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Minority discrimination on Wikipedia
I think Wikipedia want to hide fact that it has minority discrimination policy. My article marked for deletion, even it has truthful fact and information.

Wikipedia has discrimination "Noticeability" policy against minorities. For example, Wikipedia do not accept articles about popular minority singers because they are noticeable according to Wikipedia policy, even if they are noticeable person in minority. Wikipedia promotes only general-trend culture and suppress cultural diversity. Discrimination "notability policy" of Wikipedia do not consider impact and benefits of minority noticeable person for they society. According to Wikipedia policy only person of “big” nationalities allowed to be represented on wiki. If you are for example Aleut, who is only 400 people the world, your best singer never be allowed to be mentioned on Wikipedia. Obviosly you cannot find Aleut newspaper as refence source and even if you find it Wiki will say it is only 400 copies - unsignificant. But this is a whole nation! 400 copies for WHOLE nation.... Bright example of this is article of famous Kalmyk singer is nominated for deletion becaue of this policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Ligor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makushima (talk • contribs) 15:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * our editors do our best to cover as many topics as possible but we do require that reliable sources are used. I appreciate that it's difficult to find online sources for someone in such a small community. Do you know if there are any paper newspapers that cover her? Or books? Resources in any language are welcome, however, we do ask that the sources are independent and reliable. If you are writing about someone based on your own personal experiences or opinions then I'm afraid Wikipedia is not the appropriate place. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You should be reasonable when you asking newspaper evidence from natioanlility of 400 men. Do you think they print their own newspaper? And in the end if they print it you will tell me that 200 copies newspaper is not signinficat for Wiki, even it is covers half population of this nation. That's is why the policy is considered descriminating. It is a fact. And I just described the fact. You do not delete article about "head", becasue thre is no source or newspaper which says that it is prt of body. It is a fact that head is part of body.

I am not putting my opinion here, only facts. And fact is that Wiki discrimate minority by it is policy. You can test it by yourself. Create page about best aleut singer and it will be deleted. Create page about best chinese singer and it will remains.
 * If the Chinese singer does not "receive significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent secondary sources" then it will be deleted. Same for the Aleut singer. I learned a hard lesson after being here at Wikipedia for a few months. I am a woman. I am of Cherokee ancestry. I live in Alaska and have worked with multiple Native peoples in the US. I am a mother. I am a subsistence hunter. I have my beliefs and I practice them. Nothing I just said about myself is any less relevant because I do or do not have a Wikipedia page. No Wikipedia page is going to give it more significance in my life and the lack of a Wikipedia article does not make it less important to me. I was those things before joining Wikipedia and I will be those things after I leave Wikipedia. The same in this case. The subject of this article is notable to those who love her and cherish her work. She is notable to her people and a bright beacon of light that shines positively on her culture. Nothing Wikipedia does or doesn't do will ever be able to add to or take away from that. Wikipedia has its policies and it has a right to adhere to those policies as it sees fit. I may disagree with them but if I am to edit here I must adhere to them. That does not change me and it won't change her. -- A Rose  Wolf  17:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that you give up... and agreed. If rules are wrong I try to break it. In my opinion, instead of edit Wiki you should write open letter to US president to stop discrimination. Ask people to cut finces sources for organization which discriminate people, impose sanction on mangers of such organization so they will change policy and stop discrimination.


 * - well said. Wikipedia's policies are a real pain sometimes but if you look into the reasons behind them, they make sense. In an encyclopaedia so massive and impossible to fully moderate, it helps to have a line there. If they did away with that line and decided that things can be notable just because we think they are, the entire encyclopaedia would, within a month, be completely flooded with soapboxing, hoaxes, vandalism and all sorts. Yes, there would be some interesting content as well, I'm sure.
 * I understand common sense reasons behind the policies, but you also understand common sense reasons that breaks that "common sense policy". Resolution is very simple: relative significance estimation. You estimate significance not in absolute numbers but in relative numbers.

Wikipedia is not the only website available. There are so many out there that will allow you to promote the Aleut people without restriction and without anyone asking you to provide evidence for the facts that you state. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This is not good approach: if somebody rapes a women, just go to another street and don't look at it. And I thought Wiki do not promote nationalities but provides information about them? I my goal is not promote Aleut but give information to people. Also dominating position of Wikipedia in this area of service information provider put other site not in equal position. So if somebody rape women near White Hall it is little bit different than it happens on Aleutian Islands (a little bit). Sorry for harsh example.
 * without any evidence that this singer is notable, we only have your word. You say that she is the best singer in her ethnic group but that is subjective. If there are sources to say that she is the best singer, then it's valid but, if it's just you, then it's not appropriate for Wikipedia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't say likes. I bring you the link from OFFICIAL INFORMATION PORTAL OF REPUBLIC, saying that she is noticeable singer and person of Kalmyk minority. You just ignoring this information. I don't know why... What else you need? Certificate signed by Putin and Trump on Urdu language saying that she is a ruler of the world? ;-)


 * If you believe I have given up then you do not know anything about me. Likewise, you do not break a discriminatory system by circumventing its processes. That is what has been happening for too long here. I was involved in that. I believed we should keep articles because of their regional or topical importance. I believed flooding the encyclopedia with these articles would overwhelm the system and cause it to have to change but I saw quickly that wasn't going to happen. If strict adherence to the rules and processes results in an almost dead experiment then so be it. Wikipedia has made its rules and must live with the consequences. If views and internet traffic go elsewhere where articles on the things that mean more to specific groups is located then so be it. If Wikipedia dies as the result of its policies then it has to live with those decisions. Circumventing it does not reveal where changes need to be made and only serves to delay the inevitable. Revealing the obvious gaps and holes and suggesting new policies and rule changes within the process is the only way change can be achieved. Unfortunately that can't happen until we remove part of the issue and that is the fluff of these articles that have no wiki-notability but have been created/kept because a temporary mob or good faith editor decided going around policy was better for the encyclopedia. It actually hurts the encyclopedia more than any of you realize. -- A Rose Wolf  19:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, I didn't want to offend you. I just wrote what I do in this kind of situation. I understand that Wiki is goal for you. For me is tool, to help people. I understand if wiki dies, there will be another tool with its restrictions and policies. So changing wiki policy it is just adopting tool for along to society rules and needs. I don't think the approach which I propose will overwhelm Wiki with Aleut singers articles and it will be down because of that. But it certainly this allows people to learn about other nationality culture.
 * A mention in a government portal doesn't count. WP:GNG, read it . This may seem offensive and disheartening at this point in the debate but sources need to have a significant mention, reliable and Independent. Only those meeting all 3 are considered. And there needs to be multiple such sources to classify it as GNG. Government portals are not at all independent, they seek to promote their culture and will put up every single achievement by their citizens, big or small on the portal. There is an article about a 5 year old kid winning a kindergarten chess competition on the same site. I'm not belittling her win in the song contest, but that source is not exactly a good one. Daiyusha (talk) 13:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding me? I can say that Filmfare is not realiable source - they promoting only Indian cilture films. Article about SRK should be deleted. The same is Oscar they promote  only American culture. Most information about Putin coming from goverment sites. All these article should be deleted as they don't have realible sources. Article about 5-year old winner doesn't make source not realible. Here is news on Kommersant (I think you will agree that Komersant one of the most relable source in Russia) about new watches https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4641531. I mean this is completly unsigninficant news compare with information that 5 years old Kalmyk won chess competiotion. So articles with link to Komersant should be deleted?
 * you can very much nominate those articles for AfD if you feel the sources are not adequate. Many of us will review the sources we can find and it is possible they should be deleted based on the criteria. I can't say as I haven't had a reason to look at the articles in question and won't unless it's brought to AfD. -- A Rose Wolf  19:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am sorry for my bad education (only PHd in Information Science) but what is Afd? Alternative for Germany? ;-) Makushima (talk) 18:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Runixx info tech
Bro please dont delete runixx page. Zaidwani1 (talk) 16:55, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you can prove, using sources, that it passes WP:NCORP then it can stay. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:07, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Amir Hossein Mahmoudi (footballer)
Hi, I did not see the previous versions and I created this version.You can delete it؟؟--Ərtin M123 (Συζητώ) 11:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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Nomination of El-Sayed Mohamed Attia for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article El-Sayed Mohamed Attia is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Association Football Deletion
Are there two deletion lists of association football players? When I see an AFD on a soccer player, it seems to be listed on two different lists. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - that's right! A lot of WP:FOOTY don't check the deletion sorting but do check the WikiProject page so we find it useful to list it there as well Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

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Considered for deletion Rishi Kumar (film director)
Hi Spiderone this is Vivovin I have created article of a indian famous Creative director who worked so lot of film as creative director by mistake i have added their post as creative graphic designer and digital media name which I've removed immediatly, even you think why i have created article of creative director please see this man article Rajiv Rao he is also creative director even his work profile is not describe i am requesting please remove the templete of considered of deletion lets work to do more stablish this article (Thank you)Vivovin (talk) 13:43, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, please can we discuss this at Articles for deletion/Rishii Kumaar? Thanks  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:48, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Ruben Bakke
Hi - Just before I AfD this one, can you clarify what is supposed to be the "top, top club"? Perhaps we could widen this concept out so that the Spiderone Top, Top Club Index could replace the current unsuitable notability arrangements? Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 18:53, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Tromsø IL is one of the top Norwegian clubs and have played in Europe several times. you can PROD should you wish to but I'll be gobsmacked if there is any consensus to delete this.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you are in danger of conflating your own opinions with the notability criteria (again). Tromso finished 10th of 12 teams in 1991 (relegation play-off) and 8th of 12 in 1992. They were part-timers in a part-time league. In no sense whatsoever were they a "top, top club". This guy made a handful of appearances, mostly as a late substitute. In terms of both the general notability guideline and the subject-specific guideline, your unqualified opinions about the value of the club are completely irrelevant. In this case they are also factually wrong. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 19:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Horlah Oladeji
Hello Mate,

Your doing a great Job and I see that you are actively supportive and active on the page. However, the page HORLAH OLADEJI that you nominated for deletion was wrongly nominated because he has represented Nigeria at the WAFU U20 tournament in Togo in 2018 and I have some of the team sheet and pictures to show. Jhonnnnny (talk) 23:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * even if you do have squad lists that show this, it still wouldn't make him notable as it's not a senior national team appearance Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:19, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay thanks Spiderone. Just for reference sake, he also played for ABS FC one of the few professional teams in Nigeria. Also was rated among the list of goalkeepers to ever represent Nigeria.

https://sportsembassy.com.ng/behold-the-list-of-nigerian-national-team-goalkeepers-past-and-present/

https://bsnsports.com.ng/nnl-abs-appoints-hassan-abubakar-as-new-technical-adviser-retain-9-players/ Jhonnnnny (talk) 23:42, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * he would need more than just a few passing mentions to pass WP:GNG Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the explanation; however the reference about the subject are listed in trust online medias which are known for accurate news in Nigeria

National Pilots Newspaper BSN Sports Today News. Ghana guardian news Ghanasoccernet

https://www.today.ng/sport/football/flying-eagles-paul-aigbogun-20-u20-wafu-cup-togo-176253

https://thenationalpilot.ng/2018/12/03/abs-goalkeeper-selects-for-feagles-wafu-cup/amp/

https://ghanasoccernet.com/nigerian-second-tier-side-abs-illorin-fc-signs-former-dunkwa-united-fc-goalie-horlah-sarpei Jhonnnnny (talk) 09:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hope you check the recent added reference in the Newspaper and online medias to proof the page authenticity? Jhonnnnny (talk) 20:38, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Passing mentions about an under 20 tournament and a routine announcement about him signing for a second tier Nigerian side. Unfortunately, while this proves he exists, it does not make him notable under WP:NFOOTBALL or WP:GNG. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the hard work so far; however checking the WP:GNG, this article meets the standard of been RELIABLE, has External and authentic sources, Secondary sources exist etc. I think Jhonnnnny (talk) 06:00, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Also been rated and ranked among top 100 goalkeepers past and present to have represented and played for Nigeria is something of great worth and evidence Jhonnnnny (talk) 06:02, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Kritn ajitesh
Hi - I have created the page with the proper guidelines and with the meaningful reference links(resources). I don't know who created the page before, but the previous page was deleted due to promotional content as well as not having proper resources. I am requesting you to check the page one and check the references as well. If you find any kind of promotional content or any useless references, please let me know. Cyclopxx (talk) 01:43, 9 February 2021 (IST)
 * - the Forbes India source is promotional as it clearly states that it was paid for, presumably by Ajitesh or his team. Also The London Tribune is completely unreliable as per this note at the bottom "Information contained on this page is provided by an independent third-party content provider. Binary News Network and this Site make no warranties or representations in connection therewith. If you are affiliated with this page and would like it removed please contact contact@binarynewsnetwork.com" Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:22, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - Many thanks for the information. I really don't know that Forbes India source count as a promotional. And also not aware that The London Tribune is a non reliable source. Thanks for this valuable knowledge. All I can request is give me another chance to edit the content and remove those irrelevant links from the page. Thank you. Cyclopxx (talk) 02:06, 9 February 2021 (IST)
 * - the deletion discussion will last at least 7 days which is more than enough time for you to find sources Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:37, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - Yea I know, so I am doing the needful editing and will find something meaningful sources and let you inform here. Thanks
 * - Hi, I have made my changes, removed those useless references from the page and also removed those information which I not found from a reliable source. Please check the content now and share your feedback. Thanks.
 * Please can you tell me which of these sources establish notability through WP:BASIC? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - cinestaan, nettv4u, imdb these links are having information for the person. There are lots of pages which are live now, got these links as a reference. What your thought. please suggest. Thanks.
 * Issuewire also needs to be removed as it's completely unreliable, promotional and extremely poorly written. None of the sources are actually reliable; see WP:RS for info Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - Removed the Issuewire link and it's related content. But I am confused because as you can see there are lots of pages are having these links and those pages are live. Anyway thanks for the WP:RS page. This will help. Will do a deep research on this tomorrow and will let you know. Thanks.
 * - Hi, I have removed most of the contents which don't have proper references, and also deleted the blacklisted links. Can you please review it once and share your feedback. Thanks.

PROD
It would be more helpful if you simply move WP:TOOSOON footballer articles (e.g., Emina Ekic) to draftspace rather than PROD, especially those that have been well-sourced and very likely to meet WP:NFOOTY once the season starts. Seany91 (talk) 15:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - I saw that the article had already been draftified before and moved back to mainspace by the creator. We wouldn't generally draftify an article a second time after the creator had already opposed it the first time but I agree that draftspace is the best place for Ekic at this moment as she may well become notable this year. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Articles
Hi there, I have created two articles namely Jamia Urwa-tul-Wusqa and Howza ilmeya jamia jaffria located at Lahore and Gujranwala respectively in Pakistan. Help me to build or upgrade the artical... I have provided references also.you can on Google map also... Try to prevent them from deletions... Sharief123 (talk) 12:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * These establishments most probably exist but have we got evidence that they are notable? Are there any independent sources discussing them? Spiderone  12:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Please publish my recent article Jayantamitra980 (talk) 13:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Help Me
Hello

I noticed you edited the first line of work I published for REFin Homes. I need your help with creating a Wikipedia page for a brand Collins Okere (talk) 14:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - please can you confirm what connection you have with this company? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I am not an employee of the company, I was contacted to carry out this project as a freelancer. Collins Okere (talk) 15:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - you will need to disclose this on your user page before you continue editing; I have left a message on your talk page with detailed instructions Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey I've added citation for my article. Now please publish it. Jayantamitra980 (talk) 18:02, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

amir khoshbin
hi More resources and documentation have been added, including IDs and valid links to the article(amir khoshbin)and The sources used were also edited and most of the sources can be cited in English which I hope will resolve your ambiguities about the article. To improve the article, please mention it if there are any issues so that it can be fixed, and if it is acceptable, remove the remarks from the article Thanks Mohammadkazemm (talk) 19:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - please can you disclose your connection with Mohammad Kazemzadeh? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - Hello

Maybe choosing this name to identify has caused a misconception about me .I chose this name because I was not familiar with Wikipedia and I thought that in order to write an article about a person, you must have an identity like that, otherwise the content will be deleted... I do not have a close relationship with Mr. Mohammad Kazemzadeh, but I competed and worked in jujitsu myself. I saw him many times in competitions and I am interested in him for 10 years ... Those about whom I write articles or edit articles about jujitsu based on years of experience And these are facts that perhaps few people know about, and all of them are valid with documents and sources. thanks Mohammadkazemm (talk)18:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Calais RUFC articles nomination for deletion
Hey. If you want me to Db-g7 any of the articles because that's quicker, just tell me. Otherwise, I would personally think it would be relevant to have an AfD discussion to assess each article individually. If you don't want to, that's fine. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - I was thinking of seeing what consensus comes from the Fabrice Baron one and then we'll see how that affects the notability of the others. Most of the other ones in that team pass GNG, to be fair, so deletion wouldn't be appropriate. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's fine. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it would be fair to now delete Baron. If you say the rest of the team passes GNG, are you 100% sure of that or is that just by looking at sources on the article? Or did you do some research? Just curious. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - it was just from a cursory glance at the articles, to be honest. They all seem notable enough from the sourcing provided. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:57, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright, that seems fair. Thanks again! Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:23, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Jees Mohan
Hello, I just wanted to let you know that I filed a SPI |report. -- Ashley yoursmile!  14:04, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - thanks, you beat me to it! Quite clear that this user has no intention of editing constructively. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Also, please feel free to add anything more to the report if you feel. :) Ashley  yoursmile!  14:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

bubcito
Feb 15, 2021 - Thank you for your help with regard to the Omar Rekik page! I will try to build it out a little more. Bubcito (talk) 17:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - you're welcome! Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Junior Jnr
Please I don't really agree and understand why the subject I wrote about a ghanaian artist Junior Jnr, should be deleted. Please may you suggest how to improve it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ErnesonAsante (talk • contribs) 20:56, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * None of the sources look to be independent, professional sources of the quality to meet the requirements at WP:RS. I also can't see any evidence that the musician is successful in the sense that they have won a major award or that any of their songs have placed in a national chart anywhere. Those are the main issues. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Ryan Scott (footballer, born 1976)
Hello, and sorry for the belated reply to your message, haven't been around this week. Feel free to redirect it. There may be significant coverage, but the 1980s/early 1990s is possibly the most difficult period to research: pre-internet, so no contemporary coverage outside actual printed paper with content that people had to be willing to pay money to read, but too late for most of the British Newspaper Archive and too early for most newspapers' own online archives. The match he had his 12 minutes of fame in was quite eventful, apparently, but that's by the by. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - thanks. I've decided to redirect to preserve the article history in case significant, independent sources ever do come to light. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:16, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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Record labels
Thankyou for at least beginning to make a dent against the huge number of record labels with no sources other than their own websites. It amazes me how many articles in Wikipedia have existed for over a decade with out even 1 source that is even by the most generous interpretation independent of the subject.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - a long, long way to go, my friend. I'm about halfway through the UK and haven't even started looking at all the hundreds of record label articles from the USA, Canada and Australia. I dread to think how many advert... sorry... articles I'll uncover there where the creator ends up being the person that founded the label and the article is 'sourced' to a Facebook page. I honestly wonder how things got like this. Honestly, there seem to be hundreds and hundreds of footballer, cricketer, DJ and school articles with similar issues as well. Wikipedia should be built on reliable and verifiable information. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, not requiring all new articles to go through AfD is one problem. For the first 4 or more years of Wikipedia people could create articles without creating accounts. We still do not require any non-creation edits before creating an article. Then the keep squad goes after anyone who they feel is pushing deletion too much. In 2010 or so when we finally made it so unsourced (as in no sources at all, 1 unreliable source was enough to avoid this path) biographies of living people could be nominated for deletion in a way that the only way to avoid deletion was to put a reliable source with them, we originally applied the standard only to articles created after that date. So proposed deletion regularly sees 13 year old articles on living people with 0 sources nominated for deletion. Then there were the absurdly broad inclusion guidelines like "playing in 1 first class cricket match", when 1st class is not at all close to meaning all players are fully professional, or the 1 game in a fully professional league standard for football when some countries have 3 or more fully professional leagues.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * there really needs to be an equivalent to BLP PROD that we can use for the plethora of unsourced schools and companies out there. It's way past the stage of being unmanageable now. It's very time consuming going through all of that pre-2010 junk trying to find newspaper sources that may or may not have been used to substantiate the article but that nobody could be bothered to reference the article to. It would be nice if a system could be implemented where new users need to have at least 1 AfC approved before they can freely make articles in the mainspace. This would also stop the usual sockpuppet spam as I highly doubt any of them could actually be bothered to do a proper article and actually go through AfC just to post their paid-for junk here. I agree with you about one-game presumed notability for sportspeople. I am really glad that we are finally moving away from that. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1 AfC approved article would probably be a really big inprovement. Of course with AfC having a current turn around time of "up to 4 months" that system is not working very well either.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * true. It's a problem either way. Tightening article creation might enable and free up more people to then deal with the AfC backlog, though, as it would reduce the number of speedy delete, sockpuppet and vandalism reports significantly. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Very good point. Is there a place where a formal proposal to require that all people editors need to have one article successfully go through AfC before they can create a new article can be proposed?John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:25, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

- I think it would be WP:RfC, at a guess. Unfortunately, I've never used that system before. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I created an RfC here at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation. Someone has had the audacity to claim that there is not a problem with questionable article creation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:05, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - I suggest they look at the thousands of Wikis out there without any notability policies. It's just an unmoderated spamfest of zero use to anyone. The amount of time wasted having to check these junk and borderline hoax or COI articles just to see if there is a newspaper at some point in history that gave them more than a passing mention to justify an article on them is time not well spent. However, with that being said, if there were not the few dedicated users doing just that, then Wikipedia itself would be a spamfest. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

HI!
I am Lait, the curator of P.Priime's article. It got nominated for deletion and I'll love it if you can point me in the right direction so the article does not get deleted. You can also ask any question as regards the article and why I feel it's worthy to be on wikipeadia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamlait (talk • contribs) 13:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Lait, I hope all is well. I noticed that this article appears to be the same in terms of sourcing and content as Draft:P.Priime which was declined by User:Curbon7, User:SK2242 and User:Robert McClenon. Each of those users gave good advice on why the subject was not shown to meet the notability criteria. Press release-style interviews generally don't establish notability nor do passing mentions in articles. Are there any reliable sources other than the ones already cited? I couldn't find anything myself and, if no further sources exist, I would have to say that he isn't notable enough for an article at this moment. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Iamlait - You refer to yourself as the curator of the article. Do you have any affiliation or connection to P.Priime?  Why did you create an article in article space when there was already a draft that had been declined?  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:40, 19 February 2021 (UTC)