User talk:Spideog

Ireland user box
Thank you for updating the Lunar Rover picture. I'm curious about your userbox, and I wonder what is behind the deviation for Eire not following wp:commonname. Is is Irish nationalists wanting to make a point that Ireland is not united, NI protestants who take the republic being called by its wp:commonname as a claim on NI, or both? Sorry if I'm being rude, but I thought it'd be ok to ask with it being in a box and all. I also find the question interesting because I participate in WP:RM discussions, and this kind of problem crops up from time to time. walk victor falktalk 11:38, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


 * There have been interminable, exhausting, and enormously tedious discussions about what title Irish articles should bear. There is an island of Ireland (article Ireland) which was partitioned by the British in 1922, creating a new statelet in the north called Northern Ireland. Because the island and the southern state have the same name, Ireland, different titles are required to distinguish a geographic article from a social-political one.


 * The official name of the state is Ireland, defined by Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland: "The name of the state is Éire, and in the English language, Ireland." (Éire is the term in the Irish language.) It is neither officially nor unofficially called "Republic of Ireland", nevertheless, Irish Wikipedia editor opinion was outnumbered in discussion by foreign editors who forced through the decision that the article about the state should be called Republic of Ireland, even though no country on earth is officially called that.


 * (By order of FIFA, the national football team is called Republic of Ireland because for a number of years after Partition in 1922, there were two football teams called Ireland, one on either side of the new border; now we have Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland in football).


 * There were proposals that we could have articles called Ireland (island) and Ireland (state), but what we wound up with was Ireland for the island and Republic of Ireland for the state.


 * There is a curious and fucked up policy now (I forget the name of the policy, but it is in Help) that wikilinks to the article about the state are to be coded thus: Ireland . This idiocy drives me insane on three levels: Republic of Ireland is not the name of the country; it is inconsistent to pipe two names for one place into a wikilink like that; and every time I want to create a link to Ireland, I have to type out the whole damned thing, instead of simply Ireland.


 * If you have a masochistic streak, you can find out where all the old discussions (fights) about this are, and read them. They will destroy your faith in humanity. I created my user box one day as a spontaneous cry of anguish at the absurdity and pure wrongness-in-fact of Ireland . Imagine if United States editors had been forced to accept that wikilinks to the article about their country were coded like this: United States.


 * I have no patience for this shit. It is a bitter pill to swallow – without being histrionic, it is a violation of reason and of self, and counter to the spirit of education of Wikipedia – to accept that the article about Ireland in the biggest encyclopaedia on earth is misnamed, and creates the false impression to all and sundry, including under-educated Irish people, that the official name of the country is "Republic of Ireland". — O'Dea  (talk) 12:19, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the kind of thing that makes people say "wikipedia is made up stuff". It's locating the US article at the States, or the UK one at Blighty. It reflects poorly on the project. The straight forward answer from the policies and guidelines is "use a disambiguator", but one sees how "(state)" might be bit confusing, what with stuff like the Irish Free State and all. Also, as I see it, Ireland the state is clearly the wp:primarytopic compared to the island, which should be Ireland (island). Why can't people accept Ireland as wp:primarytopic? he asks naively. walk victor falktalk 13:09, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I see now that Ireland article is not really about the island, but is wp:dabconcept; that's not entirely unreasonable. But that still leaves RoI. Skimming through WP:Ireland Collaboration, my impression is in one of literal entrenchment, the lines happen to be where they are just because they are there. I can understand your frustration. walk victor falktalk 13:27, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

You might find this interesting: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration. Do you think it'd make a difference as to the perception of RoI as an official name? walk <i style="color:green;">victor falk</i><i style="color:green;">talk</i> 16:17, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

File mover
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 * Thank you, Katie. — O'Dea  (talk) 23:12, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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Just wanted to say...
We may not have much in common, but I think our heritage may, at least a bit on my paternal side. 🍀 The maternal side, not so much. 🍝  Anyway, your collaboration at Circe is very much appreciated. I have been working with SNAAAAKE!! for a while now, and he truly is an amazing writer and very dedicated to getting the articles right. He has the energy and desire, and he does listen to suggestions and constructive criticism, so again, thank you. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📣 📧 19:14, 12 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and I like Italians, too! (Assuming that's what your pasta-dish icon means.) I have enjoyed my times in Italy. As to SNAAAAKE!!, I appreciate his work on Circe; what provoked my intervention was simply that he unilaterally performed a merge in opposition to established consenus, even if the debate was limited in scope to a handful of contributors. The discussion should be broadened to more contributors. If that resulted in a merge, which I would oppose, then so be it. — O'Dea  (talk)
 * Yes, Italian. SMirC-wink.svg Understood about the merge. Happy editing! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📣 📧 20:21, 12 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, U|O'Dea, I just asked an Adminstrator what might be the next move, given SNAAAAKE!!'s bluster and intransigence. He suggested a WP:RfC to unmerge the two, which would be a broadening of the discussion that you mention above. Are you up for initiating that? Sweetpool50 (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Suggestion - can't we just sit tight and let him finish what he started? At least, let's see where it ends up? We have someone willing to do the research/writing/cleanup - and he's not doing anything that can't be undone - so why throw a wrench in his momentum? He has done some pretty amazing work with articles related to Arthurian legends, including Mordred, Morganna, Merlin (poem), etc. He has earned various editing accolades and I don't see how it's going to hurt anything to let him work. Please? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📣 📧 02:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)


 * This isn't about individuals, or even content, it's about the workability of Wikipedia. With so many contributing, there have to be guidelines for courteous co-operation. If an editor considers what he has to contribute is so valuable that procedures can be waived in his case, then the whole project has a problem. What is proposed is a discussion to see if other editors agree with SNAAAAKE's action, not the quality of what he writes. Sweetpool50 (talk) 17:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)


 * This is about collaboration and what is best for the project, the latter of which takes priority. It is not our job to police articles simply to make sure editors are following all the rules. Keep in mind WP:IAR and the not so bendable policy of WP:CIR. Call an RfC if you believe it's best for the project. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📣 📧 17:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

"Naming policy"
Re your continued reversion of two different IP editors' (hopefully not sock puppets) edits of the Gemini 5 astronauts' names: please read WP:COMMONNAME carefully; it applies to article titles only, and does not follow wikilinks wherever they go. Back in the day, the astronauts were known by their more formal names rather than as what we recognize as the "common names" today. Nothing prohibits use of those names as references inside of other articles.

And using the pipe trick to synonymously link is perfectlly OK. No one is proposing moving the article titles. I am not either one of those two IP addresses, but I happen to agree with them. Please leave these edits alone. JustinTime55 (talk) 22:10, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dead astronauts


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Dublin, California
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Havel
Your assumption is good, but it was not like that in communist Czechoslovakia in the 1950s. Most of people with the bourgeois background were persecuted by the régime at that time. It was working class who ruled in my country and selected loyal individuals sometimes even enjoyed some selected advantages, not 'prosperous bourgeoisie'. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for the fyi about quotes
Thanks for the fyi about quotes https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_in_Ireland&diff=1093159286&oldid=1093158738 I thought that that that only applied for more novel ones like «». (I'm basing my understanding on MOS:CONFORM). I'm genuinely trying to understand, which ones are in quoted material, because I'm only seeing titles. Do titles count as quoted material? Smasongarrison (talk) 00:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The manual of style informs us: "the wording of the quoted text should be faithfully reproduced."


 * For example, the first edit you made changed two curly apostrophes to straight apostrophes in the following quoted tweet: My beautiful son, Nevi’im Nesta Ali Shane O’Connor, the very light of my life, decided to end his earthly struggle today....


 * Your second change was to a quoted newspaper headline which used curly quotes: ‘My light’ – singer Sinead O’Connor pays tribute to son Shane after his tragic death.


 * Not just in Wikipedia, but in general, quotations cannot alter the original material quoted.


 * The manual of style does however comment: "However, insignificant spelling and typographic errors [my italics] should simply be silently corrected (for example, correct basicly to basically)." O&#39;Dea (talk) 00:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time to explain your reasoning. I think my interpretation is a little different because I was following this MOS:CONFORM based on the distinction between wording and typographical elements. (I cut out some examples in the middle)

"A quotation is not a facsimile and, in most cases, it is not a requirement that the original formatting be preserved. Formatting and other purely typographical elements of quoted text should be adapted to English Wikipedia's conventions without comment provided that doing so will not change or obscure meaning or intent of the text. These are alterations which make no difference when the text is read aloud, for example: [...]
 * Convert apostrophes and quotation marks to Wikipedia's style:
 * These should be straight, not curly or slanted. See."

So, I think that it is ok to change curly or slanted marks into straight marks, even within quoted tweets. I'm also not sure that titles count as quotes. But, I don't think that it's the core issue here. I think that it gets much greyer when we get into other things, like non-English language quotes. Smasongarrison (talk) 16:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

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Dating maintenance tags
Thanks for tagging all the lists of top singles in Ireland. Seems like you have been on Wikipedia long enough to know about dating maintenance tags? Just a simple "|date=June 2024" would do the trick for all of them, or give #visualeditor a try. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The AnomieBOT takes care of dating the Unreferenced templates and it has probably already dated all of the ones I added today.


 * I don't like the Visual Editor. I played with it for a while many years ago and never went back.


 * It is good that you have added some citations to the articles I tagged as unreferenced but I am very concerned that adding just one citation creates another problem. Doing so moves the articles from the Unreferenced category to the Articles needing additional references category.


 * This obscures the real "crisis" in the articles, so to speak. It makes them seem like well-referenced articles which just need a bit of attention when in fact they have merely one citation, so almost all of each article in the series is actually completely unreferenced, a fact that removing the Unreferenced templates hides by implying false reassurance about articles with almost no visible reliability.


 * It would be better in my view to leave an article completely unreferenced to alert editors more interested in the subject matter than I am that these articles need a lot of work (time-consuming research, then adding citations for all music chart entries).


 * I won't be doing this because the subject matter doesn't interest me enough, because my available WikiTime is limited, and because editing using a mobile phone that is not working well (too many falls) makes this work difficult and slow until I replace the device.


 * There are more than 60 such articles recording charts for 52 weeks each, so that's 60 × 52 = 3,120 citations needed. Fixing that will require a great deal of work. That real crisis is rather hidden if all the articles containing just one citation are disguised by being in the Articles needing additional references category.


 * I don't mean to be negative, or critical of the work you've done, but I can't deny the concern it raises. Spideog (talk) 12:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Nothing is stopping you from nominating these articles for deletion. In truth, I think it's quite likely that all these pages can be cited easily once someone gets their hands on the books that were used to source them in the first place. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The articles are too useful to take the drastic step of deleting them. I viewed a couple of them to answer questions I had, which they answered, so deletion would destroy their usefulness. I don't accuse them of containing unreliable information, merely that they require verification.
 * I agree that these articles can be cited from relevant books (or other sources), as you say, but the research for 60+ years followed by writing up thousands of citations is certainly a very considerable project – such a comprehensive anthology of articles was not compiled overnight, and implementing the necessary repairs to so many articles will also demand considerable time. It calls for a charts enthusiast to become aware of the scale of the problem, one who would positively enjoy such a meaty project. (Or better yet, a swarm of eager enthusiasts.) Spideog (talk) 12:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)