User talk:SqwikiKlean

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EFKeathly - What a crock!
If Efkeathley thinks I'm one of Shamblin's worshipers (talk about paranoid), she could not be further from the truth. I cannot stand it when people are so blinded by their religious or social prejudices that they begin carelessly accusing or even lying about people they do not even know. This is exactly what Efkeathley was doing to me. An amazing symptom of "mass-hysteria" inspired by tabloid journalism. Give some people a "righteous cause" and they readily would start the next Spanish Inquisition and destroy all freedoms in order to bring about their view of what social reforms are needed. This kind of socialistic fascism would attempt to change laws and sufficiently destroy all freedoms in an attempt to "protect people from themselves." SqwikiKlean 13:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Efkeathly's First flawed response to my response on her user page
Thank you for your input on my talk page, but I never claimed to own the article. Your edits removed information regarding the Josef Smith case and allegations of child abuse at Remnant Church. This is all part of media information regarding Gwen Shamblin. If you'll notice, I kept your additions that added to the article, and only corrected where you had removed important citations and information. It is part of NPOV to include all information on a subject, not just the information that shows the subject in the best light. Please apply for arbitration in order to correct any perceived slights. Thank you for restoring the picture removed by vandalism. What I did by restoring the child sbuse allegations was much the same sort of restoration.Efkeathley 20:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Efkeathly's Second incorrect response to my challenge on her user page
I'm sorry, but the logs show that you did delete information; you deleted all reference to the glue stick issue, which is why I went back in and added another citation there. I agree that it is possible that we *both* may have NPOV issues here - you obviously feel very, very strongly about this page. In this light, I have put our current problems up at -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies

-in order to request a third opinion in the matter. Please notice that after your edits I did not simply "undo" all your work, but rather took it, section by section, and worked your information into what had been here previously. All the cites you've added in the past week are still here. What was removed were some statements you made that you didn't back up. For instance, you can't say that Gwen tells people God loves chocolate without a citation to back that up. I think your edits are in good faith, but at this point it's best to ask a third party to mediate the page.Efkeathley 18:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

If you can't win with intellect and honesty, then call for arbitration
Please wait for third party reveiw before making any further edits. I understand your frustration, but there was a raid on the church - every news source cited talks about the raid - and I think we should let the article lie until we can both get some outside input.Efkeathley 19:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Gwen Shamblin
I would love to try to help resolve this issue, but I'm not sure where to begin. Can you post on the talk page a proposal for what the text should be? Novalis 17:03, 31 May 2007

My edit made the paragraph in question read as follows:
Here's the paragraph as it was after my edit:

Remnant Fellowship Church was implicated in the death of Josef Smith, a child who was severely abused by his parents.[23] The Smiths believed their son was possessed, and their religious beliefs led to a raid on the church.[24] [25] An audio tape was leaked to a local television news outlet in Nashville and broadcast. On the recording, Mrs. Shamblin can be heard to say:"If they're not scared of a spanking, you haven't spanked them. If you haven't really spanked them, you don't love them. You love yourself."[26]

The "raid on the church" statement is still in the paragraph (contrary to what was said about the edit) and the unsourced sentence is now accurate to the news information. Also of note, even the citation of the inditement PDF document (that was seemingly being used as the source for the unsupported sentence) was not removed during the edit, but probably should be. SqwikiKlean


 * Is this your current proposal for the text of the article? If so, please put it on the article talk page. If not, please figure out what your proposal is, and put it on the talk page. Novalis 14:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's the unreferenceable and innacurate portion that I removed.

 * "In the raid, recordings of Gwen encouraging corporal punishment of Josef on more than one occasion were found and subsequently used as evidence against the Smiths.[25] The tapes were also leaked to a local television news outlet in Nashville and broadcast. On the tapes,..."

Where did this information come from? I looked intently at the article and any others I could still scour from the internet, but could not find any reference to this portion of the paragraph. So, where did it come from? Most interestingly, why would someone then insist that it remain? SqwikiKlean