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Cumann na Poblachta
A chara, An cainteoir dúchasach thú? Cheartaigh tú 'cumann' ó "organisation" go "society" nuair a bhíonn an dá aistriúchán sásta. De ŕéir teanglan.ie, chím 'political organisation' le 'cumann'. Ós rud é gur duine gnìomhach agus fear faire thú, ba leisce liom do chuid saothair a cheartú gan phlé - ach níl 'society' níos achomaire ná 'organisation' ins an chás seo. Grma Billsmith60 (talk) 11:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

A chara, 'association' a bhí mé a mhaíomh: níl a fhios agam caidé mar a tháinig 'organisation' chugam ina ionad aréir - rud a scríobh mé! Grma arís eile Billsmith60 (talk) 11:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)


 * A chara,
 * Cumann na nGaedheal - "Society of the Gaels"
 * Cumann Poblachta na hÉireann - "Republican Society of Ireland"
 * Cumann na mBan - "The Women's Council"
 * Cumann na Saoirse - "The League for Freedom"
 * Cumann Gaelach - "Irish Language Society"
 * Cumann Lúthchleas Gael - "Gaelic Athletic Association"
 * Cumann - "Association" - Also used by some political parties to refer to their local branches.


 * As you can see, Cummann is variously translated as Society/Association/Council/League. There is no standard but Society is the most common. Mise le meas, Spleodrach (talk) 12:25, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for 2021 Dublin Bay South by-election
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Standard address?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't standard address apply only to current sovereign states? Many Irish cricketers were born in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (which I shorten to 'Ireland' as it looks ugly in an infobox), a historic state. So that is normally linked, as is commonplace in say military history articles where we link historic states but don't link to current states. StickyWicket (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Please MOS:IMOS BIOPLACE - "For people anywhere else in Ireland at any time, "Ireland" should be used". Spleodrach (talk) 21:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Ernie O'Malley
Hello. I noticed that most refs are not in the 'cite web' format, so I made them all consistent. I haven't the time to use the very cumbersome 'cite web' format, unless you can point me to a quick way to do so? Thanks, Billsmith60 (talk) 23:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Use cite templates is the correct way for formatting refs with web links. There are no short cuts, it takes time. Wikipedia has no dedlines! Spleodrach (talk) 11:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Dublin University
Good work updating the University of Dublin links. It’s something I was intending to do either today or tomorrow, but deliberately waited a few days to make sure the page move to the primary page stuck. For that reason, I had updated only the piped links to check for double redirects at the time I was moving the page. –Iveagh Gardens (talk) 15:13, 12 February 2022 (UTC) Iveagh Gardens (talk) 15:13, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Seán Barrett (politician), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Furthermore, I noticed that your edit summary did not appear to describe the change you made. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. —  Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124; 14:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

April 2022
Hi Spleodrach! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Workers' Party of Ireland several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree&#32;at Talk:Workers' Party of Ireland, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 23:02, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

May 2022
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Michael O'Kennedy. Thank you. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You still didn't add more citations, just tag and go. Lazy, expecting other to work for you. Yet you still had time to re-add the tag, and leave a message here, numpty! Spleodrach (talk) 11:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Liam Mellows
Perhaps you didn't notice the *six edits I did to the above article very recently? So far from 'drive-by' tagging, I've been busy with that article. Have a nice day Billsmith60 (talk) 10:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Erin McGreehan edit.
I didn't appreciate your extremely rude comment about my recent edit to the Wikipedia article about Senator Erin McGreehan. I thought we are meant to have some decorum as Wikipedia editors. You obviously have absolutely no decorum, using language like that. Laggan Boy (talk) 11:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * oh, you poor snowflake. Spleodrach (talk) 14:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

May 2022
Just wondering why you reverted my edit of Local government in the Republic of Ireland? The edit was in accordance with WP:IMOS and FIRST only says it should be the page title, not must, and may appear in a slightly different form. Cashew.wheel (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC):
 * It's better that the intro matches the article title. If you feel that strongly, then please start a discussion on the article's talk page. Spleodrach (talk) 21:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

European Parliaments pre-Brexit and Irish republican legitimist Dáils
The first Dáil's membership was drawn from the UK Parliament elected in 1918, which had constituencies representing the entire Island of Ireland and places outside it (in this case, Great Britain). The European Parliament pre-Brexit also had constituencies representing the entire Island of Ireland and places outside it (in this case, Great Britain + other EU member states at the time). So if a pre-Irish Independence UK Parliament was "good enough for a Dáil", then the European Parliament pre-Brexit would theoretically be "good enough for a Dáil" from a legitimist POV as well. Glide08 (talk) 20:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is completely original research by you, totally unbacked by any reliable references. Stop adding it to wikipedia, Spleodrach (talk) 16:27, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Revert: Fine Gael
Hi, I see you've reverted my edit to the Fine Gael infobox twice based on "FG is not organised in NI only ROI". That is correct, Fine Gael are not active in Northern Ireland.

However the article doesn't mention Northern Ireland nor the island of Ireland in the same context (of the opening paragraph or infobox), therefore the MOS from WP:IRE-IRL applies here.
 * "Use 'Ireland' for the state except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context." Cashew.wheel (talk) 08:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:IRE-IRL does not apply here. By using Ireland in the infobox, you are causing it to point to the incorrect articles, i.e. Politics of Ireland, rather than Politics of the Republic of Ireland. WP:IRE-IRL is for text in the main article not in infoboxes, where different articles are pointed to depending on the input of the field. Spleodrach (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Infobox political party includes the "country_dab1" property for that specific purpose. Cashew.wheel (talk) 09:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have updated the article with dabs. Spleodrach (talk) 16:39, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

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Kevin Barry
Just wanted to clarify, I was planning on removing the infobox myself, but was waiting to see if there was an "official" conclusion of the conversation. (Still new here, not 100% sure of the process) Cashew.wheel (talk) 03:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As user:BrownHairedGirl said in the discussion. There would have to be a RFC discussion, and if that RFC agreed, then the infobox criminal could be added to Irish Revolutionaries. Unless that happens, the module can be removed, as there is no consensus for adding it. Spleodrach (talk) 09:10, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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Regarding the use of images on Wikipedia
Hi Spleodrach, If It's alright, I'll like to address an issue we've gone back and forth on now several times, the topic of images in articles:

I understand that Wikipedia is not supposed to be a gallery, but by the same token, it's not supposed to be a bare-bones, text-only website either. For me personally, Images are very important because I'm (partially) a visual learner. Images help cement new information into my mind, which is important, because I actually suffer from a condition called Dyspraxia, which amongst other issues, can make it difficult for me to concentrate on a particular item. Images in articles quite genuinely make it easier for me to remember/learn the information contained in them.

But even if it wasn't the case that I had dyspraxia, I believe the way I add images to be in-line with how Wikipedia is supposed to be. Let's examine a high profile, heavily edited article such as Karl Marx for example; Going through the many images contained inside it, we can see that besides images directly of Marx himself there are images of Engels, his family, images of G.W.F. Hegel and Ludwig Feuerbach who influenced his thinking and an image of the working class used to illustrate Marx's views about the working class. If we look at the high-profile article Martin Luther King Jr., we can find a stand alone image of frequent collaborator Bayard Rustin. Featured article Lady Gaga has two stand-alone images of Madonna and David Bowie because they were strong influences on her. Similarly, Good article Miley Cyrus displays standalone images of Elvis Presley and Britney Spears in the influences section as well as an image of Madonna elsewhere in the article.

Can we come to understanding where you're not as strict on images as you currently are? CeltBrowne (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,, thank you for sharing your personal info, and for making a good point about images in general. I see your point about articles not being text only. I won't revert your image edits in future, assuming you don't add a gallery of them. Spleodrach (talk) 19:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers! CeltBrowne (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Liam twomey
Hi, is it possible to reverse your edits you made to martial status on this page? Liam is no longer married. Thank you in advance. Anonedit1961 (talk) 21:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable reference for that? Is you are a relation/friend/work colleague of "Liam", then its a Conflict of Interest to edit his page? Spleodrach (talk) 08:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Hi, I thought that the Creative Commons Attribution Non Commercial 4.0 International mentioned on the dib page was Wikipedia compatible. I wouldn't have copied the text otherwise. Thanks for letting me know. Can you tell me what CC licenses are compatible with Wikipedia? Spleodrach (talk) 10:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * A "Non Commercial" license does not allow commercial use, and our license does. So that's not a compatible license. Sorry, — Diannaa (talk) 20:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

February 2023
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Richard Burke (Irish politician). Thank you. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:59, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Show some respect! Spleodrach (talk) 15:16, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Harp or not? Make up your mind!
On the talk page for the Taioseach page, I thought it was agreed that a harp logo to represent the Irish government would be used. I create one, and it gets removed? I can't seem to win, are we to use a harp logo or not?

Link BlockBuster2K43 (talk) 21:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No, its just more clutter. Please read MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Specifically, "The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." Spleodrach (talk) 11:13, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Robert J. McCann deletion
Could you please reverse your call to delete the Robert J. McCann article? The man was the president of UBS Americas, a contributor to numerous charities, and has a relationship with presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. It is in the public interest for facts about this man to be known. Tarcanes (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

ANI discussion involving you
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Category:Labour Panel senators etc
Hi Spleodrach

I see that you have been populating Category:Labour Panel senators and the other categories for senators elected by the 5 Panels.

I just thought i should tell you that since I created those categories yesterday, I have been been working my way through the Seanad members navboxes, building offline a set of lists of members of the Seanad by panel. When those lists are complete, I will use them as the the basis of AWB runs to populate the categories.

Those AWB runs will not add a duplicate category, so no harm will be done by having us both on the case. But an AWB run is much less work, so I just wanted to let you that for these 5 categories, your manual hard work may not be needed. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, you can do your AWB thing then. Spleodrach (talk) 14:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Dáil constituency (UK)
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Anna Mary Henrietta Henrietta Childers
In a spirit of genuine enquiry, why are the parents of biography subjects included in the infobox for office-holders only if they have their own article? Your editsummary here. I looked at Template:Infobox officeholder, which offers only: "mother may be used (optionally with father parameter) in place of parents parameter (displays "Parent(s)" as label).". Thanks.--AntientNestor (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi The documentation on Template:Infobox officeholder does not say anything about wikilinking or not for parents. Looking at some UK PMs: Tony Blair; his father Leo Blair has an article and is mentioned in the infobox, while his mother Hazel Blair does not have an article, and is only mentioned in text. Same goes for Margaret Thatcher, John Major, and Liz Truss. Winston Churchill and Boris Johnson have both parents in the infobox, as both parents have articles. Rishi Sunak has both parents-in-law mentioned in the infobox as they both have articles, but his parents are only mentioned in the article text. This would indicate that it is standard practice (at least for UK PMs) to include a parent in the infobox only if they have an article. Spleodrach (talk) 10:28, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt reply. --AntientNestor (talk) 10:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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Eileen Flynn
Just FYI, I think the comment was in response to the The Irish Sun, not on Twitter. Regardless, I don't feel a particular need to add it back. David Malone (talk)
 * Well, where ever it came from, Wikipedia doesn't do that kind of thing! Also, the Sun is not a reliable source. Spleodrach (talk) 09:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Fair. David Malone (talk) 11:50, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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Rollback
I find it necessary to express a bit of concern about this use of rollback. The edit being reverted appears to be made in good faith, not, which is the standard for default rollback use. The reversion of this edit seems to have been more of a candidate for the undo tool than rollback. EggRoll97 (talk) 05:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see your point. Spleodrach (talk) 12:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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Michael Hogan
A few years back you wrote a wiki page on michae.l hogan he’s my great great grandfather and i’m looking to find more information on him if you have any! thanks Kiz1er (talk) 14:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm afraid I don't have any more information than what is in the Michael Hogan (Irish politician) article. As he was an MP, you could try looking through his contributions in the House of Commons, from the Hansard link in the article. Spleodrach (talk) 19:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Taoiseach being a common noun
The word Taoiseach isn't considered a common noun in Irish. Therefore it is meant to be capitalised. I know this as I am a fluent Irish speaker, but I can also back this up as RTE capitalises Taoiseach, such as in the article concerning Varadkar's resignation. Dual The Eggist (talk) 13:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the English language wikipedia, and the article is in English. As taoiseach is used in English as a loan word, it follows the rules of the borrowing language, not the original language. Also, Wikipedia has its own guidelines, and does not follow usages on media like RTE or the Irish Times. I note that the BBC uses lower case, but in any case, WP does not follow other organisations rules, only its own, which are spelt out in MOS:JOBTITLE. Spleodrach (talk)

Dan P Brown
Hi, why why did you remove Daniel P Brown from this list? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_Brown&diff=1177902354&oldid=1138117143 ? As a professor at Harvard Medical School, author of numerous books and one of the important translators of meditation texts from Tibetan and Sanskrit (e.g. Bon, Mahamudra) into English https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/593594.Daniel_P_Brown, he should be relevant? Tine (talk) 19:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * He does not have an article. Spleodrach (talk) 23:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Isn't it practice in the english WP, to list relevant people even when there is no article about them yet? --Tine (talk) 06:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Not it is not. If he was notable, then he would have an article. IF you think he is notable, then why don't you create an article? Spleodrach (talk) 08:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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