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2012-13 EPL
hello Spudgfsh I want to make it better table Premier Leagie season 2012 2013 188.254.230.210 (talk) 17:50, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I would suggest you use the sandbox facility to create the table as a whole and then when it is correct make the updateSpudgfsh (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Okey Spudgfsh 188.254.230.210 (talk) 17:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

UserJggjghjg765675 Hello Spudgfsh blackburn rouvas relegated from premier league to championship 2012 2013 Jggjghjg765675 (talk) 17:33, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

UserJggjghjg765675 Hello Spidgfsh well Wigan Athletic as they beat blackburn rouvas and Chelsea beat Blackburn fall Wigan Athletic will beat Blackburn Rovers Jggjghjg765675 (talk) 17:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

UserJggjghjg765675 Hi Spudgfsh but if you do not lose points Bolton i QPR Jggjghjg765675 (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm curious...
What did this do? --Dweller (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * background colours--Spudgfsh (talk) 15:20, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * OIC. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Why did you revert my contribution to Premier League 2013/14?
I just thought seeing as it was gonna be put there anyway why is it not allowed now?

"Spent 30 min of my life doing something just for someone to delete it in 5 seconds :/"

What is the point of having all of the sections for the statistics for next season when they will provide no useful information for another two months. If you must place them in then you will have to comment them out until later on.Spudgfsh (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Warning
Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia. I do not understand why you still think that my edits are not constructive after my explanation in the Talk page of Carl Jenkinson. I have standardized the stats table according to the template. It is not encouraged to cite too much when only one reference can do the job, so why do you think we have to cite every season's stats? All that I am trying to do is just making the table more readable for the readers and that takes effort and time. Why do you think that deserve a "warning"? --Miunouta (talk) 21:45, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
WP:PROD is for deletions that can reasonably be expected to be noncontroversial. "PROD must only be used if no opposition is to be expected." Your recent rash of prods don't fit. There is no sign of a consensus at the existing AfD that all attendance charts should be deleted. In fact most editors seem to have expressed the opinion that single-sports attendance charts can be encyclopedic. Please take this as my standing objection to your use of PROD for any further deletions you may seek in this area, and use AfD instead. Thank you. --Arxiloxos (talk) 21:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

PROD removal
Interesting to see your removal of this PROD - what do you mean "To delete this requires AfD"? And what do you mean "To delete this requires [...] informing Wikipedia:WikiProject Football"? FYI, it has been listed at WikiProject Football/Nominations for deletion and page moves for NINE days - and informing a WikiProject of a proposed deletion has NEVER been a requirement. GiantSnowman 13:56, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I felt it required a fuller discussion before it was deleted. The match was a non-league team away at the FA Cup runners up from the previous season which would make it notable. =>  Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 13:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Newcastle United F.C. 0–1 Crystal Palace F.C. (1907) for deletion
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Reflinks
Hi, please be careful with reflinks - it's prone to put junk into the ref. For example, the author parameter in. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Same again, with . -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I was paying more attention. It just didn't register. => Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 20:34, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Euro Elections 2014
Indeed, I mixed up 2013-2014 with 2012-2013 in this edit. Thanks for the remark! Rubiscube (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Linebreak
Hi.

I noticed that when you edited 2013–14 Norwich City F.C. season you used an incorrect linebreak when adding goals. Instead of using , that does not work in some wikipedia you should instead use (or  ). For more information please read WP:LINEBREAK (and note that they use in their example). Thank you. QED 237  (talk)  01:23, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There is nothing technically wrong with - the space is optional. Its absence has been known to cause trouble with some versions of Internet Explorer, but Wikipedia pages are put through HTML Tidy before being served, and this adds a space at that position yielding, so IE browsers never actually see the unspaced form.
 * What is incorrect is with the slash first instead of last. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * From WP:LINEBREAK: "Wikipedia currently renders HTML5 where and  are both valid. Normally HTML Tidy will convert a variety of versions of the break tag to  including, ,  and . This conversion does not work in a number of MediaWiki interface pages and can cause invalid HTML and problems rendering the page. Other wikis may not have HTML Tidy enabled, thus exported pages using an incorrect break tags will result in invalid HTML."
 * Recently I saw the being remove with a link to a page saying it was wrong, I will see if I can find it.  QED 237   (talk)  15:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:LINEBREAK has recently had a content dispute. There have been several discussions about exactly which variants are fine to leave alone, and which should be altered, on several different pages, sometimes simultaneously. Some of these were on user talk pages, so I don't know just how widespread the discussions have been, but see for example Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner, Village pump (technical)/Archive 117 and Wikipedia talk:Line-break handling. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links, I were not aware of those discussions and I will read them when I have rested my eyes. Anyhow to me it seems better to use or  from the start, when editing an article instead of the others.  QED 237   (talk)  23:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What I saw was a bot (I think), making edits according to error no.2 at WikiProject Check Wikipedia/List of errors QED 237   (talk)  22:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Next matchday scenarios
Hi. Thank you for participating in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. I have proposed a conclusion that addresses your concern regarding reliable sources. Would appreciate a comment. Ivan Volodin (talk) 10:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

League tables in season articles
Hello. Noticed your addition of the new league table template thingy to 2013–14 Birmingham City F.C. season. Pity you removed the named reference for the original, which was used elsewhere in the article, but don't worry, the bot recovered it. Was wondering if there's any way of restricting the lines of boilerplate underneath to relevant stuff, such as abbreviations actually used in the table section, as-of date and reference? But what really bothers me, is that the league table section replaced was up-to-date and accurate, according to its heading "as of the date of Birmingham's last game" (which was 21 Dec). The section transcluded, despite the boilerplate claiming "Updated to games played on 21 December 2013", isn't up-to-date and accurate as of that date: it includes some games played on that date, but certainly doesn't include Middlesbrough v Millwall. If the table is being updated piecemeal, but the as-of date is updated as soon as any games are added, it doesn't strike me as much of an improvement for the reader. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I made the bold assumption that the table included in the season article was correct (which is where I copied the info from). I'll correct it shortly.  =>  Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 12:04, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I have not looked at the table in question but if the template is updated but not the article page it could have something to do with the cache of that page. More can be read at Village pump (technical)/Archive 121. QED 237   (talk)  15:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Cheers, the table was wrong on the season article when I started to create the new template. I spotted the purging thread while wondering why nothing was fixing the errors last night, I now edit my sandbox and keep doing preview. =>  Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 15:23, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Mohamed Salah
Dear Spudgfsh, Please read the text Mohamed Salah before you revert Edits (!!!) FC Basel won the Swiss Super League in 2012–13, they were Swiss Cup Runner-up 2012–13. and won the Uhren Cup 2013. Salah was awarded the CAF Most Promising African Talent of the Year in 2012 CAF Awards. How many more refs do you need (???) Bye --Huligan0 (talk) 23:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Expand sect
I've just reverted your mindless tagging of the lists like List of British films of the 1950s. If you'd read the text at the top you should have realized that the section are not intended to be added too and they function merely as dab pages. If you've done this to other country film lists please self-revert. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:26, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Upgraded league table templates
Hi,

Thanks for creating Template:2014–15 Premier League table/p and fixing the template.

There is a reason why I had not created the templates on my own in the past and I thought I should mention why, since you have been a bit involved in the past.

First of all there is consensus at WT:FOOTY to remove the years name it only "Premier League table" or "Current Premier League table" so we can use same template season after season without creating new one s every season. Just substitute the template on the pages it is used and then reset it with new teams. This can be read at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 84 and this TfD. Already renamed template are for example Template:Current Fußball-Bundesliga table‎.

Secondly this templates use helper templates such as template:PL13 which is used and this template is maybe to be removed. The templates has had a lot of problems with editors not updating the helper template so that is why a new solution is considered. There has been a new solution presented to me at User talk:Qed237 (by an other editor working hard with these templates) where helper template must not be updated. This can currently be seen at 2014–15 Eredivisie table and Template:2014–15 Eredivisie table/layout. I am/was strongly considering implementing that when a few minor "issues" is solved.

Thirdly the template:fb cl team is supposed to be replaced by template:fb cl2 team by WT:FOOTY consensus and a TfD. This since a lot of uneccessary fb team templates should be removed. I have wikilinks to consensus somewhere if you need them.

Just letting you know so that you dont get surprised if the template gets a major overhauling or even gets deleted (via TfD). If you have any questions or thoughts that is very appreciated. For example do I need do go to WT:FOOTY (dont feels like it)? QED 237  (talk)  20:53, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm happy with anything that makes it easier to update. once you have a solution you are happy with take it to WT:FOOTY to tell people about the change. =>  Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 21:19, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay great, we will keep on working and when I am satisfied go to WT:FOOTY. After that a lot of templates may be modified/created ahead of the upcoming season. QED 237   (talk)  21:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: Premier League Golden Glove
Hi Spudgfsh! I was just wondering, what do you mean by "the other rows are in alphabetical order." Premier League Golden Boot (FL passed last month) and Premier League Manager of the Season (at least for countries) are sorted chronologically. Thoughts? —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:20, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally I have little opinion on the matter. I'm just tired of the edit war. If you must have an order that is important you need to discuss it, agree it and to document it. => Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 17:25, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm curious about this, as the table in the previous section (wins by country) does not follow the logic you propose. For me, it's either fix all of it, or leave it alone.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:30, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * My mistake. => Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 17:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * To me both sections should be as they was until some sort of consensus of the order is found. That is chronological for the first table and alhpabetical on the other (before bloom started changing). I dont know what consensus he is refering to as I fail to see one, it is just me and him arguing and no consensus. We have both provided article to support our order, but no consensus. QED 237   (talk)  22:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * Hi Spudgfsh, congratulations on the GA. I have nominated it for DYK here. Any alternative hooks are welcome. Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Doctor Who Reliable Source
Can I source the Pirate Bay script torrents ha ha :-)

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Reverts on 2016–17 Football League Championship article
Hello, Spudgfsh.

I am the user who has added the Positions by round section of the 2016–17 Football League Championship, in the same vein as that can be found in similar articles, such as here in the 2016-17 La Liga article and here in the 2016-17 Ligue 1 article. However, in your recent edit on the 30th of August 2016, you seemed to have deleted the entire section, with the justification of "unsourced and WP:notstats".

When I first created the section, I had it sourced to the BBC Sport League Tables; however, if the BBC table is not enough for a verifiable source, then I can add to the table such links as the Newcastle v Brighton game on the 27th of August and the Ipswich Town v Norwich City game on the 21st of August, where on the right side of each article, there is a table that shows the league as is at the end of the week.

Furthermore, I created this article following the prior existence of such a table in other pages as well, not only in the two I mentioned, but also in the 2016-17 Serie A article, the 2016-17 Primeira Liga article, and the 2016-17 Football League Two article, amongst others. If the table in the 2016-17 Football League Championship should be deleted, then with the same justification, shouldn't the same table be deleted in the rest of the articles as well?

Thanks.

Kerl126 (talk) 16:41, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * These sections have been debated endlessly on previous seasons articles. they are considered synthesis unless you can find a source which has the whole positions by round table.  The table you were including had some rules you have made up yourself to determine what to happen when teams don't play on a particular matchday. This is considered original research. These articles are not supposed to be stats pages but articles about the season.  If you wish to improve these articles start adding sourced text describing the season month by month.=>  Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 16:57, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response, Spudgfsh. I have read the discussion that you've mentioned; however, the consensus seems to be only for the Premier League, and does not apply to the Football League Championship, League One, and League Two. Furthermore, I have done some more digging around on the web and I have found a reputable website that actually shows all the Championship teams' positions by round here. Although it isn't one giant table, it is all from one source, and according to WP:SYNTH this is not a synthesis or original research. The other Positions by round tables from Ligue 1, Serie A, and Primiera Liga are from similar sources that also do not have an entire "positions by round" table, yet they are accepted by the community here. So, this Championship Positions by round table should be fine to be placed in the article. Kerl126 (talk) 22:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a case of WP:OSE. There's probably a case for taking to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football to discuss the removal of all of these things but I don't have the time at the moment. Generally the regular editors of the english football seasons pages consider it original research and will remove it when it's added.  The same goes for the assists tables which periodically appear.=>  Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 17:37, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports teams for deletion
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2016–17 Premier League
Hi Spudgfsh, I noticed you took down a section that I added yesterday on the positions of the teams by round. I saw this sort of section on other league articles (La Liga, Serie A, etc.) and was wondering why you removed it because I see no harm in leaving it there. Special:Contributions/Mediocre Legacy (talk) 13:46, 1 January 2017 (EST)
 * it is the consensus of the premier league season articles that it isn't included. just because WP:OSE it doesn't mean it should be there. =>  Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 19:54, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues
Hello Spudgfsh, I have some quotions reltd with that page:

1Would you mind to remove from that template: { { historical } }

2This list is very helful in terms of regarding notblity at Afd. Would you mind to create wieder tble which would also include 'seprate column for sources', 'separate column for "best achivement at IFFHS ranking of the leagues"' and separate sections for: 1Proffesioonal leagues at national level 2Lower divisions which are considered as proffesional 3Leagues at national level not considered as proffesional (currently thre is 1st and 3rd option but no 2nd)

What do you think? I would also like to very slightly change/update guidelines for notablity of football players but firstly I would like to correct this xtremally long (453 references) page, would you able to help me? It is very big. Cheers Dawid2009 (talk) 14:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)