User talk:SpitintheWind

Diocese of Tortona edits reverted
In editing the 'Diocese of Tortona', you did not understand the use of the term 'dignities', a technical term for the executive officers of a cathedral Chapter. 'Dignitaries' is incorrect, and does not convey the meaning correctly. Also, there is a difference between 'canon' (a rule, a regulation) and Canon (a church official charged with the correct observation of the ceremonies and property of a cathedral. I had to revert your edits. I would add that the use of 'dignities' is standard in Latin, French and Italian texts. --Vicedomino (talk) 21:52, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

In response to your message:
 * 1) You have undone a number of entirely proper corrections and additions: you were wrong to do so, and should replace them. On your two specific points, for which you have reverted the whole of a much wider edit:
 * 2) In English, surely "dignities"/"dignitaries" are synonyms in the specific sense of cathedral chapter officials, and "dignitaries" is more easily understood, but I won't argue with you about it. If you can source it, however, you could usefully add the term to the article on Cathedral chapters, where it is not to be found as yet.
 * 3) Your assertion about the difference between "canon" and "Canon" is simply wrong: English does not distinguish meanings by the use of capitalisation in this way. The use of capitals throughout the article needs improvement, but I won't waste any more time on it.
 * 4) NB WP:BITE, if you please! I have not even had a welcome message yet!


 * In response to your self-exculpation:


 * To find out about dignities, you might read some of the citations. The burden is on you, not on me. It is not incumbent on me to add to the article on cathedral chapter. A Chapter, by the way, is a corporate body, with officials (dignities) and by-laws (canons). They also obeyed the law of the church, Canon Law.  If you call it the "Parliament of the United Kingdom" or the "United States Senate", using capital letters, then Chapter, and Canon, Senator, and Queen, and Prime Minister, are all appropriate. Since you are a newbie, I would point out that "policies" on Wikipedia are general guidelines, not Laws or Rules. Exceptions are always permitted, as necessary, and in addition, various Project groups have policies as well, which may supercede the general policies in the WP:MOS.


 * --Vicedomino (talk) 00:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


 * For fuck's sake, who needs this crap from a semiliterate? bye, Wikipedia.SpitintheWind (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Is the above how you people treat new contributors? I won't be back, but I leave it to you lot to deal in some appropriate way with User:Vicedomino, who's not only extremely patronising but also ill-informed, and has just cost you a reasonably able contributor.SpitintheWind (talk) 01:34, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


 * If you'd like to complain about someone's behavior, please make sure that your hands are clean before doing so. Closing request: I'm unsure how to help either side if a request for help is paired with personal insults. If you would like to escalate the issue, please see Dispute resolution. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Dignities / dignitaries (for the record)
DIGNITY / DIGNITARY:

DIGNITY, signifies honour and authority, &c., and may be divided into superior and inferior: as the titles of duke, earl, viscount, baron, &c. are the highest names of dignity; and those of baronet, knight, esquire, &c. are the lowest order. ...

DIGNITY ECCLESIASTICAL, ecclesiastical dignities, are those of archbishop, bishop, dean, archdeacon, and prebendary, and the possessor of these dignities are called ''dignitaries.

--Vicedomino (talk) 04:13, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


 * You seem not to realise that you have proved my point: the correct word for the office holders is "dignitaries". I came back to see if I had been too hasty and should reconsider leaving, but you have made it clear that the standards here are so low that any more time spent here would be wasted. I'm glad to have found that out straight away. SpitintheWind (talk) 13:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


 * You are incorrect. You attempted to alter the text referring to the offices (dignities), not the persons (dignitaries). Your original complaint, "In English, surely "dignities"/"dignitaries" are synonyms in the specific sense of cathedral chapter officials..." is proved to be wrong by the citation from the legal dictionary.


 * --Vicedomino (talk) 18:45, 22 January 2019 (UTC)