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Assist Please
Other editor wants to delete the Lelo Sejean which was defended as General Notability in the past, and the other edit continues to delete the most notable information: The footballer is acknowledged for the longest duration by an Australian and Oceanian in Paraguayan football and in CONMEBOL football.

Please can intervenir? OBS: I already thank you for Remove Afd in German Footballer in Paraguay Danny Köig


 * You should really speak to User:Nehme1499 about this. I have no wish to get involved. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Plz Don't delete i can make changes according to policy
Plz Don't delete i can make changes according to policy of page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepa_Sree  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AhmdAsjad (talk • contribs) 09:25, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Databased sourced articles on Olympians
These are very easy to find. For example I found Rashad Shafshak as just one of a huge number I have found just looking though Category:1910 births.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You may have seen my Olympians articles estimates on my talk page. My rought 150,000 number may well be off. The 1936 figure I quotes I believe was only for the summer Olympics. The winter Olympics have fewer participants. The numbers hover at around 6,000 until they start to explode in the late 1980s, going to over 8,000 in 1988. With the 1996 games the number of participants comes to exceed 10,000. Starting with the 2016 games there are over 11,000 participants. That is just the summer games numbers. I have this sense that the people who thought that every Olympic participant ever was notable did not adequately consider how huge these numbers are.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's crazy stuff with Shafshak. because I don't have the ability to do Egyptian Arabic searches of that era, not sure if there's an easy way of expanding this article. It'll probably be a perma-stub. Given that it doesn't pass WP:NOLY or WP:NBASKET, why was it made?  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, until last October Olympic notability said that every single Olympian was notable, period. I really do not get how we ever came to such a policy. The person who created the article created a large percentage of Olympian articles, and he seems to have assumed because we held that any Olympian was default notable we needed to have articles on every single Olympian. He came fairly close to reaching that goal before he was banned from creating new articles under a certain size.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, I dug a little deeper. 6 of the 7 articles on members of the 1936 Egyptian men's basketball team at the Olympics were all created on 10 June 2018. The article I mentioned was the last created at 8:54 GMT. The others were created at 8:45, 8:47, 8:50, 8:51, and 8:53. All by the same editor. So from start to finish that was less than 10 minutes to create 6 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I suspect it would take much longer than 10 minutes to do an acceptable AfD for them! Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, for it to work for me it would take me at least 6 days, because I currently am capped at 1 AfD a day. I would not bundle these because there might be something about one that might show notability. It is not just that these people were way back. I was looking though articles on people on the Egyptian squads at the Olympics in the 1980s, and they tended to be as light. In total I would not be at all surpised if we have at least 5,000 articles on Olympians who are dead in the Living people category just because of this inclusion of totally not otherwise notable people because of the Olympain rule. combined with article creators repeating information gathered from just one source.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:22, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Non-notable perma-stub sportspeople are a big issue at the moment. Probably worse than the endless numbers of non-notable villages, films, actors and rappers that get shoved into mainspace daily. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The problem extends beyond the one user though. Here Alaa El-Din Abdoun is another article that is just as much lacking in substance, and it was created in December 2017 by a different user, who also created a whole bunch of other articles on Egyptian Olympic basketball players in 2017.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Had you not pointed out that it was a different user creating that, I'd have presumed it was the same one! Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Trying to understand
Hi Spiderone, Not coming to attack, but really trying to understand your stance. On one hand I see you a lot at AfD's nominating or supporting deletion of pages which are stubs claiming they don't meet WP:NFOOTY, as well as the conversation just above where you are against "perma-stubs in sports". But then I see you created a 3-line stub about an international football player, who is notable (played at least 10 senior international games and half a decade of club football), and I'm sure there's more about her than the databases you've sourced her with. I would just love to see you invest as much time in searching for sources when you write a new article as when you research for an AfD. --SuperJew (talk) 18:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I appreciate where you're coming from. I think one important difference is that per WP:NEXIST I do believe that Lemešová would survive AfD. Slovak search brings back quite a lot of WP:RS coverage giving her more than a passing mention - ideally someone with more confidence in the language would be able to expand it. I agree that the quality of a lot of my articles does leave a lot to be desired and I wish that I had the time and motivation to work on a lot of them. Maybe some of my articles should be deleted, I won't object if you or someone else wants to send some to AfD. For some Spanish articles, I have put in a bit more work like Lorena Bocanegra and Maitane López but that's because I'm trying to learn the language so there's more of a motivation to do so. Plus, Spain are doing pretty well in women's football currently and their sources are rarely paywalled! That being said, some of my Spanish articles are basic stubs, although in most cases I have researched to check that sources do exist but just been too lazy to add them. The reason I send articles like Michalis Karas to AfD is because I believe that, even if I had the time and motivation to expand it, I wouldn't be able to do so. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not at all saying that Lemešová should be sent to AfD. But if you are already investing time with the search to check the sources exist, I would like to see you also add them into the article and create a basic article at least. Having a 3-line stub is probably the status which is least likely that it will be expanded upon. --SuperJew (talk) 20:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, noted. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

andLinux prod
This was a waste of my time and yours. If you're contesting a prod then the least you can (and should) do is to offer some sort of rationale as to why. Anyway, it's at AfD now. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:25, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I've commented at AfD. I was only following WP:PROD rules. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah. Fair enough. I find it vaguely ironic that articles previously deleted at AfD are easier to speedy, and harder to prod, but I can't blame you for that. Sorry for being snippy. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * To make this worse on myself, I declined a previous prod of this exact article on those grounds. Still, that edit summary does an adequate job of explaining the rationale. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * No worries about the snippyness. To be fair, I acknowledge that my rationale was too brief and easy to misinterpret. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Help please on how to make article suitable to be published
Hi Spiderone, thanks for taking the time to review the article I submitted for Schubert Avakian. You were definitely right to move it to drafts because reading it now I can see the need for more development; my plan was to get as detailed an article as possible up and then revisit it to add more citations in, but maybe I should scale the article back to include less detail so that I can at least get a published page? I don't have a lot of experience creating new articles so any help you can give me based upon your review of the article would be most appreciated. I am finding that the Persian music industry is greatly underrepresented on Wikipedia and that is very unfortunate given the influence it has had on world music. So I'd like to do what I can to remedy that, and Schubert Avakian seemed like a good place to start, because he is one of the most respected and prolific producers/composers in the market with literally hundreds of works to his credit. I was actually shocked that he didn't already have a Wikipedia page. Plus once I have his article up, I will be able to use it as a base to start updating many of the Persian artist articles for those that have worked with him, and create others if/when needed. (As an aside, one issue in particular I am finding with finding citations is many sources are written in Farsi, and not English - would those be considered acceptable as sources?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laca wiki (talk • contribs) 20:18, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi the main issue with the article is that it uses a lot of unreliable sources. Please see WP:RSPS. To name a few, we cannot use Facebook, YouTube or Discogs as references per the RSPS link. These will need replacing before submitting the article for review. If you can find a better source (in any language), please feel free to replace the references from Draft:Schubert Avakian and press the 'submit' button. If content can only be sourced to unreliable user-generated websites like Facebook then the content will need to be removed. Articles on living people need to follow WP:BLP policy so social media sites are not acceptable as sources. I hope that this helps.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, okay thanks for the clarifications that definitely helps. I'll look for better sources.  Regarding YouTube, I understand the reasoning behind why it isn't a good source to use in general, but per Reliable_source_examples I'm hoping I will be able to link to things like interviews or videos if they are from official channels like ones for Persian TV stations, news channels, music labels etc.?  Because they tend to use YouTube as a centralized source for archiving their content.  Do you think those are credible enough to include?
 * potentially official TV and news channel YouTube videos can be used but the news sources' websites are preferable if at all possible. Videos, especially foreign language ones, are more difficult to assess and verify. Foreign written text can at least be run through a translator. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Plz unblock
Im sorry i wont delete it agin. plz unbock me .. plz — Preceding unsigned comment added by AhmdAsjad (talk • contribs) 15:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Istiak Ahmed Sourav for deletion
Can you explain to me why you have decided this — Preceding unsigned comment added by AhmdAsjad (talk • contribs) 15:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Mandava Sai Kumar
Hi I'm Mandava Sai Kumar please don't delete my wikipedia page please 27.6.36.41 (talk) 20:39, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * There is nothing to indicate that you meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Gideon Kadiri
i would like you to go over this well because according to the transfermarkt it looks like this is the same person and I know that the scout club OFK Grbalj is adding new transfers and players to the transfermarkt page. I would bet that this is the same person because I play in OFK Grbalj u19 team and Gideon when I saw him for the first time he was 12-13 cm taller than me and I am 190 cm tall. https://www.transfermarkt.com/gideon-kadiri-abudulai/profil/spieler/992999 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IDIUPM123 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Transfermarkt is not an acceptable source per WP:TRANSFERMARKT Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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Ricardo Santos Silva
Could you please delete the AfD on Ricardo Santos Silva. Chelsea FC is the most important deal in the world right now. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeacefulJack (talk • contribs) 16:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @PeacefulJack. I've moved your post to the bottom where @Spiderone is more likely to see it. Please note that it was @Behind the moors who nominated it for deletion. Spiderone just made some organizational edits. The discussion will close in a week or more depending on when consensus is formed. Star   Mississippi  16:34, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Star Mississippi.
 * @Behind the moors let me know how can I help you PeacefulJack (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

And what a mess this turned out to be. Thanks for Sockpuppet investigations/Cabritos Star   Mississippi  00:24, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome . Hopefully this puts an end to the shenanigans. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

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Restoring Filip Borowski
Hi there! Is it possible for Filip Borowski's article to be restored? It was previously deleted due to not meeting the notability requirements, but he has since appeared in a I liga fixture, which is considered a notable competition. I tried reaching out to another user responsible for this article, but got no reply. Thanks a lot in advance and have a great weekend! - KibolLP (talk) 13:20, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I'm not an admin so don't have the power to restore deleted articles. You may wish to request Draft:Filip Borowski be restored at WP:UNDELETE. Alternatively, there are a number of football admins that patrol WT:FOOTY so a message there might do the trick. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi again, thank you very much! KibolLP (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)