User talk:Springeragh/Archive 20

quick thanks
Hi Spring, thanks for the welcome and for the rose! It's nice to be back, even if only partially. I'm sorry to hear that your father passed away, and you have my deepest condolences. You and your family are in my prayers. -- Kyok o  12:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Aw :)
Thanks! I'm going to convert from png to jpeg to make load time a lot faster, no worries :) I'm still working on the subpages, right now things are mostly redirects... Gotta love vacation, you get time to work on stuff like this! <3 -- Editor at Large  •  talk  00:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There, all jpegs now so it should load faster ^_^ -- Editor at Large  •  talk  03:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course! I assume you saw my address on my meta page, feel free to add me :) Love <3 -- Editor at Large  •  talk  05:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Not so much an empty page, but rather desolate...
You best get a plane to Cardiff, because you're getting a cameo on Doctor Who... starring Franz Liszt! :P Will (talk) 00:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And apparently, you're a pile of horseshite. [sic]Will (talk) 14:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL! I'd be offended about being called "horseshite" if it was a real word… &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  14:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Um, Spring? How do you always know when I'm logging on? Twice today I've had a message from you pop up on the screen within two minutes of me showing up....spooky... K. Lásztocska 01:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought it was Istvan :P…-running away- &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  01:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

What, you thought I was István? I'm still confused. K. Lásztocska 01:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I meant that Istvan made his "nyie" comment before I struck it out (my edit summary was my comment). &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  01:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Time to archive Tchaikovsky?
And cross the creaking rope bridge to FAC? (And, while we're at it, which one of us crosssing the bridge is Michael Caine and which is Sean Connery—that is, if you remember that film? :-) )  Jonyungk 07:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Let me look at other archived peer reviews and see about how long they were. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Maybe part of this peer review has been a "waking up to reality" for me, but I'm not happy that the only part of the article to which the "peers" paid any real attention was the gay section.  There was much more offered—and still is.  That was all ignored.  Everything boiled down to whether Tchaikovsky was gay enough to pass the political correctness test.  Where were the people to talk about the history, the culture, the music?  Where was Andy Wang, for instance?  As a comprehensive review (let's not mention "objective"), the peer session the Tchaikovsky article received was, to me, very lacking.


 * I'm still doing a little tightening and adjusting of copy, so I'll hold on archiving the page for another day or two. Any suggestions, please lt me know.  Jonyungk 15:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Spring
Are those &lt;pre&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt; tags supposed to be there? &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  17:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * What do you mean nowiki tags? I don't understand. Can you explane it to me? King   Lopez  Contribs 09:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I meant the ones in your monobook.css, but Riana already took care of it I think. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

BTW
take another look at the intro section of the Tchaikovsky article. It's still four paragraphs but the info you (and I) really didn't want to go is BA-A-A-ACK. Jonyungk 02:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks a lot :) Frankly, I was not expecting this, especially at a time I have been mainly inactive due to some off-wiki preoccupations. Thanks again, though. See you around soon.--soum talk 11:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Conquered
Hello Springeragh, the Cabal Conquering Cabal has officially taken all of your pages. Resistance is futile. Instead join us in conquering all the other cabals... CCC  Cheers, Lig  hts  12:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * WHAT THE HECK????? Um, OK…that was weird… &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  20:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Rawr.
GTpls? Will (talk) 21:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll try, but my connexion was shaky earlier to day and at the first drop I'll have to get off. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  21:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'm around again for the next hour. Here's hoping your connexion isn't crapped up :). Will (talk) 02:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I did it again
Started doing a final polish on Tchaikovsky. Innocent enough, right? Seemed like there were some continuity gaps in the early sections. Remember when you warned me not to cut out too much? So for all the words I cut out in polishing, I've been adding at least as many back from previous drafts to plug the gaps. The article flows better now when I read it, and at 42K it's still a manageable size. Let me know what you think, though. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks a lot! Jonyungk 00:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Pringeragh!
Thanks man, I'm making do with what I've got. The Bluetac works sporadically, but I think the message up top is really freaking people out. I've got like, two messages this week. Also, I'm listening to the A-Team theme ong. Goes like this: Do do - Do Dodo Do Doodo! Dododo Do Do Dodododo! Do do do, DO DO DO DO DOO! Do do do, DO DO DO DO DOOOO!

Cheer! Dfrg.msc 08:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

...
if you're ever in email contact with Antandrus much, just FYI I've been communicating w/ him about a certain issue you and I have both been involved in. La commedia may soon be finita. K. Lásztocska 04:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw that. Well, it's worth a try, isn't it? :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI I want to use wikimail as little as possible--it's always felt kind of dishonest and sneaky to me, plus after being known only as K. Lastochka for so long, revealing my real name can get surreal. :) I'll probably disable wikimail as soon as first steps have been taken (i.e. hopefully tomorrow.) K. Lásztocska 04:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand. :) It's why I didn't enable mine until about four months after I joined here. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

re: protection
Not immediately--I don't really like the idea of protected user talk pages. Perhaps soon though, if the situation persists after the protection of Liszt and Thalberg. K. Lásztocska 18:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Does that mean you're fine with Thalberg's semi-protection? (Remember that at WP:RFPP they can and may be declined.) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  18:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Absolutely--80.'s posting has got to the point where it is little more than disruption. K. Lásztocska 18:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. Are you fine with putting up the RFPP yourself since I should have been offline since a few minutes ago? If not, I'll do it when I come back. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  18:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually I shouldn't be online right now either. (Conservatory starts in less than a week, I gotta go practice!!!) :) Let's deal with the rest of this later. K. Lásztocska 19:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC) PS...and it appears the request to sprotect Liszt talk has been denied, and I can't say I entirely disagree with the reasoning provided. So we might be in for a long schlep through arbitration, RfCs and AN/I. Ugh! K. Lásztocska 19:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

BTW, the Irish guy we were talking about was some guy with just an IP address here. He was pestering us about a "Roma and Crime" section, so I finally said, "OK, OK, I'll finish (re)writing that section once and for all!" Now he seems happy. For now, anyway :) --Kuaichik 01:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Kind of like our anonymous scholar, only much easier to please. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  01:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but we're not always that lucky over at Talk:Romani people! This was a rare exception, and thank goodness!!! --Kuaichik 01:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the cookies. :) I'm OK, just a little fried and lacking in motivation. I'll be back to normal probably in a matter of days. K. Lásztocska 12:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Depoe Bay Coffee Co.
It is a non-notable company. There were no third party sources indicating notability, see WP:CORP and WP:N and WP:RS. If you think that such sources can be found, I'd restore it to a user subpage for you to improve it, but most local coffee houses, and coffee companies aren't notable. Carlossuarez46 00:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Did I blow NPOV?
Check out the latter half of the Tchaikovsky article. Found some great things to flesh it out but don't want to ring too many alarm bells. Jonyungk 00:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think you did, but that's my—you guessed it—point of view. I would ask a few other people such as Schissel, Antandrus, and maybe Moreschi and Acalamari (The later two I don't know if they are musically inclined but you could ask them anyway as they are well-known and well-respected editors.) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  02:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think I did, either, but that's ... you know. :-) I'd feel better about how this article will go over if someone would just read the damn thing, so maybe I'll take you up on your suggestion.  The whole thing flows better than ever but I'm (overly) paranoid about length.  Jonyungk 03:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * One thing I would do is what I'm doing now—check for spelling. As yuo mihgt alreedy now, speeling errorsc an riun teh sens of fornality. ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I've contacted Schissel and Antandrus.  Ahull luk anuither tahm a tthee artikl too kaik suur d spillin iz guud. ;-)  Jonyungk 15:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

THF
Well, technically he has voted. He voted to abstain and said he didn't care one way or the other so now everyone had to judge his article by its merits rather than what he wanted. Did you read that? I thought that was quite cool. Would that all articles subject did thus! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. That makes it hard to vote "[vote] per THF." ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You could make a point of abstaining. :) "I refuse to have an opinion, and I demand my right to not express it!" Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * …which I do. Which is also why I'm not voting, since why would I vote saying, "I am not voting"? :P &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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I noticed your question about whether I played runescape a few weeks ago, but you've recently returned from hiatus, so here I am. No, I haven't played runescape. Why? --Iriseyes 17:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I was only wondering. Way back when I played, there was a girl there that I knew, with a username similar to yours, and I had wondered if you were her. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  19:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. I'm eternally trying to track down my old friends from my days playing Final Fantasy XI but I don't think I'll ever find success in that endeavor. --Iriseyes 00:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Fortunately none of the friends I had there (by the time I gradually left I had about 105 but only about 20 were on regularly) were any closer than a "Hi how are you" when we got on and a "bye have a good one when we got off. Here, though, I'm glad I have e-mail addresses, chat handles, &c. :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well put. I've never tried my hand at Runescape, but maybe I will now. Is it fun? --Iriseyes 20:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It is, but it was getting too hard for me to keep up with all the updates which was probably the main reason I left. Apart from that it's probably my favourite game on the whole Internet. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  21:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ach then, perhaps it's not the game for me. I've considered returning to FFXI but when I read over some player blogs, the game has changed so much since I played that I'm not sure if I want to feel like a total noob on my old playing ground. =) --Iriseyes 00:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Crowbar...
Thanks. Now to get Theresa to block some Matthew-haters for me. Will (talk) 23:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Cello Concerto (Elgar)
Thanks for the userpage msg - I forgot to watch the work page so would've otherwise missed your reply. Unfortunately I'm not the biggest Elgar fan, so don't have any recordings to make a median figure from, and unlike Bruckner/Mahler, it probably won't be easy to find anyone who cares enough about total times to have made a list of them online. I'll see if I can ask some people who may have recording(s) of the work to check the movement times, and if I find any I'll post them on the talk page, and can begin a collection of results for people to see where we got the median figures from. Le the  22:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Your comment on WP:ANI about my the tone of my comment and Jeeny's
Can't speak for Jeeny, of course, and I'm not sure you've followed this whole saga for the last few weeks. In a nutshell, the situation now borders on the ridiculous (I won't go into the details). I try to stay as level-headed as I can in such a frustrating situation, and I decided I'd rather try to laugh it off than get upset myself. I apologize if my comments lacked the necessary decorum, and I just hope you'll understand this was an exceptional situation where I'd rather make a joke about it than start the cycle of recriminations: it's way less disruptive and it decreases the steam pressure all the same. Thank you for your concern, though. :) --Ramdrake 23:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I see now. :) It's just that I have AN/I on my watchlist and it's not every day I see "zOMG zOMG zOMG" in the edit summary. ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, I'm sorry. I had to laugh, as Ramdrake says it a very frustrating situation, and borders very much so on ridiculousness. So, I was using humor to lighten it up. We do, of course, work on Wikipedia for free so I think this was a special case. And those who have been involved in this "saga" may have understood my tone. - Jeeny Talk 00:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm done with Tchaikovsky
After the last round of critics from peer review, I first reverted the Tchaikovsky article to a state before I started working on it, then corrected some facts in the early years with info from my last version. Evidently, opinions are not facts, neutral viewpoint does not mean NPOV, and I am an essay writer, not a Wikipedian. That does not mean I didn't do a good job—in fact, I may have done a great job. But it does mean there's no way what I wrote would make featured article status or even be acceptable under Wikipedia's criteria. Sorry to bail on you like this, but I think it's for the article's best, as well as my own. Jonyungk 19:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Apropos of Old Arpeggio...
...I know you meant well by commenting out A.S.'s remark, but I think that's probably not a very good way to handle the matter. First of all, I usually don't like mass deletions of incivil comments in the midst of an ongoing debate anyway (it feels like hiding the evidence), second of all deleting his comments will probably just piss him off and make him even grumpier, and then it's a vicious cycle and we're back where we were last month. K. Lásztocska 04:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. You are probably right (although the respect I had for him at the beginning of last month and the end of the previous month or so is now irretrievably destroyed), although I have noticed that uncivil comments are usually deleted anyway, so I'm not sure quite what to do about it. Thusly I don't want to uncomment it but if you do I won't fuss. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Well yeah, that's just my personal take on that issue. Think like Machiavelli for a minute (and Scholar, if you're reading this, I am now speaking in hypothetical terms and not applying any of these adjectives to you personally): if someone makes a complete twit of himself, why should the evidence of such behavior be shoved out of sight? Why not have their obnoxious comments in full view of everyone and thus make them accountable for said comments?

As for the scholar, I figure we should just be as cool and businesslike as possible with him, and not respond in kind to his baiting. István mentioned a great quote once about fighting with internet trolls: "Never mud wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it." :-D K. Lásztocska 04:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Molto me piace. Now, off to rinse off those hands of mine, which look rather brown to me… ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Administrator
Hi Spring! I saw your post on AfD; good to see you back on deck again. (Sorry about your loss.) Have you had time to think about this matter? Regards, Pdfpdf 12:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I'm afraid that purple, (particularly the shade that your talk page comes up on my screen), will never be my favourite colour. Oh well. C'est la vie. Pdfpdf 12:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm so sorry that I forgot that! I forgot the original question though, so just wait about five minutes or so and I will look and see what it was. As for the purple—I can change the font colour to white for my page, but the default is always black and so for my talk page, I tried to tone it so that it was still purple (naturally a dark colour of course otherwise it would be pink) but didn't screw up in quite so many people's browsers. :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm so sorry that I forgot that!. No worries - it was never urgent - but thanks for the politeness, and thanks for the response. Unfortunately-for-me, it didn't change my impression that being an administrator means you have to put up with vandalism, unpleasantness, endless challenges and endless requests for explanations of "stuff" that should be obvious. As I concluded earlier, I can see the costs, but (due, no doubt, to my continuing ignorance) I can't see the benefits.

However, it doesn't really matter what I think, particularly as I have no interest in being an admin. What really matters is: you are the one who wants to be an admin, and you can see benefits (which presumably out-weigh the costs). So, Good Luck and Best Wishes in your "quest". Cheers, Pdfpdf 10:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. :) I don't vehemently disagree with people who want to be administrators—I myself see the (slightly) heightened stress that usually resultes from it, but I do think that the extra good I could do to the community probably outweighs it. And really the only difference between them and me is that they as a person do not want to be an administrator, and I as a person do. Not a big difference at all. :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Colour
Hi again. I think I missed something somewhere; I'm getting the impression that purple has a special significance for you? Pdfpdf 10:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I agree that pink would not be an improvement, and a white font might be - but I'll reserve my judgement on the latter. Pdfpdf 10:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it is my favourite colour. :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I have to admit that hearing this doesn't surprise me one little bit ;-) Pdfpdf 08:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)