User talk:Squallor~enwiki

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I am curious about your edits related to Eric D. Snider and List of Latter-day Saints. Can you explain why you think he's not well known, or why you believe that he was the author of the biography here on Wikipedia? (I am not Mr. Snider, incidentally, in case that question were to arise in your mind.) Your edits suggest some sort of disdain for Mr. Snider; is that accurate, or am I misunderstanding the nature of your contributions? I'd genuinely like to know your point of view.

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Looking forward to your response, alanyst /talk/ 05:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

re:snider
Alanyst- I do not feel disdain toward Mr. Snider, curiosity is a better word, and possibly a little indignation, not toward him but toward his inclusion in several of the categories from which I deleted him. I suppose my edit could be seen as disdainful, but I feel it is accurate. If you have visited his page, I think you would agree. In response to how "well known" he is--he was a moderately popular humor writer as an undergraduate at BYU. I was a student at the time and that is how I became familiar with him. As his biography indicates, he went on to write movie reviews at a small newspaper in Utah. Now he writes a column and movie reviews and a blog online. However, I was quite surprised to find him in the categories of Latter-day saint writers and musicians. Yes, he is a latter-day saint, and yes he is a writer, but I don't believe that because technically he fits into both categories he then deserves to be listed on the Latter-day saint writer and musician pages. Technically I fit in both groups as well, I am LDS and I have published several small pieces, but I don't think I belong on that page. Wikipedia users expect a certain relevance to the links they find on each page, and I don't beleive Mr. Snider is appropriately relevant to latter-day saint writers and musicians to be listed as such. If you were to poll all of the ~12 million LDS people in the world and ask them if they know who Eric D. Snider is, the fraction that could say "Yes" would be quite small. I understand some may argue his relevance as a writer, mainly those who were at BYU while he was writing, but in the overall scheme of things he just isn't well known enough to merit inclusion in the writer category. Even less so in the musician category. Making your own CD and selling it on your web page does not a musician make. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Squallor (talk • contribs).


 * I appreciate your thoughtful response. I suppose I consider him to merit inclusion in the "Latter-day Saint writers" category because writing is his profession, and he's a Latter-day Saint with enough notability to have an article here on Wikipedia, primarily due to things he has written.  (Some have felt he is not notable enough to have an article here, and in fact the article was deleted a few months ago, and later restored upon further discussion.  I think it's a borderline case as to his notability, but I think he's been published and featured with sufficient circulation that it's best to err on the side of including him in Wikipedia, especially since WP is not limited in size as traditional encyclopedias are.)  I think the "Latter-day Saint musician" category is a bit more of a stretch and your removal of it was probably justified; after all, he is not a professional musician and his music is not widely circulated (except for a few appearances on the Dr. Demento show).  Would you be comfortable with my restoring the writer category and leaving the musician category removed?


 * The sentence you have added to the Snider article ("His site also features a lengthy biography and voluminous self-promotional material.") carries a subtext, intended or not, that Snider is self-absorbed and vain. There may be a way to rewrite the sentence to remove that connotation, but I wonder if the bare facts of the sentence don't just state something that isn't already known or easily guessed by the typical reader.  After all, a writer, humorist, and musician who has a web site would almost certainly have a biography and self-promotional material on that site, no?  I think the sentence suggests that you're trying to say something indirectly about Mr. Snider, and it might be better left unsaid, so that the reader who wishes to visit Mr. Snider's website may draw their own conclusions.  So, my friendly suggestion would be to leave that sentence out of the article.


 * I fear that I may be coming across as more critical than I mean to sound. It's always good to have new editors here at Wikipedia, especially those who care about precisely communicating the facts.  I again encourage you to review the introduction page if you haven't already, and I wish you the best in your editing here.  I will leave you with a useful tip: you can sign and date your comments on a talk page simply by typing four tildes ( ~ ); these will automatically turn into your username and the time and date that you made the change.  Just be sure to do this only on non-article pages; edits to the articles themselves shouldn't be signed.  Again, welcome and best wishes, alanyst /talk/ 03:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. I still object to his being on the LDS writers page but I will defer to your judgement. Squallor 04:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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