User talk:Spleodrach/Archive/Archive 002

Vandals blocked
Hi Snappy

Thanks for the msg on my talk, and sorry to see you having to put up withis :)

I have blocked the two vandal-IPs, and semi-protected Phoenix Park. Would you like me to semi-protect your talk page for a while? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, BHG, your help is appreciated. Unless the vandals come back again, I think my talk page should be ok. They've probably got bored and moved on by now. Snappy56 (talk) 07:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They was students, so have probably gone off the pub or to facebook, or wherever it is that students go these days :)
 * Anyway, if there's more hassle, lemme know. Talk page vandalism is a real nuisance, so I'd b glad to help. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nowrap
Hi Snappy

Why are you removing the nowrap templates from Template:IrishGovernmentDepartments and lotsd of others which have just popped up on my watchlist? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have checked the diffs more carefully! I see you are using the Nowrap begin/Nowrap end templates. I didn't know about them before, but they look like a v good idea. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, they make it easier to read when editing a template. Snappy56 (talk) 05:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They do indeed -- easier all round, as well as reducing the number of template calls. Definitely a good idea. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Colours on county templates
I think it's a bit much to say the green is "unreadable", it's been like that for a half year at this stage and no one else has had much trouble! I think at the most, it could be changed to a lighter green, but even that would be pushing it. Also, it's actually quite usual for each US state anyway to have its own colour, eg. the California ones are gold. -- Schcambo aon scéal? 11:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The current shade of green does make it hard to view, maybe not totally unreadable but definitely not easy on the eyes. I don't think it's a good idea for each county to get its own colour, too many variations, it should be a standard colour for all counties. I changed them back to the standard navbox blue, it you don't like that colour then, a lighter shade of green is definitely necessary. I've changed Dun Laoghaire to a slightly lighter shade, this difference is subtle but crucial! Let me know what you think. If you can find another lighter shade of green, please put it in. Snappy56 (talk) 11:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't mean every county should have its own colour, I mean the whole country should have a non-standard (i.e. not blue) one, like how every US state uses one colour for all that state's counties. If you get me! The DLR colour looks good actually. -- Schcambo aon scéal? 11:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I get you now. Well, the colour doesn't have to be green, one third of the national flag is orange; there's no reason everything associated with Ireland must be green! There is also St. Patrick's Blue, lets think outside the box! Snappy56 (talk) 11:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * St. Patrick's Blue is a lovely colour, but it's not exactly a brilliant choice as the background for blue links.
 * In a lot of Ireland, orange is not likely to be acceptable colour except as part of the flag. So how about a compromise of a green border for the whole box: I mean the thin line around the whole thing, rather than the background to the template header. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure if that's possible, actually? Anyways, the new green looks quite nice, I think. -- Schcambo aon scéal? 19:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see any visible difference in the shades of green between these two versions ... though, to be honest, the std navbox header is really too dark a blue for adequate constrast. The best solution, I suggest, would be a much lighter shade of green. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Links recently added in the euro pages
Hi Snappy! I checked the pages, and although SPAM, it seems to be a very useful forum. I have no problems keeping them. Any rules in WP against this type of pages? Miguel.mateo (talk) 13:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes there are, see WP:External links, No. 10 Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace or Fan sites), discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), USENET newsgroups or e-mail lists. These are the rules. Snappy56 (talk) 13:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha! Thanks! Miguel.mateo (talk) 13:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Farrell McElgunn
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 * A simple message here would have sufficed without nominating the article for deletion. It was an obvious error in putting the Wikiproject info on the main instead of the talk page, which I was in the process of correcting until you barged in. Cop yourself on in future! Snappy56 (talk) 08:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And thanks for the welcome message but after 3 years and 11,000 edits, I don't actually need it! Snappy56 (talk) 08:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Section headings
Hi Snappy

Per Manual of Style (links), section headings in articles should not contain links. I have therefore reverted your last change to MEPs for Ireland 1984-1989, and two other MEP list articles. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, I wasn't aware of that. Must re-read the MoS! Snappy56 (talk) 12:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's too huge to read in one go, what with all the subpages. I generally only read chunks of it when someone tells me I have gotten it wrong, or if something looks wrong and I need to check. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

This is long overdue
Moved to Barnstars


 * Thank you very much, BHG. It is much appreciated. Snappy56 (talk) 23:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

WT Cosgrave
Hi I notice you edited the article "Government of the 30th Dáil" by making the remark "let's not write WT Cosgrave out of history". As I had earlier made a comment that Mr. Cowen was the 11th Taoiseach and that WT Cosgrave was never Taoiseach I just want to make sure that you had not misunderstood my intention. It think it is fair to count Mr Cowen as the 12th Head of Government unless we want to start a debate about the leaders in the first three Daileanna and their exact status! It is also fair to count Mr. Cowen as the 11th Taoiseach because it is historical fact. By stating that historical fact, it was never my intention to write WT Cosgrave out of history just simply to put right an error put about in many places yesterday when it was stated that Mr. Cowen was the "12th Taoiseach". 12th Head of Government is the correct compromise! Apologies if I caused any offence. By the way I'm interested in Irish politics articles and Irish articles in general and contribute when I have time. If there is anything I can help with let me know Rigger30 (talk) 18:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there, what I meant by that comment was that although Cowen is 11th Taoiseach, the position of head of government of Ireland dates from 1922 not 1937. (Taking 1922 as date becuase that is when a modern Irish state acheived de jure and de facto independence and international recognition.) Therefore W.T. Cosgrave shoule be counted too, he was Head of government for 10 years longer than many Taoisigh. Eamon de Valera was also President of the Executive Council from 1932 to 1937. The change was a largely symbolic name change, although there is some Chairman vs. Chief debate. The Irish Independent has been referring to Cowen as the 12th Taoiseach, which is technically inaccurate but factually correct if they are including W.T. Cosgrave as head of government. No offence was caused by your editing. There is always plenty to edit on Irish politics articles, the more editors the merrier! Snappy56 (talk) 04:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Bertie
Thanks for making me laugh, This edit summary elegantly used sarcasm without being rude :) -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, I'm here all week! Snappy56 (talk) 10:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Cowen
Sorry about messing up the Brian cowen page ,didnt notice the template was breaking stuff ,i've fixed it see User:Gnevin/sandbox2 mind if we add ? Gnevin (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If it is working properly go ahead, and set the title to Brian Cowen. Snappy56 (talk) 08:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The font is smaller as its in a smaller area as far as i can see Gnevin (talk) 07:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Members of Dáil Éireann by session template.
I have removed this from pages. Dneale52 (talk) 11:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Bono/Finglas
Hi. I've noticed a few anons have added Bono to the "list of famous people from Finglas" every now and again. Personally I agree that it's probably not entirely accurate to say he's from Finglas - #10 Cedarwood being "officially" in Glasnevin. However, without getting into the age old Dublin game of "re-classifying" one's parish to get the more desirable address, a case could be made that Cedarwood estate is in Ballymun, Glasnevin or Finglas. (In fact the Finglas local electoral area has its borders in Cedarwood.) Anyway, I'm not suggesting it be included right now, but if it continues to cause wars of attrition, there may be a case for a compromise wording like: Bono is from Cedarwood road, which borders with Finglas. Or something similar. Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 09:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think its only people from Finglas who ever add Bono. Bono, himself has never mentioned Finglas as the place he grew up (in fact as far I can see he never mentions it at all!), he mentions Ballymun alright. If someone can provide a reference saying Bono grew up in Finglas then fair enough but just because Dublin suburban boundaries change and the house where Bono grew up may now be considered to be in Finglas, doesn't make Bono from Finglas. Snappy56 (talk) 09:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Need help - an argument
Snappy56, I do not know if you can help. This is the second time a same user is removing content I am writing, just mentioning a reference to a commemorative coin (please check Talk:Joseph Haydn as a reference of the previous argument). This time in article Schloss Esterházy, the same user (with the help of another user) is constantly reverting my changes and is asking for another discussion. Can you please pitch in? Sorry to bother, Miguel.mateo (talk) 15:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, if possible, please pitch in here WP:ANI as well. Miguel.mateo (talk) 00:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have commented in Schloss Esterházy and proposed a compromise. I don't know why those editors are against inclusion of coin image; they are relevant and there is established precedent, but there are all sorts on Wikipedia! Snappy56 (talk) 05:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi there, once again.

This time I write to give you a BIG THANKS for your support and a HUGE APOLOGY for all the trouble created with my contributions in non-numismatics related articles. I was honestly just trying to bring more traffic to the commemorative coins articles (which for me is, obviously, fascinating), but after a lot of thoughts I have realized that there is any sort of Wikipedians out there. Hence I have changed my views.

I will continue putting information here and there of commemorative coins as long as is notable and relevant enough, but I will not fight any more if the content is removed or changed. I might try in the talk page to ask for a consensus, but will not die for it. Instead I will concentrate all my efforts in trying to finish the "Euro gold and silver commemorative coins" series; which is already in a very good shape, thanks to people like you.

BTW, I have proposed Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Belgium) for peer review, hoping that can be promoted to a featured article. The final goal will be to create a Euro Coins Collector's Portal with all the series and information from articles that you have contributed, and (if possible) get it promoted to a featured Portal. If you are interesting in helping in this process, please comment here. I hope it gets promoted, and after this learning process, I am planning to propose immediately Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Ireland) and Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Austria), which are almost completed from my stand point.

Once again thank for your support. Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Cats
Mea culpa. It is of course, "Members of the X Dail" that is the subcategory I should have referred to.

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 10:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Irelande Douze Points
You left a fact tag on the Irelande Douze Points article, and an edit summary questioning how the former was reminiscent of the We Are The Winners. I was doing a cleanup and rewrote that section: The connection (and only connection) between the two songs is that they both have titles that cheekily suggest doing very well, and lyrics that directly appeal for votes. Fribbler (talk) 18:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I see, Tx Snappy56 (talk) 00:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Radio Telefís Éireann
Snappy56 - you did not sign your vote! Djegan (talk) 09:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Done now. Snappy56 (talk) 09:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Template Popes
You have changed the title in the Template:Popes from Popes of the Catholic Church to Popes of the Roman Catholic Church. Catholic Church redirects to Roman Catholic Church; so what's the point of your change? Catholic Church is simplier than Roman Catholic Church; so what change it? Auson (talk) 01:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Disambiguation page names
Just wanted to let you know - for disambiguation pages, when there is no primary topic, the disambiguation page should be located just at the title, not at "Title (disambiguation)". Not really something many people know, but I figured I'd let you know in case you ran across that in the future. For more information, you can take a look at Disambiguation. -- Nataly a 16:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. Snappy56 (talk) 22:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD
By firstly, claiming that adding a prod was "not completing the process", secondly, asserting that AfD was better for an uncontroversial delete, thirdly, insisting in the face of all the evidence that an article can be deleted and merged and, fourthly, believing that you can withdraw an AfD nomination while saying that the article "can be deleted", as you did on Articles for deletion/Phantom Taoiseach, Articles for deletion/Mature recollection and my talk page, you have shown that it is you who need to read the procedures, not me. I don't appreciate being held up to the community as a sloppy worker. Of course, you don't have to apologise, but it would restore some of my respect for you if you did. I have added a prod to Chairman or Chief. Please don't interfere with it unless you actually intend to oppose it. If you want to salvage anything from it for inclusion in other articles you will have time to do so. Scolaire (talk) 17:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It was a bit of an understanding on my part and I was going to explain it properly but since your comments above, whose tone I don't care for, no further discussion with you is going to happen now. Snappy56 (talk) 22:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't care for the tone of any of your contributions. And I never asked for further discussion.  Where I come from, we apologise for "a bit of a misunderstanding" and we strike  untrue and unfair comments from discussions.  That's not your way, apparently, so this "discussion" is ended.  Scolaire (talk) 06:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I already said, and your most recent comment just proved my point further. Snappy56 (talk) 09:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ireland's ratification process of Lisbon Treaty
See Talk Bogger (talk) 13:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Image:Dáil Éireann constituencies circa May 2007.png
See here and Image:Dáil Éireann constituencies circa May 2007.png. I've run them past and they seem OK, but if there are any inaccuracies, please point them out. Barryob is better at doing SVGs than me (I don't do SVGs: long story) so it'll do until he can do something cool. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 03:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it looks very good. I've added it to Parliamentary constituencies in the Republic of Ireland. One minor comment, where is the mouth of the Shannon?, Kerry and Clare appear to share a land border! ;-) Snappy56 (talk) 19:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What, you mean they don't? It's a political map, not geophysical: the northern boundary of Kerry North constituency extends half-way across the Shannon estuary, where it meets the southern boundary of Clare constituency. A similar situation pertains with Clare and Limerick West. A map of the constituencies can be found here, accessed from here. So if there is an error, it lies with the Oireachtas: all complaints to be directed to Leinster House
 * On a more serious point, there is a tiny error with the northern boundary of Limerick East: there is a small salient pushing north as far as Ardnacrusha. It's not noticeable, and will do for now, but as time passes it'll need to be changed.
 * Even worse, I can't devote more time to this: post-Lisbon, I'm getting aaaarghs left, right and center and I'm swamped. When Barryob has the time to do a SVG (he did a lovely one of the EU constituencies) he'll be able to correct any minor errors. A full blow-by-blow account of the changes can be found on the Commons description page of the referendum results. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 00:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have come prepared this time Image:Irish constituencies.svg constituency map for the next election. -- Barryob  (Contribs)   (Talk)  17:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Frank MacDermot...
...had only one 't' in his surname! Nwhyte (talk) 13:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Prove it! Any references or citations you would like to provide? Oireachta members database says 2. I have reverted your cut & paste move which is not allowed on wikipedia, in future use the move tab. Snappy56 (talk) 19:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I see you came round to my way of thinking! Nwhyte (talk) 13:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Plural of Referendum is Referendums - OED
It's also referenda. Check dictionary.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.101.62 (talk) 04:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it isn't! OED rules! Snappy56 (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Patrick Halliden
The article states he is farmer and teacher by profession. This needs a more clarification. Can you please explain how a person can be both farmer and teacher or which is his main profession? Thanks.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 18:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have clarified the sentence. A person can have more than one profession, why here in Ireland we usually have 3 or 4! Snappy56 (talk) 18:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this wording makes sense.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 19:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorting Irish names
Hello. I've noticed that you've been sorting some Irish king articles. The only problem is that, regardless of what Categorization of people may seem to say, mac Murchada is a patronym, and is not the same as the surname Mac Murchada. Indexes have "Donnchad mac Murchada" appear under D for Donnchad, but Diarmait Mac Murchada under M for Mac Murchada. Hope this makes sense, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I see. Snappy56 (talk) 07:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Navboxes
I noticed you've added the name of the person to some of the Navboxes I added, I can make this standard behaviour as I add more in future. If you want me to do so please reply at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland, Thanks Gnevin (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically this occurs if the article isn't formatted correct. As I've only 250 articles to go through,i'll just need to be more careful with the last few Gnevin (talk) 10:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be a start. If you were more thorough in the first place it would have helped, harsh but true. Snappy56 (talk) 12:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The very nature of this project means it's very hard to be 100% correct even with all the checks I've added . I did a 4 dáil test run which ,i made some suggested changes too and continued when no one objected . The number of errors is very low when compared to the number of articles and the difficulty with subst:titles ,moving the  oireachtas-database and other issues that have to be kept in mind Gnevin (talk) 15:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Mcs
Sorry. My fault. Will know for future. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 22:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The elephant in the room
I agree with very little of what you've written on my talk page, and would gladly thrash out those issues with you after we sort this out. However, your failure to do more than hint at our current problem, your wish to ignore Wikipedia's categorisation rules, is more than a little disingenuous. Don't you think?

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 13:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Adding an article into 2 categories (for very valid reasons as I have pointed out) is piffling compared to your active participation in a campaign and then flagrantly flouting wikipedia's rules on conflict of interest. Perhaps you should concern yourself with the beam in your own eye and not the mote in mine. Snappy56 (talk) 06:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And I see you've blocked for a week for other 'activities', no doubt that wasn't your fault either, other people ganging up on you, could see your point of view sort of thing, do yourself a favour and forget about 1 category on wikipedia. And try not to be so bold as to get yourself blocked in future. Snappy56 (talk) 07:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

European Parks: urban walled and enclosed urban
Regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phoenix_Park&diff=prev&oldid=235734481. I must say I'm confused by the Britannica reference. It seems that Richmond Park is "Europe's largest urban walled park" http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/jan/04/fitness  http://www.royalparks.org.uk/press/current/press_release_55.cfm whereas Phoenix Park is "Europe’s largest enclosed urban park". Well that's cleared that up. shellac (talk) 10:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Richmond Park is a Royal Park, meaning it is a crown possession and public access is by royal by the grace of the crown. Phoenix Park is a true public park. Snappy56 (talk) 00:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * But Izmaylovsky Park and the Englischer Garten aren't. Apologies, I should have been clearer. These 'biggest / tallest X' discussion always seem to turn on fine distinctions that are too awkward to fit into a lead ('tallest free standing containing restaurant' etc). I thought 'one of the largest' just felt safer, but I defer to your feelings on this matter. It's still a pretty big park ;-) shellac (talk) 07:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not that bothered personally but previously alot of editors insisted on putting in the largest in Europe fact (possibly because they learned it in school) so it seemed best to leave it with the footnotes explaining the details. Snappy56 (talk) 08:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

See these
Since you seem a bit confused as to WP's approach to some definitional matters, please see Category:Ireland and Category:Republic of Ireland and their corresponding definitions. Thanks. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Those categories correspond with what I've been saying. Looks like you're the confused one. Snappy56 (talk) 08:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Irish politicians
Hello. Please help me understand your reason for removing Parnell from the category "Irish politicians". He was surely nothing other than an Irish politician, though admittedly an MP and not a TD, which may be the cause of the degradation, but hardly acceptable ? I wish to rev. it. Greetings and thanks Osioni (talk) 10:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason is because he is a member of Category:Home Rule League MPs and Category:Irish Parliamentary Party MPs, both cats are subcats of Category:Irish politicians by party which is a sub cat of Irish politicians. Ideally there should be no individual articles in the top cat of Irish politicians as they should all be in one of the sub cats. Snappy56 (talk) 03:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ideally then, this reasoning demands a follow up with a complete clean up of Category:Irish politicians? most of whom belong to a particular political party or movement. Was Collins not a Sinn Fein MP/TD for example. Many other Sinn Fein MP/TDs in Category Irish politicians should be in their Category:Irish Sinn Féin politicians or not ? Either all names classified correctly and not just Parnell. Also, to have admirably fought as active IRB/IRA/Volunteer hardly qualifies to be in cat. 'Irish politicians'? (Cat. Sinn Féin politicians of course, yes). For clarity, the category should say, names listed are those not belonging to a particular party or movement?  Osioni (talk) 21:37, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Have followed up creating Category:Irish Nationalist politicians and moved names from Cat. Irish politicians to it or to Cat. SF politicians and other Cats., etc. Difficult to know how to sub-categorize those remaining. Will in due course work through IPP and other party MPs [User:Osioni|Osioni]] (talk) 11:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Snappy. May I draw your attention to User_talk:Osioni.--Damac (talk) 12:47, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

River Shannon
The River Shannon is the longest river in the British Isles, something I think the Irish can take pride in, but there is no need to mention it in the articles introductory paragraphs. The British Isles has always been a geographical rather than political term and there has never been a sovereign state that encomposed the whole of the British Isles, even when the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland was still in existance. The British Isles should be a neutural term, as it is not supposed to be political, but where the problem lies is that it can easily be confused to mean something that it does not and that's why it is sometimes best avoided, such as in the introduction of the River Shannon article. Christopedia (talk) 04:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Irish surname Hassan
The surname Hassan is found in the area of Derry county, Northern Ireland. It is the anglicized form of Ó hOsáin. That's why it is correct to be included in the category Irish surnames Yadamavu (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC))
 * Oops, my mistake! Snappy56 (talk) 08:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Date linking
Greetings,

Please note that many dates are linked NOT for "autoformatting" but for historical reasons. Ryoung122 10:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * Example? Snappy56 (talk) 10:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

LP COI
Hello. The COI noticeboard seems to be a bit slow, LP is happily reverting in the meantime - is there another (quicker) avenue I can take to get admin involvement? Thanks! Fin©™ 12:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think so. You'll have to go with COI for now. Snappy56 (talk) 08:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Spire of Dublin
Hey Snappy, I'll preface this by saying that I'm a corkman and these days only go to dublin for all ireland finals (ie not a lot), but I had thought the spike was the usual name. Anyway. Ceoil sláinte 09:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think everyone calls it The Spire these days, the Spike is a bit passe. Though some people may still call it that. I'll the reference in but move it from the intro. Snappy56 (talk) 08:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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The Master of Sockpuppets
Hello Snappy56. Just curious, which Sock-master has the most socks (to date). GoodDay (talk) 18:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know but I'd say Wikipeire is probably up there. Snappy56 (talk) 02:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Now, now!!
Choimeád do drochtheanga!! :) I couldn't help but chuckle, though - A l is o n  ❤ 18:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It might be funny but it is also a breach of WP:NPA. So please comment on content and not the editor or you can be reported and blocked. BigDunc  Talk 20:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite right, hence the friendly warning. Quite a number of us on here are gaelgóirí and using a different language is no excuse for telling someone to "go fuck themselves" :/ - A l is o n  ❤ 23:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry bout that, Alison, I'll refrain from cursing as gaelige in future, even if the object of my ire deserves it! That is wikipeire and his 101st sock account. Go raibh maith agat, Snappy56 (talk) 02:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

N4
Hi perhaps you can help me to fix a mistake i made while trying to improve the article on the N4 road (Ireland). I edited the box with the list of junction numbers to look more like the similar one in the article on the N7 and seem to have messed it up somewhat and can't fix it. I'd appreciate any help. Junctions 1-5 have the same cprojected completion date and obviously the text too far to the right needs to be moved left. Rigger30 (talk) 20:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I had a look and fixed the table. Its all about colspan and rowspan! Ideally these should be templates, if someone had the time and inclination to do so. Snappy56 (talk) 07:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Haider and Petzner
It is very annoying cleaning up after you over and over again. read discussion, think and then edit. in this order!!!!! Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oxygen305 (talk • contribs) 18:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean trying to censor the facts, it that what you call cleaning up? I will reply in full on Haider's page, and btw, don't give me orders! Snappy56 (talk) 02:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I am nor trying to give you orders but rather to find common grounds for a discussion and your edits. AFTER Haider's death, Petzner made all his famous statements and we can't ask Joerg, do we? --Oxygen305 (talk) 11:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It was an open secret in Vienna for years that Haider was gay, no less a reliable source than the International Herald Tribune said so. Furthermore, please confine further discussion on this issue to the relevant talk page. Snappy56 (talk) 08:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipeire Again?
If you haven't spotted this it looks like wikipeire is back again

There was two 7816 ranges here changing Ireland/ROI and now a logged editor EdiTtors who has been messing around with Ireland related articles .Garda40 (talk) 13:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Mary Coughlan
Hi there. I noticed you reverted the Coughlan edit again without discussing it on the talkpage as requested. Consensus has not been reached and currently 2 out of the 3 editors commenting agree that the material should remain until consensus has been reached. Please revert your edit until we have reached consenus. No-one wants to keep material that is not encyclopaedic, but we must discuss it rather than take rash, unilateral action. I would also remind you of Three-revert rule and hope we can avoid edit warring. Best, GeneralBelly (talk) 13:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks but I don't need to be reminded of any wikipedia policies as I am current with all of them. I do not dispute the source but the content. You say 2 out of 3 editors, are we voting here? Wikipedia is not about head counting. Are you including the anon editor in that? I will not revert my edit, thanks for suggesting that though. Maybe you can on Mary Coughlan's talk page answer my question, which no editor has yet done. How is an insult hurled by an opposition spokesperson at a government minister during the course of a Dail debate encyclopaedic? Tx, PS don't reply here! Snappy56 (talk) 13:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

ROI Roads Template
Seeing as the box currently displays, and gives links for, road in the Republic, it is misleading to have "Roads in Ireland" as its header. This can be altered if you believe it were to include roads and motorways from both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. What do you think? Personally I would support such a move. However, as long as the list of roads in the box deals solely with those south of the border, I will oppose the title "Ireland" being given to it. Many thanks. D.de.loinsigh (talk) 18:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, Ireland is the official name of the country of which Dublin is the capital. Therefore the name in the template should reflect this and we don't need a pointless redirect anyway. Snappy56 (talk) 07:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey! Love the Regional Roads template, excellent work! Only it really highlights the amount of work remaining to be done....is it 90% redlinks? Sarah777 (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes there are lots of redlinks, lots of work to be done but thankfully there are no deadlines on wikipedia! Snappy56 (talk) 23:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What to do about your impersonators
See WP:DOPPEL. It is perfectly OK for you to create as many of these accounts as you can think up names for yourself, as long as you mark them with doppelganger and never edit with them. Daniel Case (talk) 23:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try that but since I can't think of every possible variation of my username, I still think this vandal should be blocked indefinitely. Snappy56 (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Wikipéire here. Can I just say that none of those accounts that impersenate you have anything to do with me, even though the checkuser says otherwise. I do have some self respect.78.16.140.2 (talk) 21:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Checkuser never lies, you do! You are a proven liar too! Prove you have self respect, stay away from wikipedia totally. Snappy56 (talk) 23:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well this time it is. Those accounts have nothing to do with me. I'll swear on my mother, your mother, everyone's mother. Impersonating someone is way past the line. I'm just anti POV. I'm only here to stop the political censoring of the constitutional name of my country. I don't fight against specific editors. I'll stay away from Wikipedia when the censorship stops. It might happen soon if the article Republic of Ireland is moved to Ireland (state) or whatever. Anyway again those are not me. I'd request a new checkuser if I were you; I'd want to know who was impersonating me if I were you.78.16.12.105 (talk) 23:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Put a sock in it, Wikipéire. Oh wait, you have many many times! I don't care what you say, I will never believe you. You are proven to be a liar and a sockpuppeteer. Blame checkuser all you like, the Bart Simpson defence doesn't wash with me. I suppose you have nothing to do with User:Brisk69 either, my latest stalker. Snappy56 (talk) 23:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No I don't. I'd really suggest you do another checkuser. If you want the impersonators to go away, you're gonna have to stop the actual guy who's doing it to you! You don't have to believe me, if the admin who did the intial look does it again, they will see they made a mistake. That way you can believe the facts rather than "believing me".213.202.181.36 (talk) 00:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Get a life, saddo! Snappy56 (talk) 03:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

You need to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Ovlem. There you will see Alison has declared many of the accounts not you tagged not to be me. If you don't read it, I'll get nishkid to do it. I am indiscussion with that editor, but would be better for you if you did it.78.16.174.172 (talk) 10:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Just drop it, ok and GET A LIFE!!! Snappy56 (talk) 10:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok I'll go to the administrator then. That way we'll get some closure.78.16.174.172 (talk) 11:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I urge to seek professional help in real life, you really need it. You are dangerously deluded. An administrator, I'd like to see what an admin makes of a request from a banned user, self confessed sockmaster and vandal, yes I would. Snappy56 (talk) 11:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Blueshirts
re your categories - were the Blueshirts a "political party"? - they supported one - but imo they are not a political party themselvesClemMcGann (talk) 13:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose they were more a political movement than a political party. Snappy (talk) 07:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Éamon de Valera
I noticed you added reference to Éamon de Valera and that you changed many of the cite date and accessdate from the "2008-12-03" format to "3 December 2008" format. Perhaps you did not know that is the suggested format as you will see from the Wikipedia:Citation templates examples when using citation templates. I see you used Fr. Farragher's book for one ref. I have a copy and am sure there are more refs to be had from it. With work the article could become a GA or FA but it need many citations before that would happen. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 05:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well according to cite web documentation - "date: Full date of publication in the same format as the main text of the article." and "accessdate: Full date when item was accessed.", so that means full dates not ISO. As for GA or FA, its a possibility in future but it needs a lot of work. Snappy (talk) 07:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Curious, but that is the complete opposite to the citation examples. It would be good if they were coordinated for consistency. FA/GA indeed needs quite a bit of work. ww2censor (talk) 16:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD Sockpuppetry
You commented on the apparent sockpuppetry going on at Articles for deletion/Eamonn Kelly (priest). As an interested party, I have opened up a sockpuppetry investigation at Suspected sock puppets/Balloholic and am open to your review and comment. Trusilver 16:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Matthew Joseph Minch
Thanks for your edit here. While procedural it is something to be included; there are only two positions through which you can resign as an MP, and that is one of them; it provides a (tiny amount, it is a stub) of depth to the article. Another way of looking at it is that the Steward of the Manor of Northstead is a crown office and therefore worthy of inclusion within the article, but that goes into the realm of wiki-lawyering. Ironholds (talk) 14:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't feel the mention of the Steward of the Manor of Northstead is relevant because it is not an office that he held, it was merely the device by which he resigned. Whether ones resigns by handing in a letter or through an obscure archaic office doesn't really matter. However, if you feel strongly on this issue, do add it back in if you like, I won't object. Snappy (talk) 23:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Desmond Larkin
Can you prove that they are not related, do you have a reference, Mr Snappy.--Balloholic (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mr Snappy, who says I am male? or any other gender for that matter. See Gender studies. Snappy (talk) 07:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Please Upload New Federal Council Pictures
replace in last year picture -- Thank you User: Nonpawit  —Preceding undated comment was added at 09:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC).
 * I'm too busy now. Why don't you do it? Snappy (talk) 10:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Louis Dalton
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Speedy deletion of Seán McCurtin
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Speedy deletion of Patrick Duffy (Irish politician)
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yeah but...
POLITICIAN wasn't around last time I did true RC... In my time, this was uncontroversial cruft-delete. Yeah consensus change and I have to step up, but no need to be an asshole about it. :D Thanks!--Cerejota (talk) 11:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Why vile? Read what you wrote, and see how you would feel and react if someone were to speak to you like that? I was actually constrained and peace-seeking, smiley and all. Thanks!--Cerejota (talk) 12:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * "Please take the time to familiarise yourself with these and other notability guidelines, as it will save you from wasting your time in future." - arrogance and condescension is to be met and crushed. However, WP:IPAT.. Thanks!--Cerejota (talk) 12:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologize for misconstruing your intentions, and for calling you and asshole. I ask, however that in the future, understand that approaching people with "advice" can be done in better ways. And it is not a waste of time, I use the super tool: WP:TWINKLE. I use the one in gadgets under preferences... It take like 2 seconds to CSD.--Cerejota (talk) 12:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Article assessments
I seem to be following you around the last few days tagging and assessing new Irish articles from this useful page that I only found recently. Having been a member of the Ireland WikiProject and very active with the assessment department team for quite some time I have been quite happy to see that in 18 months we have brought the assessed irish article from 1,100 to 22,000+. I notice that when you add the project assessment template WikiProject Ireland that you don't seem to fill in the "image-needed" and "infobox-needed" parameters. They are actually quite useful as they populates the categories as noted in the instructions section; Category:Ireland articles needing images and Category:Ireland articles needing infoboxes. It would be great if you would try to fill in as many parameters as possible. BTW you may want to add yourself to the member's list as you are doing some of our work. (I post in one place to keep a discussion together, so am watching this page). Cheers ww2censor (talk) 05:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I'll fill in those parameters in future, and I've added myself to the list. Snappy (talk) 06:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a good job you're doing, cheers. ww2censor (talk) 15:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

RTÉ template
Hi, thanks. Well, what started as a small task soon became ever larger as I realised the possibilities are entirely endless. The trouble being that there are constantly new shows coming along (like this week for example) and, even though it looks very one-sided and recent, it is easier to get the newer or returning programmes out of the way first before going into the archive. Another difficulty is that I seem to be one of the more regular contributors to that rather negelected area, although I don't mind really - it makes the challenge rather fun! So I'll keep Nighthawks in mind along with some of the other ideas I have for when TV production is slow.

As for size, yeah... I have actually been noticing that but didn't wish to let it distract me from my creation binge. I imagine it will have to split eventually or some other solution sought but for now I've just tried to keep it as tidy as possible and tried to be careful with the structure of genres - the term "makeover" has lots of potential, for example, as it can cover lifestyle changes, gardening, home renovation and lots of other possibilities. I've thought about dividing the template between RTÉ One and Two but of course there are genres which feature on both channels so that would simply double the problem. And then there's The Panel which is very problematic due to me being uncertain whether it ought to go on its current channel or its historic channel. So as you can see what seems quite a simple area to be involved in has its complications! But thanks for getting in touch and I look forward to hearing any ideas. --➨♀♂ Candlewicke STundefined 16:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for comments
Hi there,

Is a bit long, but can you comment at Template_talk:Euro_adoption_future? It will be very much appreciated.

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 15:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Joe McHugh
Editors who cannot agree on what is significant might want to consider WP:DISPUTE. Autarch (talk) 19:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Lightmouse date scripts

 * I see you operate date script written by Lightmouse: A discussion at Lightmouse's house may be of interest to you. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Nighthawks
Your request from approximately 3.5 weeks ago (8 January 2009). I've nominated it for DYK as well so it has a chance to revel in the glory of being on the Main Page. Perhaps you know of additional material to enhance it? --➨♀♂ Candlewicke STundefined 19:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done, that's excellent. I have no additional sources apart from my own memory, I particularly liked Blaithín's (slightly scatty 1960s continuity announcer) sketches! Snappy (talk)

Progressive Democrats
You commented in an edit summary that "[the PD party] has already ceased to exist - 28/2 merely a formality." Do you have sources for this? --Kwekubo (talk) 16:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They are in the relevant article. Snappy (talk) 23:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Words about TDs and the Oireachtas
Hi Snappy, I'd really value your input at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles), where I think I have identified some need for a change in terminology. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

PMGI
While I know your interest in Irish politics but don't know if you can assist with something much older I am working on. I have started to write an article about the "Postmaster General of Ireland" that existed for some time mainly during the 18th century. If you have any possible sources I would appreciate any help you can give. Some of the sources I see online are somewhat confusing regarding the recombining with the Postmaster General of England. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't have any sources on that topic but if I come across anything I'll let you know. Snappy (talk) 04:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Any idea of someone else who might have an interest in that time period? Thanks ww2censor (talk) 04:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe BrownHairedGirl or Osioni might. Snappy (talk) 04:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, 18th century isn't really my territory. My interest really only perks up from the 1780s onwards, particularly after 1791. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

patrick j donnelly deletion
Hi snappy, I'm norton3600,i submitted the article witch is still underconstruction regarding patrick j donnelly,all the facts are true,and are easy to check out. This is my first article,i'm only a member for about three weeks and i'm still trying to find my way around things''So,please don't bite the new comer!' by deleting my article.

You can find me at:norton3600,irish wikipedians,

Many thanks:norton3600Norton3600 (talk) 01:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Its up to you to prove Patrick J Donnelly is notable, not just another jobbing actor. And if you are a newcomer then maybe you should wait til you know more about wikipedia before creating articles, myabe stick to editing for now. Snappy (talk) 07:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Dail constituency articles
Hi Snappy

As you may have spotted, I have been having a bit of a blitz on parliamentary constituencies in Ireland. I started by adding lists of MPs to all the Westminster constituency articles, then set about linking them and the Dail constituencies and the Parliament of Ireland constituencies through a series of templates (they already existed for Cork and a few other counties, but I did them for all 26 counties).

I then set to work on trying to improve the Dail constituency articles, many of which were in a very sorry state (some were sub-stubs, others a bit longer but very scrappy). So far I have made some progress through the Dublin constituencies, but only a few have gotten to where I'm happy to leave them for now. The best of the bunch is, I think, Dublin County (although Dublin Townships comes close), and if you have few minutes I'd really appreciate you casting a critical it over Dublin County to see what you think.

The article now includes the three elements that I think all the constituency articles should have: a) full description of boundaries and boundary changes; b) a complete list of all TDs; c) complete election results.  It's very data-heavy and so it feels very dry, and to remedy that it needs more detailed accounts of the politics of the constituency, but my hope is that by starting with the data there's a framework that can be built on, for example by providing a more detailed account of some constituency's more interesting elections (such as the 1927 by-election after the death of O'Higgins and noting how it provided a seat for number of significant TDs.

I think you probably have more experience of the articles on Irish politics than any other wikipedia editor, so I'd really value you thoughts on the direction I'm taking with them. Please be as critical as you like! -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi BHG, I think you are doing an excellent job on the Dail constituency articles. Dublin County looks in very good shape. There are a bit data heavy but I see nothing wrong in that, this is the nature of election results after all. It's great that you are back to wikipedia full time, keep up the good work! Snappy (talk) 06:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think it's best to get a second opinion, and since you and I have disagreed on things before, I know I can rely on you to point out a problem if you see one, and that's just what's needed.
 * Now I have another thing to seek your advice on, related to this. You'll have seen the table of TDs in Dublin County: it was a big job to make it, partly because of the huge amount of markup involved.  I thought it would be easier with templates, so I created a set which I have now used in several articles, including table of TDs for Clare.  I haven't documented the templates yet, and they may not make much sense to others until then, but in making them I took one design decision which I'd appreciate your thoughts on.
 * The Dublin County table of TDs includes the shortname of each TD's party, but I thought when reading it that it makes the table a bit cluttered: there's so much text that the names of the TDs seem to get lost in it. So when building the templates, I tried to declutter them by abbreviating the party names (e.g. Fianna Fáil/meta/abbrev rather than  Fianna Fáil/meta/shortname.  I think that this succeeds in making it easier to find see the names of the TDs, but it does rather go against the MoS guidance on not using abbreviations unless they have been explained. :(
 * So I see three options:
 * Change Irish TD table TD with party link to use shortname rather than abbrev. More clutter, but it's MoS-compliant
 * Add a key beforehand. That job could be fairly easily simplified using a template with the syntax along the lines of  -- in other words, just list the parties, and the template would build the table of keys.
 * Decide sod it, the abbreviations are good enough :)
 * What do you think? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The template is good. I think 3, the abbreviations are fine! Although if you have time, then 2 would be even better. I think the full names are clutter and the abbrevs. are wikilinked anyway. Snappy (talk) 05:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback above. I'll get to work on the key to parties when I have finished the constituency lists (only about 6 left, mostly in Cork). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Superfluous lists?
One more thing to bug you about. We have two articles listing TDs for constituencies: List of TDs for Carlow-Kilkenny and List of TDs for Cavan-Monaghan. Both the linked constituency articles now have full tables of all TDs, and I don't think that the lists add anything, so I am inclined to merge them to the constituency articles.

Do you think that's the right thing to do? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think they are superfluous now. Maybe someone in the past had plans to do lists for all constituencies but never finished it. They should be redirects as you propose. Snappy (talk) 01:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, both now redirected. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Your advice again please...
Hi Snappy

If you'll forgive me for bugging you yet again ...

I have now completed tables of TDs for all constituency articles, and have been looking at ways of tweaking the template-generated layout to improve clarity.

Using Dublin West as an example, I have done some doodles at User:BrownHairedGirl/Dublin_West_sandbox. Could you perhaps take a look and tell me what you think? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Good stuff on finshing all the constituency articles. My preference is for version 5. I like the party colours bar and the removal of the number in the Deputy column is probably for the good, as it could imply something that it wasn't supposed to. Snappy (talk) 04:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Great, that's my preference too, so I'll implement it now. Thanks again for your thoughtful scrutiny.
 * I did a check later on and found 32 constituency articles where I had created tables of TDs, but had used the old manual technique, so I'll convert those to achieve consistency. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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Staidiums / stadia
Before you make wholesale changes across a raft of articles, you're obliged to take it to their talk pages first. In the Irish context anyway, it was decided a long time ago to go with "stadia" as the plural form. It's also a bit cheeky of you to change a couple of articles' names, then justify another with "Stadiums now most common usage on wikipedia". Thanks. -- Schcambo aon scéal? 20:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, do learn to spell the words in question, it always help and no, I don't have to discuss on talk pages first, there is such thing as being bold. "It was decided a long time ago" - don't me make me laugh! Anyway, consensus can and does change. The way it is at the moment is completely silly, about 70% of articles use the term stadiums and the remainder use stadia. It's time for a bit of consistency! Pick one option and stick with it, no mix and match!
 * What about the categories Category:Lists of stadiums and Category:Stadiums, how come you haven't replaced them with faux latin plural categories? You are wrong about the plural of Stadium, yes Stadia is used in other languages, but a loan word is pluralised according to the rules of the borrowing language not the original language, so the plural is Stadiums. See also Referendum / Referendums not Referenda. Snappy (talk) 03:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Date_formatting_and_linking_poll
Hi there, Snappy! I noticed that like me, you are opposed to any form of dates autoformatting. However, you did not sign your entry, but that has now been rectified. I would let you know that I have created some userboxes which you might like to add to your userspace to indicate your position. You will find the boxes here. Ohconfucius (talk) 13:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing my signing. I have used your 'Lipstick on a Pig' infobox, nice one! Snappy (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Celebrity Bainisteoir
The section of the Celebrity Bainisteoir article that says a few words about each of the bainisteoirí does not limit info to their occupation, therefore the edit summary "Sexual orientation is NOT an occupation" makes no sense to me. Mentioning that Nell McCafferty is a lesbian is not treating her sexual orientation in a disrespectful way, nor treating it as a weird thing. Rather, it is encyclopedic, mentioned by the sources used for the article, and relevant in relation to the brief mention about her experience working exclusively with men. McCafferty is, as the source mentions, outspoken about her lesbian identity. There is no reason not to include that fact as a point of information in this article. --Boston (talk) 03:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nell McCafferty's sexuality is dealt with in her article. None of the other Celebrity Bainisteoirí have there (presumably straight ) sexuality mentioned in their brief bios. Nell McCafferty has been famous in Ireland since the early 70s and was well known as a feminist and journo for many years before she came out. If she first became famous for being a lesbian and was only famous for being one, then maybe it might be acceptable but since she's not, the narrow stereotyping and pigeon-holing are unacceptable. Snappy (talk) 07:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I firmly consider this neither stereotyping and pigeon-holing, but I am willing to give weight to you perceiving it this way. Know that for me, who had never heard of McCafferty, this does make her blurb quite less interesting. --Boston (talk) 11:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What!? She's interesting because she's a lesbian. Anyway, you've lost me there. Says something about you, not sure what though. Snappy (talk) 12:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Only IPA allowed for pronunciation guides? Please show me that policy.  As I'm sure you know, the majority of readers find IPA inscrutable.  The fact that we're able to find "bwin-ish-TYOH-ir" as a verifiable and referenced pronunciation is a boon to the the article.  What possible benefit is there to removing this? --Boston (talk) 03:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You can always learn IPA, its not that hard! The phonetic pronunciation is Hiberno-Irish centric, a person from England or the US or New Zealand would not pronounce "bwin-ish-TYOH-ir" the same way. Even I don't agree with it I'd day "Bon-ish-tore". There is also 3 dialects of the Irish language (Donegal, Galway & Kerry), each with there own pronunciation, so if there is no agreement in the Irish language, what's the point of one phonetic pronunciation for English? "English pronunciation in Wikipedia should be transcribed in such a way that its interpretation does not depend on the reader's accent. For this end, broad transcriptions of the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) should be used" - See Manual of Style (pronunciation) Snappy (talk) 07:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a matter of ME learning IPA, I didn't say I don't know it. If we can give the majority of readers an approximation of how "Bainisteoir" is pronounced, we should.  Irish phonology is so different that most English speakers in the world might look at the word and imagine something like "bane-is-TEE-or".  The fact that we can follow "bwin-ish-TYOH-ir" with a reference number is great; just like a fact that says "the woowoo tree grows to be 3000 meters tall" or whatever, it's not an editor saying it, it's the verifiable source that has said it. --Boston (talk) 11:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you read Manual of Style (pronunciation)? Because if you had, you would know that makey up pronunciation guides are against wikipedia policy. And as I said before there are 3 different pronunciations in the Irish language. I came across foreign words all the time on wikipedia without a pronunciation but I make a stab at it and get by, better that then fake and incorrect hiberno-english centric one. Snappy (talk) 12:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * A cited pronunciation is considerably different than an editor's own ad hoc creation. I know about the dialects of Irish. This pronunciation is simply useful; let's not over think it.  If you want to amend it to say (pronounced "bwin-ish-TYOH-ir" according to one approximation) that sound be fine.  And by all means, include IPA as well. --Boston (talk) 12:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, lets not litter wikipedia with this crap. Snappy (talk) 12:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also please note: "For English words, transcriptions based on English spelling ("pronunciation respellings") such as /proh-NUN-see-AY-shən/ may be used, but only in addition to the IPA...Ad-hoc descriptions such as "rhymes with both" or "rhymes with paid" may be useful for describing English sounds" - --Boston (talk) 12:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, so you have actually ready it now, at last! What you are putting is not "pronunciation respelling", and that is only to be used in addition to IPA, not on its own. Snappy (talk) 12:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't spoken to you with even a bit of disrespect. You, on the other hand, have revealed your true colors. If this, rather that amiable discussion, is the tone you prefer, let's end this discussion with me reminding you about the WP:3RR.  --Boston (talk) 12:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My true colours, oh purlease, darling! I don't suffer fools gladly, and if you are the easily offended type then that's too bad, Daphne! I'm only editing here for four years what's this 3RR you speak of?! (btw, that was sarcasm). Anyone, before I remove "bwin-ish-TYOH-ir" again, I'd like to point out that this in violation of wikipedia policy. Please explain as per Manual of Style (pronunciation), why you persist in adding such blatant violations of wikipedia policy to this article? Also, the really sad part about this is, that in certain dialects of Irish (of which you are totally ignorant), Bainisteoir is almost phonetic in English. That makes us and this silly edit war, just about the 2 most saddest people on the planet! Go figure! Snappy (talk) 15:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts
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Irish Elections
Dear Snappy, i note you, like me, are interested in Irish politics. I would like to put together all the elections for the Dail together in one thing by party. I have done work up tpot he 1st inter governmental party in ym sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Phil_Nolte/Sandbox and would appreciate if you would be willing to help me with it or your thoughts on it -- Phil Nolte (talk) 13:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, that looks like a good idea. I'll help out with the table. Snappy (talk) 02:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template colour schemes
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 * Oops, I don't know how that happened! It is of course a comment on a users talk page. Speedy delete now! Snappy (talk) 02:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Photoreq
Talk:Abuse by priests in Roman Catholic orders - (that would be a definite no!) - indeed, well not while actually abusing I suppose. Lol. ww2censor (talk) 15:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope it was a copy and paste error, otherwise.... ! Snappy (talk) 10:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

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Template colour schemes
Hi Snappy. You raise a number of points, particularly about my "garish colour schemes", some of which are agreeable, some of which are not. The CB colour scheme is unsuitable so I will not dispute that. But what exactly is wrong with the others? As you say, "one persons tasteful is another persons tasteless", but there appears to have been no problem with the colour schemes before now; they are not political and I cannot see how they are controversial. I generally choose colour schemes which I think work and cannot see how they are offensive. I must all consider users with poor sight which I do indeed bear in mind; this is not particularly difficult for me as I do not possess the strongest of eyesights myself and thus would suspect this is to my own advantage when it comes to choosing colour schemes. I am somewhat offended at your assumption that users with poor sight may be bracketed as "disabled and the elderly", I had not thought myself to belong in either category before now. I can't think why you needed to include "disabled and the elderly" in brackets like that, I am quite aware of what a user with poor sight might appear like in person and, knowing many young people with varying degrees of poor sight, am almost certain they would not all regard themselves as such. Perhaps it would be better to hear from an elderly or disabled citizen on this issue before making assumptions that a) they all have poor eyesight b) their experience of Wikipedia is being destroyed by garish colour schemes concocted by me. I am fairly sure some would be quite upset at this questioning of their capabilities, I for one do not intend to treat elderly or disabled individuals as incapable human beings.

You seem to be particularly worried about The Panel? I would think that even the most severely crippled individual would be able to tell that the collapsible template – positioned on top of another collapsible template as is the case in the programme's article – which when uncollapsed reveals a series of links floating in mid-air is in fact not an incorrectly formatted article? I am quite confident that readers of Wikipedia are a lot more intelligent than you seem to be giving them credit for.

You classify your editing style as that of a WikiFairy – as indeed do I. A WikiFairy is defined as ''a wiki editor who beautifies Wikipedia by organizing messy articles, improving style, or adding color and graphics. Some WikiFairies create new articles or affect the substantive content of the articles they edit; others enjoy beautifying articles by clearing up confusing footnotes or references, standardizing format, or by organizing images for balance. Their goals are harmony and visual pleasure for articles.'' I can't quite believe then that we are engaged in a conflict over colour schemes which you appear to be removing because you little more than dislike them?


 * "I am quite confident that readers of Wikipedia are a lot more intelligent than you seem to be giving them credit for." Please don't put words in my mouth. I respect Wikipedia readers as much as you do. I didn't mean to offend anyone with poor eyesight by lumping them in with elderly and/or disabled. Sorry for any offence caused.
 * Some of your colour schemes make if hard for me to read, and my eyesight is ok. One point you haven't addressed is, what is wrong with the standard / default colour scheme that you feel the need to create other colour schemes on your own? The standard colour scheme is there for a very good reason. So you should have an equally compelling reason to change to a different colour scheme. I've nothing against colour, indeed some time ago I changed one of the Papal templates to a yellow header because the colour is used on the papal flag and because it matched the other papal templates and looked nice when they were all stacked together.


 * You have created many colour schemes but they seem curiously random, just whatever you liked on the day. I see no common threads or themes, or planning. Perhaps we could work together to come up with a common colour scheme for all Irish TV program templates. This would provide a visual linking between them, rather than the randomness at present.

Now your other points. None of the programmes on the Channel 6 template are broadcast on 3e. Many of the leftovers were axed at the takeover so it is misleading and incorrect to associate them with 3e. I'm and Adult, Get me outta here! probably does deserve an article, would you care to contribute? I am not to be prompted on what to create; there are hundreds of neglected programmes and I cannot possibly create them all. I generally only add more programmes to the template when they are created, some are not even on it. I am at present concentrating on a heavy backlog of recently finished programmes which it appears will be forgotten unless a surprise user pops up to assist. So it is unlikely I will get to your request soon. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  21:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll get around to it soon, I've my own backlog of stuff to do as well. Snappy (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The colour schemes are not random. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  02:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They seem pretty random to me. Can you explain? Also, I'm sure you are aware of WP:OWN. Snappy (talk) 02:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm quite aware of it thank you very much. I created them but do not own them. They are all in the public domain. But since I'm the largely the only contributor to them and there is nothing overwhelmingly controversial (apart from the destruction caused to the eyesights of the elderly and disabled) I do not see your point. It comes across as a tad overly fussy. I think you'll find that many are based on colour patterns used by the individual shows. You might, for instance, find some of the colours in the logos. They may not be exact but I was unaware that they had to be perfect or that there was any rush to ensure that they were immediately so until you recently deemed many of them "garish". -- can  dle &bull; wicke  16:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've obviously touched a nerve here, you may be aware of WP:OWN but you certainly don't like it when another editor touches them. Yes, some of them were garish (no quotes needed), its some constructive feedback for you. Looking at other TV program templates (Fair city, Emmerdale, Eastenders, Holby, Coronation Street, Doctor Who, Star Trek, Neighbours), I see standard colour schemes all round. Yes, there are a few coloured ones. Which brings to a point I made earlier, what is wrong with the standard scheme that makes want to come up with alternative ones? I refer to WP:NAV, "Navigation templates are not arbitrarily decorative, There should be justification for a template to deviate from standard colors and styles". You claim there is some link between your colour schemes and the shows colour patterns. I fail to see much of a connection. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Snappy (talk) 00:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How strange, I was just about to use that line... I don't know what nerve (or which part of me) you've touched, I see nothing obvious in the above which indicates that this is so. In fairness, you have listed mainly soap operas, an area I barely have neither the toleration nor the motivation to go into. I know navigation templates are not "arbitrarily decorative", and I have given a justification which is simply not to your taste. You seem unable to recognise basic colours when placed side by side comparatively and it is not my place to tutor you on this matter. If you persistently edit to your own tastes, styles or that which is agreeable to you, I see your NPOV as being potentially questionable. I personally do not see what is broke to fix but you have somehow managed to do just that. Perhaps that is to be congratulated, perhaps it is to be criticised... but evidently my choice of title for this section was also broke for you have taken the liberty to fix that as well... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  18:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Firstly, its my talk page and I'll edit how I like, and that includes section headings. You accuse me of editing to my own tastes and styles and this being POV. Lol, I don't think so! Hello Pot, have met Kettle?! What I've actually done is simply used the standard wikipedia template colour schemes which are provided by default and are very widely used. You are the one that is editing with your own random colour schemes because you think they are pretty. I earlier offered to work with you to come up with a common colour scheme(s) for Irish shows, I see that offer has been roundly and rudely thrown back in my face, oh well! Apparently, I can't recognise basic colours when placed sided by side comparatively, well would that the the vomit shade of green on one of the templates or would that be the beautiful and amazing Celebrity Bainisteoir template which used the colour red for all links. So what if wikipedia uses red coloured links for non existent articles, you go ahead and use that colour for all links in your template because its apparently not random and somehow fits with the shows colours and because you have a degree in colourology, that'll be fantastic looking! Once again, you avoided answering a simple question that I asked you. What is wrong with the standard template colour schemes, that you feel to need to inflict your (obviously very tasteful, totally not random) colour schemes on wikipedia? Snappy (talk) 08:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I have not at any point thrown anything "roundly and rudely" back in your face. I have done my utmost to respond in a CIVIL manner to a user I'm finding to be of the most disagreeable variety. I can see I'm not the first to have encountered your wrath but I had not expected this conversation to descend to the level which it seems to have to have now fallen to. I do not think the templates in question are "pretty", I would not be so arrogant as to suggest I have developed a mastery of colour. Which "vomit shade of green" are we talking about precisely? Again I was not under the impression that Wikipedia had to be completed before noon – otherwise I would have ensured that each of my edits were suitable for the completed product, as opposed to any form of experimentation to gain a wider knowledge into what might be most appropriate. You are the only person so far who thinks of them as "random" or "garish" "vomit" – with no consensus I cannot help but sense POV creeping in here somewhere. I am extremely sorry that your tastes have been offended by this most despicable habit I have of vomiting across Wikipedia. I can only hope you will be patient with me and offer your most earnest support as I do my utmost to overcome this burdensome addiction. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  19:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I find you incivil too. Your comments here are snide, sarcastic, arrogant and condescending. I offered to help with a new colour scheme and reach consensus, that was not taken up. I've repeatedly being told my edits are POV when this is in fact incorrect. My edits restored the standard wikipedia colour templates. You added arbitrarily decorative colour schemes in breach of WP:NAV but I'm the one whose edits are wrong. I've been told I don't "recognise basic colours when placed side by side comparatively", but you of course know all about colour schemes, this apparently being a prime example. Again, you've repeatedly refused to answer the question about changing the standard (and widely used) template colour schemes.


 * I am finding it wearying to log in to wikipedia every day to see the orange banner, which means I have another sarky message from Candlewicke. If you have anything further to say, please reply on your own talk page and not here. Thank you. Snappy (talk) 00:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

And what exactly is the purpose of having a talk page if one does not exchange comments? I always thought dialogue was better than edit-warring. I am very sorry that I'm the only person who appears to be using this page and that it appears to be causing you great inconvenience to see the "orange banner". I have also apologised for the "vomit" and all my other foul deeds and past misdemeanours but you have as much as told me to go away and type to myself on my own talk page? What illogical nonsense is this with which you are trying to insult my intelligence? If I leave something on my own page when I want to have a conversation with someone who do you propose will reply? That example of my bad colour editing you give is the only one you seem able to offer. I've seen that, yes, you've as much as "roundly and rudely" (and repeatedly) pointed that out to me yourself and I'm sorry it is so offensive to your tastes that you cannot yet forget it. I am also sorry that you mistake my expansive use of vocabulary (an act which I thought would clarify and therefore dispel the notion of arrogance in my words) as sarcasm. I have never set out to say you edits are incorrect. I was merely offering an alternative opinion through the use of dialogue on a talk page (which I was under the seemingly false illusion was to be used for such purposes) and I am sorry that this has caused you such extensive long-term pain. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  17:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I asked you politely yesterday to stop leaving messages on my talk page. I asked to reply on your own talk page where we could then continue the discussion there, and not here. It was a simple (and polite) request. Yet, true to form, you have not only ignored my request, but you have left yet another rude and sarcastic reply. The reply is again littered with abuse, invective and more mock apologies. Btw, you don't have an expansive vocabulary. Maybe you think your replies are witty, unfortunately I think not. Yet again, you haven't answered by question as to why change the standard (and widely used) template colour schemes to arbitrary coloured ones by you. I suppose it's easier to hurl abuse at me than answer the question. So, once again, I ask you to please, please not to reply here on my talk page. If you want to continue this discussion (though it has become very pointless now), then leave a message on your own talk page, and I will reply there if necessary. Thank you. Snappy (talk) 06:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Categories
Hi you are very close to breaking 3RR. More than one editor has reverted your changes. Please cease reverting and discuss your change. If you continue to edit war I will be forced to report you for breaking 3RR.User:MusicInTheHouse 10:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I haven't broken 3RR, nowhere near it. I am not edit warring, I am placing the articles in the correct categories. The Category:Economy of Ireland description states: This category relates to the economy of the island of Ireland as a whole, including the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.. The Category:Economy of the Republic of Ireland description states: This category relates to the economy of the Republic of Ireland only. Example 1) Recruitment in the Republic of Ireland, as the title suggests in it about recruitment in the Republic of Ireland only and so belongs in the Economy of the Republic of Ireland category. Example 2) Financial Regulator, the intro states - ...is the single regulator of all financial institutions in the Republic of Ireland... It has no authority in Northern Ireland, it relates to the Republic of Ireland only therefore it belongs Economy of the Republic of Ireland category. Also the Financial Regulator is a "constituent part" of the Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland which is in the Economy of the Republic of Ireland category. I think this is quite clear. Please explain why you disagree. Snappy (talk) 10:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not against the concept of your changes. I am rather neutral on the topic and I reverted initially as I wanted to cease an edit war. It is an edit war no matter what you say as there is no discussion. I don't know why User:Sarah777, reverted you, but whatever the reason it should be respected. I wished to bring it back to the stable edit because, as you know yourself with WP:IECOLL and Arbcom requesting that everything remain stable regarding the use of Ireland and Republic of Ireland and that there are issues there waiting to be resolved. I suggest avoid changing things that are currently being mulled over on without discussion. I'd suggest if you do wish to change it for your reason, which is just as valid as anyone else's then you talk to Sarah777 about your change as she is the one who reverted it. ''' M I T H  15:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

wikistalking
Why are you following me round, and undoing my edits? Fasach Nua (talk) 11:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not wikistalking you. Snappy (talk) 13:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Tánaiste & Taoiseach
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.


 * Fasach Nua, that warning notice coming from you is a bit rich .Garda40 (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly! Fasach Nua, have you met Kettle? ;-) Anyway, all the images on those pages are either copy free or fair use, and they are there to illustrate the head (and deputy) of the government of a nation. I don't see a problem with that. Many of the subjects are deceased, so obtaining copy free images is difficult. Rather than waiting for decades for copyright on the images to expire, what's the problem in having some fair use images, all of which comply with the fair use guidelines. Snappy (talk) 00:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Snappy! I just wanted to thank you for the improvements you've made to List of national capitals by population, such as diambiguating the links etc. I can't believe I didn't think of checking the links to see if they were okay myself! Cheers, Jprulestheworld01 (talk) 15:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. Snappy (talk) 00:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't do SVG images
Snappy, hi! Nice to hear from you again. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 01:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message on mi talk page here
 * I'm not sure I can help: one of my sore points in this burg is I can't create/change SVG images. PNGs yes, SVGs no - I don't have the tech.
 * I would advise you to ask Barryob, but as you point out, he seems to be inactive at the moment.
 * However, I may have a solution. If you leave a request at Graphic Lab/Image workshop they may be able to do it for you. If you explain it clearly, point out that we have GFDL images for all the changes, and that they're needed for an upcoming election, they may expedite it. I used their service last year and was pleasantly surprised, but be advised you may have to wait a few days/weeks.
 * If you get no joy, get back to me and I'll run off PNG images for the Ireland Euroconstituencies, but be advised they won't be as clean as the SVGs and won't have a transparent layer.
 * I note in your correspondence above that you have had an ...interesting interaction with another editor who maintains, for reasons known only unto God, that a template should have a different color scheme. You have my sincerest sympathies.


 * Thanks for your reply. I will leave a request at the Image workshop, as you suggest. Btw, since I don't know much about graphic images, what is the difference between svg and png? and why is svg preferred over png? Snappy (talk) 05:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The following is an oversimplification, but here we go...
 * PNG
 * Stands for Portable Network Graphics
 * It is a Raster graphics format.
 * The value of each dot on the image is stored (so to define a red square, the file goes "Dot (1,1) is red, Dot (1,2) is red,...Dot (256,256) is red").
 * The tools to edit and display them (e.g. MS Paint) come prepackaged with virtually all PCs.
 * For a line diagram (e.g. an electoral map), the files are bigger and less clean that the equivalent SVG.
 * SVG
 * Stands for Scalable Vector Graphics
 * It is a Vector graphics format.
 * Only the value of specific dots is stored (so to define a red square, the file goes "Dot (1,1) is red, Dot (256,1) is red, Dot (1,256) is red, Dot (256,256) is red, they are connected by red lines and the fill is red").
 * The tools to edit and display them (e.g. Inkscape) do not come prepackaged and must be specifically downloaded.
 * For a complex photographic image (e.g. a picture of a face), the files are bigger and less clean that the equivalent PNG.
 * The controversy
 * SVGs are preferred by experts on Wiki and Commons because they are leaner and scalable. I have no objection to this.
 * However, some of those experts go further and delete PNG images once a SVG equivalent is created.
 * I have strong objections to this because people who do not have unrestricted access to their own PC cannot edit SVG files.
 * There was a movement on Commons to delete PNG files en masse: it was stopped but I fear it will resurge.
 * I have spectacular ethical objections to that movement because (to take an extreme example) a kid in the Sudan who gets occasional access to a powered PC and who uploads a PNG of the multiple wars will one day find that her map has been replaced by a SVG map by a fat graphic designer in Seattle who thinks that "...but everybody can can see SVGs and they're much nicer, mmmm'kay...", and she won't be able to update her own map.
 * Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 11:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your explanation. Snappy (talk) 01:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

SVG requests for EU parliament elections completed
--Goldsztajn (talk) 04:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Snappy (talk) 06:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to help! If you're happy with the images and no more changes are needed can you add the following at the top of your request: this will produce the following tag:  and allows a bot to archive the request. Regards --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Added a labeled map per your request. --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Your reversiom of Brian Cowen
From Brian Cowen history you refer to "rm duplication - see talk" on 23:20, 11 May 2009

I can't find anything contributed by you about this "duplication" on article's talk page. Please explain the basis for your edit. Are you aware of the need to be neutral in editing in accord with NPOV.

Can you explain the basis for your edit, other than a "see talk" reference.

"23:20, 11 May 2009 Snappy (talk | contribs) (44,853 bytes) (Reverted to revision 288381506 by Snappy; rm duplication - see talk. (TW)) (undo)''

Zubenzenubi (talk) 03:19, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Octanis simply editing under a different name won't stop me recognising you .Garda40 (talk) 06:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Zubenzenubi, you are a known sockpuppet, I don't owe you any explaination, since you are probably Octanis anyway. Snappy (talk) 07:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Garda40, I already suspected Zubenzenubi (who is a known sockpuppeteer) was probably Octanis. I will be lodging a checkuser request shortly on both of them. Snappy (talk) 07:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Abuse of checkuser policy
Users Garda40 & Snappy make sweeping allegations and accusations. Where has Zubenzenubi contributed inaccurate edits or unsubstantiated edits?. Wikipedia is not the preserve of a few, but open to all with accurate information to relay even if it collides with the viewpoint of others.

The checkuser policy states ; ''The tool should not be used for political control; to apply pressure on editors; or as a threat against another editor in a content dispute. ''

Please justify your assertions in the above context. Zubenzenubi (talk) 02:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Very nice of you to provide even more evidence .Thanks Garda40 (talk) 06:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * When you were looking at the Checkuser policy, did you read this: Grounds for checking - The tool is to be used to fight vandalism, to check for sockpuppet activity, to limit disruption or potential disruption of any Wikimedia project, and to investigate legitimate concerns of bad faith editing. (my bolding)


 * Zubenzenubi's edits total less than 100 in a 2 year period. The 1st edit Zubenzenubi makes to Brian Cowen is to revert the very same edit that Octanis was pushing. That is certainly suspicious. Since Zubenzenubi is a known sockpuppett (using IP addresses), I am concerned that this may be an abuse of wikipedia policy of editing under different usernames. To this end, I will be lodging a check user request in order to allay my concerns. I also fail to see how I am abusing checkuser policy before I even make a request. Unless of course you are trying to bully me into not making the request, because perhaps you have something to hide? If you are innocent then checkuser will prove it. Snappy (talk) 09:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry
What is the argument with sockpuppetry. Where is the evidence of disruption to the Cowen article in my edits? Disagreement of what is relevant between two editors is not disruptive. Inclusion of referenced fact is always justified even if it does not suit the viewpoint of another editor. Where are the inaccurate edits?, where are there disruptive edits?. I could equally assert, hopefully erroneously, that Snappy and Garda40 are duplicates based on your edits and timing of Garda40's response. I intend to revert my edits, which are factual to the Cowen article. Zubenzenubi (talk) 23:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * And even more evidence .Garda40 (talk) 03:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well then, lodge a checkuser request for me and Garda40. I've nothing to hide. Checkuser will prove that me and Garda40 are indeed 2 separate people. Since editors should only have 1 account, and may only have alternate accounts in very limited circumstances, if you Zubenzenubi / Octanis are indeed as I and Garda40 suspect, the same person, then checkuser will prove this. If you are not, then checkuser will prove your innocence. The similarities in editing patterns are striking, and for example, Zubenzenubi / Octanis both used the not so common phrase "Disingenuous Editing". Also, the fact the you are selectively quoting wikipedia policy, in a blatant attempt to bully me into not lodging a checkuser request, raises my suspicions even further. Snappy (talk) 06:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)