passing RfA due to their having strong opinions at times. Despite this, these guys are some of the top guys that I respect on Wikipedia and you too. On the other hand, some guys with 2000 edits, and 1000 semi-automated article edits and two stubs have at times come close to 100 votes due to high-powered socialising. The most important RfA criteria is peacefulness, and lack of fire, but this is simply what people look for in an administrator. Although it is widely perceived that administrators are "more important" and the majority of admins do think in that way, the truth is that if you stop writing an article, chances are nobody else will finish it. From my experience it is certainly the case that when I became an admin, I just deleted and deleted and wrote nothing for a month - but nobody came and continued my writing load for swimming or cricket or maths. And when I stopped deleting, it started flowing again - so that just shows you how important one's writing is - on the other hand, if you go on admin strike, other people will pick up - an even though some non-writing admins may think that they are more important - don't worry, because they are not - because if they have a dummy spit and leave, nothing changes. If you leave, the article production in your area will be halted. As for your emotion, I certainly don't mind a person being passionate at all, although in the context of adminnery, it is a negative - but admins only exist (theoretically) to facilitate article wrting, and is not the be all and end all, although it may seem that way for people who don't seem to enjoy the content which is the purpose of the encyclopedia. Regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

And yes, about 40 days and a few emails, and still no reply from Sango.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There's nothing to be apologising for -- I fully understand what stress is like, and I hope things work out well for you in the near future. Good luck in the future, both on- and off-wiki. Cheers, --Daveydw ee b ( chat/patch ) 08:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't leave - I completely understand if you're stressed, but we need people like you around here. You're a wonderful and valued contributor. Take a break, but I really hope you reconsider! All the best. riana_dzasta 09:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Common man, who cares about adminship? The hell with it. Cheer up! :) <font color="LightSteelBlue">↔ <font color="SteelBlue">A NAS ''' - <font size="-3"><font color="CadetBlue">Talk   09:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that you're so stressed out, Spawn Man. RfAs really seem to be detrmental to many really great contributors to Wikipedia... I know it's hard, but try not to let it get to you too much - oppose votes on an RfA do not mean that people dislike you or don't think your contributions are awesome (because they are). Definitly take some time and relax, for you certainly deserve it, and I hope things calm down. -- Nataly a 17:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Your withdrawn RfA
I think you're not taking away from your withdrawn RfA the correct message from the community. The message is not about the value of your contributions as an editor. These contributions are held in high regard by almost everyone who commented on your RfA. The concerns people have largely come down to two issues: trust in your judgement in enforcing policy and trust in your ability to remain calm and collect when under fire. These qualities are widely regarded as essential in an admin.

Trust is something that is only established by trustworthy behavior over a period of time, but that can be destroyed or damaged by contrary behavior nearly instantly. You were unlikely to change people's opinions regarding trustworthiness simply by explaining why you behaved as you did when you did. Trust takes time, not promises. Your latest blow up, if you look at the complete thread of the conversation, was rather alarming in that the two people on the receiving end did nothing to deserve your wrath and incivility.

By your closing comments when you withdrew your RfA, you indicate that you expected to be able to restore trust through apologizing and explaining your actions. Perhaps for editors who know you better, this is sufficient, but for the community at large, it will take consistent trustworthy behavior over time to build the trust the community is looking for. After your answer to my question, while I didn't find it entirely satisfactory, I was expecting to join your supporters. To verify that I was making the correct decision, I decided to look through your last 1000 edits to make sure that there was no behavior similar to what occurred on the MfD discussion. Good behavior over that period of time is what I needed to establish the trust that your MfD actions had damaged. Finding the exchange that I did destroyed that trust—especially because of the previous incident. What happens once may be an aberation, what happens twice is probably a pattern. So for me at least, the only way to restore the trust is with good behavior over time. I expect a candidate for admin to have the maturity to accept that and the patience to wait.

I do hope that you will take these comments in the entirely constructive spirit in which they are offered. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 09:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Oh, and despite what it says on your userpage, I shouldn't think anyone actually hates you. Moreschi 18:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry man :(
Hey Spawn, I'm sorry to see that your RfA turned out that way. It sucks. Especially to be opposed for such week reasons, like you do to much editing to your userpage (even though you've got three FA's), and for things that you did 9 months ago. Having watched you closely, and interacted with you a bit recently, I had, and stil do have, every confidence in your actions, and think that you have made a real effort to put your less civil side behind you, so it is a shame that the RfA trned out the way it did. I really meant every word in my support opinion, and I'm sorry that you didn't get the mop this time, but, at the same time, you're still one of the best editors we have, and one of the editors that I respect the most. Hang in there man, and don't even think you've failed me in some way, because you haven't :) Th ε Halo Θ 11:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * My apologies for the userpage comment: that was juvenile, seeing as you've written THREE (good lord) FAs. However, I still stand by the rest of my objections, and IMO the post on the EA stress alerts page if anything made me more worried about volatility problems. Hey, if adminship is no big deal, then what's the big thing with RFA? You'll be back, another six months of clean sheet and I'll happily support. See you round. Best, Moreschi 18:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA
hugs --<font style="background:black"><font color="LightSteelBlue">Shrieking Harpy <font style="background:Red">.<font style="background:Orange">.<font style="background:Yellow">.<font style="background:Green">.<font style="background:Blue">.<font style="background:Purple">. TalkundefinedCount 13:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, you haven't failed me, or anyone else. I would not have nominated you if I didn't think you were worthy of being an administrator. Am I angry that you weren't picked? No. Unfortunately, administration seems to be a bit of a popularity contest. If you're popular enough, no one digs really hard for things you've 'done wrong'. In your case, much like me, you have a disinclination to do things the way someone else tells you to when it doesn't make sense to you.

The difference, I guess, is that I don't want to be an admin, ever. I want admins to put a break on what I do, and what everyone does, and make the place a better place. That's why I chose you. That's why, if you ever come back, I'll chose you again, and keep choosing you until they ban me.

Because that's what Wikipedia is about -- working together to make it better. Even if you are an Inclusionist. :D --<font style="background:black"><font color="LightSteelBlue">Shrieking Harpy <font style="background:Red">.<font style="background:Orange">.<font style="background:Yellow">.<font style="background:Green">.<font style="background:Blue">.<font style="background:Purple">. TalkundefinedCount 14:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You didn't fail me, either, Spawn Man. RfA's are really tough and stressful, and I think they are indeed a popularity contest of sorts (unfortunately).  I think the people who regularily vote in them have way too high standards, and kind of expect a user to be perfect.  But don't let it get you down; after all, RfA's are not a reflection on the value of your contributions (or of yourself personally).  Hope you don't feel too stressed.  Best regards,  P.B. Pilh  e  t  /  Talk  20:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry about your RfA, Spawn Man. Were this a better time in my life, I would have participated in it. I try not to let personal sentiment guide me in such votes, but I would have tried to give you a fair evaluation before choosing whether or not to support. Again, I'm sorry that this is causing you so much stress. -- Kyok <font color="green" face="zapfino">o  21:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Awwww...Don't be discouraged! There's always a better time to have another go at RfA. Remember, we are here to build an encyclopedia together, and you're doing a fine job collobrating and writing a good number of Featured Articles! Cheer up my friend! :) - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 21:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I was sure that I had left a comment here yesterday, but I might have just previewed it and forgot to save. :-/ Anyway, I wanted to say that I am sorry that your RfA didn't succeed. Please don't be discouraged and keep up the good work in order to find even more support on your next attempt. Until then, happy editing. :-) Best regards.-- Hús  ö  nd  21:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Award
Sorry I missed your RfA. I can always be counted to vote in your favour after your great work on Dinosaur - get someone to let me know next time. Here's a barnstar to prove it.--Fil e  Éireann 01:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank's everybody!
For all the above comments, I'd like to say thank you very much for your kind words on what was probably my worst 48 hours on Wikipedia. I appreciate every word. Although it is upsetting to hear that people think you might abuse admin powers & that you're too volatile, I'm going to put my RfA behind me & try & be a better contributor to the encyclopedia. I would never abuse any privliges, although my past actions may have indicated otherwise. I'm going to choose not to take an extended Wikibreak, as I'm enjoying Wikipedia too much of late. Again, I'd like to thank everyone for their support & their kind words. Now I'm going to go do what I'm best at, writing some articles. Thanks everybody, Spawn Man 22:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC).


 * Sorry you had a rough 48 hours. Looks like you had a rocky (and quickly aborted) RFA. Don't worry; few people pass on their first attempt. You can always try again later, if you decide you want to open yourself up to that type of criticsism again. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  22:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I am quite glad to hear that. That attitude for me is a very positive sign that would influence me to support a future nomination for admin if you would choose to accept. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 06:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Nero's reign

 * Hi Spawn,


 * I will certainly not revert that user's contributions, as I know absolutely nothing about Nero's reign. However, I see you have cited your sources, which is normally an excellent way to quell doubts about the veracity of your edits. I see you have also taken it to the article's talk page, which is good, because it may help to establish a consensus. In cases like this, I recommend talking to the user on his talk page. I've already left him an invitation to discuss the situation on the Nero talk page. If he's still reverting after a consensus has been reached, then the reverts turn disruptive. Let's let a consensus build. Firsfron of Ronchester  23:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I meant revert them in future if he continues to revert mine. Letting a consensus build is always a good plan. Hopefully he won't turn disruptive... Spawn Man 23:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, feel free to contact me at any time. My talk page is always open. Of course, if I'm not on, you might have faster results on WP:AN/I or something. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester  23:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey Spawn Man,
 * I've been working a lot on WikiProject Dinosaurs/Achievements, which is a list of achievements the team members have accomplished over the years. Since you've been with the Project longer than most, is there anything on there that's missing? I'd like to include as many feathers in our caps as possible, you know? Well, if you think of anything, feel free to add it. Thanks, Firsfron of Ronchester  05:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Spawn,
 * I have no real interest in a Prehistoric Life WikiProject. I feel stretched as it is, working on such a large project as WP:Dinosaurs. I try to monitor the 1,200 articles as best I can, and do not want to see the project expanded any further, because it is hard enough to try to maintain the current pages while watching for vandalism and expand our current articles. Also, since more than 99% of all life lived during prehistoric times, such an undertaking seems immense. No, I definitely would rather just work on WikiProject Dinosaurs. However, if you want to form some sort of WikiProject Prehistoric Life seperate from the dinosaurs, you should do so. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester  08:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'll wade into this one. I think a project Cenozoic or Prehistoric Mammals (and similar for paleozoic) would be better and more contained. There is a load of crossreferencing one does when wading through things to cross post onto other pages. There's a bit going on on prehistoric elephants which I was going to get involved with but had to stop myself (after fungi, birds, and various plants and things Australian...) cheers Cas Liber 09:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Survey Q
Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere? Respond here Deadline for entries is December 15th, PST. AstroBoy 03:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Bilby guy
No problem! -- Chuq 07:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rama's Arrow's RfA
Haha, I get the joke. Now, I'd ask you to actually support before the RfA closes, as I would (genuinely) be rather upset if his RfA has even 1 oppose !vote, especially when it's obviously in jest. -- Kicking222 14:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. I came here to say the same thing, but I see Kicking222 beat me to it. I wouldn't lobby anyone to change a sincere !vote, but if you were just teasing, as I assume, it might be best to go back and strike the oppose. Regards, Newyorkbrad 14:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Explanation
Of course people in AFD can comment however they like. Admins, however, in addition to that, are supposed to adjudicate consensus in such debates. They do so aided by the various content policies, such as WP:V. Now someone who frequently wants to keep an article that ends up deleted, or conversely wants to delete an article that ends up kept arguably has different opinions on how our content policies work than most people. For instance, while it is perfectly fine to argue at length over borderline cases, an article on a neologism that doesn't explain what it is clearly fails WP:V - and someone who wants to keep it anyway arguably doesn't quite understand the content policy. In my opinion, having a minority position is perfectly acceptable for an admin candidate; but lack of understanding of content policy is not. ( Radiant ) 19:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

..while you're at it..........
Do you wanna add your 2c worth to the voting - using the criteria of (proximity to FAC candicacy in terms of work required + presonal preference + global importance WRT other dinos or FA list and wikipedia in general) in whatever ratios you wish... (the sauropods are getting ahead...........:) cheers Cas Liber 01:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I know, you've been repeating the mantra from Animal Farm' "Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better....".................

Re: ???
Well, I have been ever so slightly occupied of late; you're not likely to see me too much outside of my usual haunts (by which I mean mostly WP:MILHIST, although I do venture out at times) at the moment. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 18:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Nero
I've commented on Talk:Nero; hope that helps! Kirill Lokshin 02:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure; what's the last one you remember? ;-)
 * (I did write this one fairly recently, so you probably haven't seen it.)
 * Most of my time is taken up by (a) WP:MILHIST stuff (as the project has grown to an enormous size now) and (b) general admin-like policy stuff, though. Kirill Lokshin 02:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Halo 2 article
It came off as original research or a how-to, but I can easily reverse the deletion. As I recall, the title was improperly capitalized FYI. Comin' right up... - Lucky 6.9 02:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No sweat. It's easily redirected just by hitting the "move" tab.  I'll fix it for you. - Lucky 6.9 02:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad to do it! Sorry 'bout the mistake on my part.

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