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Grenfell, SK
Do you think we might substitute the not-very-prepossessing photo of the Town Hall with the photo of Main Street that I took way-back-when?

Masalai (talk) 04:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

commons delinker
Hi SriMesh,

Hope you are well. I have had the image of Arnold Tremere deleted by a bot. Not realizing at first that this move was automated I tried to reply to the talk page with:

I think that somewhere there has been a miscommunication and it is probably on my end. I am fairly new to Wiki and have uploaded a number of versions of the Arnold Tremere image. The last image was added by a helpful editor, SriMesh. I certainly remember selecting permissions for all of my uploads but on this particular image an additional e-mail was sent to make sure that permissions were logged somewhere. I am not experienced enough to track this down but would greatly appreciate seeing this image restored. I can repost but it seems that an endless cycle of undos will ensue so I am hoping that we can just fix this here.

Regards, --Amazona01 (talk) 20:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Since there will not be anyone to attend this message I am not sure how to proceed, should I just reload it?

Thanks for any advice...

Images for poor old Regina
Dear Srimesh,

The quite lovely photo of the SK legislative bldg with Wascana Lake and downtown Regina appears to have failed the rigorous tests for inclusion in Wikipedia articles.

What say you replace it with this photo, which I think you yourself provided? It was http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WascanaLake.JPG

Best regards

Masalai (talk) 08:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC) Best as always,--72.230.147.96 (talk) 23:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Sustainable transport is part of Wikiproject Highways?
Hi, I note you have added Sustainable transport as part of Wikiproject Highways, which is a little confusing, but fine, but did you also add the "neutrality of this article is disputed" tag? And if so are you interested in assisting me in improving the article? It's not an easy topic to write a neutral article on, but I'm happy to try. The article certainly needs improving.--Travelplanner (talk) 08:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Adopt me
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Hi. I want to improve Iraqi Turkmen article. Adopt me?--Bunifa88 (talk) 00:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

--Bunifa88 (talk) 00:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I want to improve Iraqi Turkmen article, which deals with semi-vandals. Adopt me?--Bunifa88 (talk) 00:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Any way you can add me to your MSN? It would be SO MUCH easier this way, besides I have private questions. --Bunifa88 (talk) 02:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No?--Bunifa88 (talk) 20:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I popped off an email to you, but I don't use MSN, I use yahoo mail. I will send off another to you.  SriMesh |  talk  22:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * When? Any other way we can instant message? Facebook maybe? Kind regards--Bunifa88 (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

ACR for CA 78
I finally finished addressing your comments (minus one I didn't understand.) If you could take a look at the review, that would be great. Thanks, Rschen7754 (T C) 03:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Adoption
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Yorkton, Sask
Hi, you reported Vandalism when I added Constance Hunt to the notable people section of the Yorkton, Saskatchewan page. Ms. Hunt was born in Yorkton, Saskatchewan and grew up there. I would appreciate if you looked up your facts before you performed such actions. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC).

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DYK for Camp Gilwell
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Hi
Hi, SriMesh, I noticed you added a link by a revisionist pan-turkist (Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis) famous (or notorious) for his extreme fascistic and anti-Kurdish articles on internet. I stronly believe that this guy's articles which have no scholarly grounds, and can be regarded by any definiation as racist, have no place on Wikipedia (as an encyclopaeda). Thank you. Ellipi (talk) 20:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. Kirkuk is not capital of Turkmeneli! Kirkuk is capital of Kirkuk province, inhabited predominantly by Kurds, with a sizable Arab minority and some Turkmen. Mofak Salman is not a reliable source either, nor buzzle.com seem to be a peer-reviewd academic journal. I agree that every article should have references, but in case of a political neologism such as turkmeneli, there can be find hardly any verifiable and third-party sources, (out of random links or non-scholarly articles written by ethnic Turkman such as Mofak, or ethnic Turks such as Muhammad Shamsaddin.) Ellipi (talk) 03:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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== WikiProject Saskatchewan Newsletter: Volume 3, Issue 4 - April 2009 ==

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Using banners
Hi. Please be more careful when adding banners in talk pages. You should not copy the whole banner and then just add "yes" in the right fields. Please add only the fields you think are useful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:12, 4 April 2009 (UTC) Moreover, "needs-photo" in WPBiography should be "yes" or not exist. Please read instructions more carefuly. Happy editing -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the invite i joined.  Cheers  Kyle1278 00:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you again i have also joined that one.  Cheers  Kyle1278 01:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite
Hi. Thanks for the invite to join WikiProject Highways, but you're almost 2 years too late with the invite. :-) --Athol Mullen (talk) 03:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Excellent work with the wikiproject membership invites. :-) --Athol Mullen (talk) 13:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

International Highways WikiProject
Hi SriMesh! Thank you for pointing the guidelines for the improvement of road articles into B-class out, and your invitation to the WikiProject International Highways. I'll do my best. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 05:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Invitation
thank you for the invitation. i'd love to join. help me with my articles. thanks.Mfa fariz (talk) 07:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Indian roads
Hi, thanks for the invitation! Actually I started what seemd around 100 or so of the missing national highways. As I could see people were working on them admittedly I created them pretty quickly as I know in due course they will be expanded. I'll try to add a bit or find some images for some of them if I can, fraid I'm too busy around the globe though to join the project! Good luck with the project and if ever you need anything else started let me know! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 09:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh actually if it is the International Highways project which covers the world then I'll gladly join the project. An important part of building content on the world on here is linking parts of the world together and national highways are very important in this respect and have done much to work towards it. We should definately have all the national highways of each country cleared, my goal is to have a template for every country like Template:RoadsinCambodia and built content. you have a new member! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 09:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Sicily motorways
Thanks SriMesh for invite me to join the International Roads WikiProject!--Sal73x (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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International Roads WikiProject invite
Thanks! I have joined. Paalappoo (talk) 04:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Tom Tanner
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Tom Tanner, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Tom Tanner was murdered and he does not belong on George Zinkhan biography page as a re-direct. Rather on the incident page of the murder event.

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DYK nomination of Shia Family Law
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AfD nomination of George M. Zinkhan
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Saskatoon
Thanks for doing that. I've been meaning to do that for a while but life has been too busy lately - haven't had much time for Wikipedia other than keeping an eye on my watchlist. Your changes look good at first glace - I'll have a thorough read over the weekend and let you know if I have any other comments. Wolfrock (talk) 15:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

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Indian Head, Saskatchewan
It appears we have probably between the two of us developed the Qu'Appelle article just about as far as we can. (Despite amazing trivial objections from assorted Wikipedia bullies!) What say you and I now take on another Saskatchewan town? I think Indian Head needs a decent article: what say you? Masalai (talk) 10:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Good heavens, SriMesh, you are way, way ahead of me already! Congratulations. I am in awe! But please insert your wonderful photos of Indian Head streetscapes that we have discussed in the past: if you recall, you for a moment or two mistakenly identified them as photos of Qu'Appelle; they can now find their rightful place. Masalai (talk) 10:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look around for sports teams; for the moment I'm going through the "Our Roots" digitalisation of the local town history of 1984. Masalai (talk) 20:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is fantastic. You really are an extraordinarily talented researcher! I'll throw in my own two-bits worth on Indian Head -- well, of course I'll do more than that, but you know how the Wikipedia bullies are as to skewering all these sweated-over contributions! -- and then ask you, if you would care to, to join in on amplifying Grenfell and Broadview, another couple of interesting and neglected towns along the Hwy No. 1 Mainline. Give me a minute or two though, eh. Masalai (talk) 06:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I really am amazed: how DO you do all this?! I am tweaking format and adding content here and there on Indian Head, but may I, while I slowly proceed with that — and it will, alas, be slow — humbly ask you to work your magic also on Grenfell, Fort Qu'Appelle and Broadview, articles I have somewhat adopted in the past few months and years? Kind regards. Masalai (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

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Can you help fix with this Template:Linux devices groupstyle and liststyle correction. I am not good with style at all. -.- not an artist of myself. Thanks. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 15:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

VORTEX projects
The day has come! You are invited to update the article, before it can be put on Main Page. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hi there, I noticed on the notice board that DoubleBlue was requesting someone take over the portal in the title. I'd be interested in doing so, but I'm still new and I would need someone to help guide me through how to update/edit the portal without removing the formatting and infrastructure. DoubleBlue recommended that I message you here. If you can help, I would love to listen :) Thanks, and please reply on my talk page. MacMed (talk) 22:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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 * I just copy and pasted the code to the correct page. If you want to read it over, I put it up. Thanks MacMed (talk) 20:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Chronological order, please?
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Grenfell, SK
Ah, you DID after all, hoe in and being helping out with this article! Aren't you wonderful. As you can see I got it started, and I shall continue as time allows, as with Indian Head. Thank you! Masalai (talk) 13:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a very funny story to tell you about Grenfell but it absolutely cannot be in public! Do you have a for-Wikipedia-purposes email address? Mine is masalai@hotmail.com Masalai (talk) 02:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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accessdate parameter
I saw in Broadview, Saskatchewan that you added an "accessmonthday" and/or "accessdaymonth" parameter. Please be informed that these are deprecated. The preferred way is to put day, month, and year together in the "accessdate" parameter. Thank you, Debresser (talk) 18:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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I need your mentorship
Hi,

I need help from an experienced Wikipedian, and I saw your name over at WP:ADOPT.

I need your advice concerning WP:WPOOK, which I've been coordinating. The set of pages the project concerns is listed at Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge and WikiProject Outline of knowledge, and has grown to about 500 articles in the encyclopedia.

The goals of the WikiProject are:


 * 1) Increase awareness of readers of the existence of the outlines on Wikipedia
 * 2) Complete the existing outlines
 * 3) Create an outline for every subject that is extensive enough to benefit from having an outline (core subjects and major or extensive fields).  There are thousands of these.
 * 4) Recruit as many editors to work on these as possible (we need thousands of editors working on these)
 * 5) Surpass portals in number by the end of the summer, and leave them in the dust by the end of the year
 * 6) Get the major outline subject areas displayed on the Main Page (in place of or in addition to the portal links at the top of the page)
 * 7) Increase the OOK to higher quality than Britannica's Outline of Knowledge (published in its Propaedia volume).

I'm very interested in your comments on how to achieve these goals.

Also I'm interested in every possible way of reaching readers and editors of Wikipedia. How can I get the most eyes and typing fingers on Wikipedia's outlines? Contacting editors directly without a reason relevant to them is spam, which I'd like to avoid. There are 75,000 regular editors on Wikipedia, and I want to contact all of them. But how do I do it?

Directly or indirectly, I don't care which, piecemeal or all-at-once, all methods are fine with me. But I've got to find ways. I need your advice.

I would also like to know how to find or attract editors to create new outlines. And I need advice on finding editors to help write the new outline article mentioned above (it needs to be fleshed out, completely referenced, and brought to featured article status).

Please recommend anyone you know who might be interested in sinking their teeth into a project like this. Or ways to reach groups of editors. Or ways to reach all editors. I welcome any and all recommendations and advice you might have.

And any thoughts on attaining the WikiProject goals above.

I look forward to your reply on my talk page.

The Transhumanist 03:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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Dear Mentor
We've been working hard on your suggestions.

For your consideration, posted below is a report detailing most of what has been going on with the OOK WikiProject.

The Transhumanist 03:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I look forward to your further input on this operation...

Outline update - Good news and bad news - 06/08/2009
The big push continues.

And it seems to be working!

The good news is that there's growing support for outlines, and there are more editors than ever editing them!

The bad news is that the complainers are disproportionately represented on the project's various talk pages. While many editors work diligently on the front end, a handful of complainers are trying to tear down the project behind the scenes. Fortunately, barely enough supporters have been watching those pages that no consensus for moving or merging the outlines has succeeded. So far...

Big problem: ignorance of what outlines are for and their benefits
Most of the opposition seems to be unaware of the complete range of what outlines are used for. They just don't get it.

This is why it is important to complete the outline article draft. An article with a comprehensive treatment of outlines would be the perfect place to refer anybody unfamiliar with outlines to.

Opposers also don't seem to understand how outlines differ from some other page type that they prefer. Some think articles are good enough as an overview, others think portals are more in-depth, still others think categories or navigation boxes are the most efficient and useful way to organize and present topical information. Some have simply never seen an "Outline of" page before and think they are a new type of page (they've been around under other names since 2001).

If you run across anyone who doesn't understand the role of outlines on Wikipedia, Why do we have outlines in addition to...? might help reduce their misconceptions or uncertainties about outlines.

On the bright side, you've got to see this...
To add the outlines and related support pages to your watchlist (takes less than 30 seconds), cut and paste them from WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist. For a way to improve the display of your watchlist - by namespace (very useful) - see Watchlist sorter, or use the "super fast upgrade" at WP:OTS.

Or go to WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes (currently without the talk pages) and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu on the sidebar on the left side of your screen.

The big push
The big push started with about a thousand banners and notices being placed on article talk pages all over Wikipedia.

But it didn't stop there...

Welcome our new members...
The following Wikipedians have joined the OOK team.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and introduce yourselves.


 * Tarheel95 - going after the Main Page.
 * Vivio Testarossa / Feinoha - here to help.
 * Burningview - made a splash at MfD with WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia (see the talk page for the MfD link - lots of support there).

Enter the mentors!
I asked a bunch of mentors at WP:ADOPT for advice. Several of them answered on my talk page. Most of those who replied were happy to help, and posted some very good ideas. A couple even joined the project.

Here are their ideas, and what is being done about them. A few of the tasks still need volunteers:


 * Strdst grl: Create and place project banners - already ✅
 * Strdst grl & The Earwig: put an animated ad for the project in WP:BANNER - Our graphics specialist Penubag is looking into it.
 * Strdst grl: Create a userbox for the project - assigned to Penubag.
 * Garden: Ask to have outlines added to next year's WikiCup competition - ✅ (proposal posted)
 * Tarheel95: Add a link to Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge to the Main Page - Tarheel95 is taking on the creation of the proposal
 * SriMesh: Create an outreach subpage to WPOOK - ✅ (invitation coming soon, see below)
 * SriMesh: (Create a newsletter archive subpage) - ✅
 * SriMesh: Add a feed to AlexNewArtBot to gather links to new outlines and post them on a page. Then personally invite new creators to the project. - who wants to tackle the feed?
 * SriMesh: Assign someone to monitor the outlines via watchlist, and invite new outline editors to the project - any volunteers?
 * Related: Create an invitation - Penubag is working on it.
 * SriMesh: Create Template:Expand outline similar to Template:Expand list, which adds each outline it is posted on to Category:Incomplete outlines, where editors (who are browsing the categories) can find them and work on them - to be assigned
 * SriMesh: Add the above template to incomplete outlines - upcoming AWB task
 * The Earwig: "Tell your wikifriends about it" - I've told mine, have you told yours?
 * The Earwig: "Collaborate with other WikiProjects" - we've been doing this from the start (each outline is associated with at least one other WikiProject).
 * : move the projected outline to a subpage of WP:WPOOK - ✅

Linking to outlines has begun
To the tops of about 30 subject articles, I placed a test batch of hatnotes leading to the corresponding outlines. The hatnotes look like this:


 * For a topical guide to this subject, see Outline of X.(Hidden: <!- PLEASE LEAVE THIS LINE IN PLACE because it leads to the page that serves as the table of contents for Wikipedia's overall coverage of this subject. Thank you.-->

The rationale for the hatnotes is that each outline is a topical guide for its subject, and since tables of contents go at the front of a book, a link to each outline should be placed at the front of its subject.

Unfortunately, not all editors agree. Some of the hatnotes have already disappeared. :(

Some past discussions pertaining to the existence or location of outlines
Note that the "Lists of topics" are of two types, including outlines and indexes, so discussions to remove, move, or merge those are usually relevant to the OOK. Also, outlines are a type of list, so discussions that affect lists in general also pertain to outlines. We've got to be on our toes!


 * Move navigational lists to portal namespace
 * Articles for deletion/Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics
 * Articles for deletion/Outline of South Africa
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic visual arts and design topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic mining topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic management topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic industrial topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic computer science topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic Canada topics
 * User talk:The Transhumanist/Archive 21
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia
 * Talk:Switzerland
 * Outline of science converted to redirect by Dbachmann
 * Village pump (policy)/Archive 64
 * Administrators' noticeboard/Archive193
 * Village pump (proposals)/Archive 47

I've excluded links to live discussions, out of respect for WP:CANVASS.

Table of contents to OOK-related stuff
Here's a directory of outline support pages:


 * Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge
 * Lists
 * WP:CLN
 * Stand-alone lists
 * Outlines
 * Why do we have outlines in addition to...?
 * Comparison of Wikipedia's and Britannica's outlines of knowledge
 * WP:WPOOK
 * WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Projected outline

Keep up the great work!
The Transhumanist 03:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

WPOOK advert banner under development, here's the beta...
Thank you to those who suggested WPOOK have an animated advert banner. Penubag got working on it right away. Here's what he's come up with so far:

Penubag needs feedback.

I've posted a few changes for him to make to it.

Please post additional comments and suggestions for him at User talk:Penubag.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 02:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Need help explaining WikiCup proposal
I posted a proposal to add outlines to next year's WikiCup, and nobody there seems to understand outlines.

Help.

The Transhumanist 04:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline collaboration!
As you know, Penubag is working on a banner to advertise the Outline WikiProject. And he's almost done.

The banner prominently presents the "Outline of chocolate", which of course will become the most widely advertised outline as soon as the banner goes live. The first thing many editors will do after seeing the banner is look for that outline.

The problem is, we don't have one.

So that's our first outline collaboration!

I started a draft this morning.

It needs to be finished and moved to the article namespace before we can start using Penubag's banner ad!

Come join in on the fun. It's chocolate!

The Transhumanist 21:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear Mentor,
Thank you for your advice. We're putting it to good use.

I've run into a situation, and need your valuable insight.

One thing I've tried to do with respect to the outlines is place a hatnote on subject articles leading to that subject's corresponding outline.

Two people complained, and form the basis of consensus not to do it.

The main concern was quality: a hatnote shouldn't be placed unless the outline is of at least the same or higher quality than the article the hatnote is being placed on. That sets up a catch-22, since we need the best linking we can to attract readers and editors in the first place. The more traffic, the more feedback and changes.

So quality is the focus.

Please have a look at the outlines.

What are the biggest quality issues? What do the outlines need done to them in order to improve their quality?

I look forward to your reply on my talk page.

The Transhumanist 22:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Whitewood, Saskatchewan
Dear Srimesh -- as you will have seen, I have been attempting with your kind assistance to build up an assortment of Saskatchewan town articles. Indian Head, Grenfell and Qu'Appelle are particular triumphs of your magic. Would you mind awfully also turning your attention to ==Whitewood==? I think I have done as much as I can there, and if you could give it your attention also....Kind regards. 06:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, you have indeed hoed in! And wonderful it is. I have had a few private preoccupations in past weeks that have kept me from the sort of diligence I have employed in the past but I shall return to the task in due course. But your work is absolutely marvellous. Masalai (talk) 14:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen the article on the French Counts of St Hubert, Saskatchewan, no -- and thanks for bringing it to my attention. There are a few inaccuracies in the article -- do the US spellings indicate that the writer is based outside Canada, do you suppose? -- but I had never heard of the settlement before I did some work on the Whitewood article so can't really presume to hoe in on it. At least not yet. A fascinating little cul-de-sac of prairie history though, eh. Not dissimilar to Cannington Manor. Masalai (talk) 02:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Re: the previous Wikipedia article text. That's the old material that we are now working on improving. I don't suppose it actually all needed to go, but I do wonder if it is all particularly significant. I had been planning on visiting SK again this summer but I've just been given a rather exciting new job which involves sticking around here: I'd intended to drive east on Number 1 Highway catching contemporary photos of these towns but oh well, another time. I'd rather do it in winter anyway, when Saskatchewan is really interesting to look at. (It's pretty in summer but it looks like any one of thousands of other places. Possibly given that you're living there and contending with winter yourself instead of looking back on it with acute nostalgia, you don't entirely agree!) I'll take another look at that text when I get a moment and confer with you as to what we can agree should go back in and what can stay out. Some of the items are plainly false; others are too trivial to merit mention. Kind regards. Masalai (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

WPOOK's advert banner is done!


Is it perfect? Can it be improved?

Penubag loves feedback. Please let him know if it can be further improved.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 23:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

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Outline update - Full Steam Ahead! - 06/18/2009
Several members of the WikiProject have been hard at work.

Buaidh has been building and refining the outlines on the U.S. States, the states' historical outlines, and the Historical outline of the United States. Lately, his edits have dominated the project's watchlist readout. (I think he's overdue for a barnstar or two. hint hint)

Penubag has been working on medals for all the main branches of the OOK, and has completed the OOK WikiProject's animated advert banner (see below).

Highfields has been filling in the currencies for each country on their respective outlines.

NuclearWarfare and Thehelpfulone have been busy with WP:AWB, posting banners and notices, and helping our sister project, the Index WikiProject, get established. Indexes work hand-in-hand with the outlines and are prominently linked to from the top of most of them. And the outlines, which serve as tables of contents, are only as good as the pages they link to.

Since we started integrating (linking) the OOK and its support pages into the encyclopedia and into the Wikipedia community, activity on outlines has been increasing. Though there's still much left to do.

But I digress. There are a couple more...

Welcome our new members! Stefan and MacMed
Stefan is building the Outline of sharks.

MacMed has joined our advanced wiki-tools team, and is currently adding links to outlines in the corresponding subject articles' see also sections.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and say "hi".

WPOOK's advert banner has gone live!
Penubag has finished this WikiProject's animated advert banner, and it is now being displayed on the Wikipedia ads template which in turn is displayed on about 2000 user pages. Each time someone access one of those pages, there is a 1 in 184 chance of them viewing this:

If you'd like to display the banner on your userpage locked-on to the ad as above, use the following code:

 

(By the way, it's been awhile since we've barnstarred Penubag).

Watchers needed!
If you haven't already, please add the entire project's watchlist to your watchlist. Here's how:


 * From the edit window, copy and paste WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist.


 * Or go to WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu in Wikipedia's sidebar on the left hand side of the screen.

Check the watchlist every time you log on!
I forgot to mention this step above. :)

The OOK is in 5 other Wikipedias?
I can't make heads or tails of 'em, but these links were on Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge:


 * ar:ويكيبيديا:مواضيع أساسية
 * fa:پورتال:فهرست موضوعات پایه
 * pl:Przegląd dziedzin wiedzy
 * pt:Portal:Conteúdo/Esboço do conhecimento
 * zh-yue:基礎課題表清單

Resurrected from the grave yard...
I discovered an AfD discussion on possibly the first article named "Outline of", which was called Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics, and which was created 4 years ago. Of course they deleted it. But now it has many friends, and so it has risen from the dead. :)

See the DRV discussion at Deletion review/Log/2009 June 7.

A diamond buried in project space

 * When G716 found the page "Learn" tucked away as a subpage of the Probability WikiProject, he thought "This deserves to be in the article space", and moved it to the encyclopedia. See Outline of probability.

Recruiting
Recruiters needed. Drop me a note if you are interested.

Advice from the mentors

 * Astatine-210, Strdst grl, and Willscrlt - link to the outlines from the corresponding subject articles' see also sections - this is underway by MacMed (non-country outlines) and User talk:NuclearWarfare (counry outlines).
 * Astatine-210 - add a link to the outlines to the disambiguation pages of the corresponding subjects - good idea. Since "Outline" is just the type of page, not the subject, I think these might qualify for inclusion on disambiguation pages. We need someone to look into the relevant guidelines on this.
 * SimonTrew - provide a badge (userbox) for WPOOK members to add to their user pages - Penubag will have one for us soon.
 * Zachary crimsonwolf - create a card explaining outlines, and send it to everyone you know, and make it viral (by including a request for the recipients to send the card to everyone they know) - this task has been split in three:
 * Creation of a "thank you for your interest" card which introduces (explains) outlines, to send to queriers, new participants to discussions, those who seem to be confused about outlines, etc.
 * Creation of a thank you card / invitation to the WPOOK, to send to users we see working on outlines, including a request for them to invite others whom they think might be interested


 * weebiloobil - contact Wikignomes - OK...
 * 3. Creation of an invitation to Wikignomes, with a brief rundown on the types of tasks there are for them to do on the outlines. The invitation will include a request for them to invite anyone they think would enjoy working on outlines.


 * weebiloobil - add examples to Outlines - more examples will be added as suitable outlines are completed
 * weebiloobil - add a picture to Outlines (it doesn't have to be relevant), to provide atmosphere and to break it up visually and add a splash of color - will do, and we'll add a caption to make it relevant, with a link to the outline on that subject. Thank you for the idea.
 * Zachary crimsonwolf - ask Jimbo Wales to bestow the award(s) for the country outlines contest, once you get it going first - we'll give that a try
 * Zachary crimsonwolf - ask everyone in the project to inform their acquaintances around Wikipedia about the OOK - will do, as soon as the cards
 * UzEE - collaborate with all the WikiProjects you share scope with - we've placed a banner on their talk pages, and have placed task notices on some. We'll be posting more tasks, and plan to create a section on contents system development and maintenance for each WikiProject page itself.
 * SriMesh - if you can't get outlines added to next year's WikiCup, then create your own WikiCup-like contest - there's 6 months left to this year to address reservations and work out the details at WikiCup. In the meantime, there's the 200-WikiProject contest, which needs input.

More outline tasks

 * WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of chocolate draft - our current outline collaboration!
 * Outline of psychology - someone moved a big chunk of this article to the talk page, leaving a big gap in the outline. Editors are needed to add subheadings and links.
 * See also links - add (where "x" is the subject) to the see also section of the corresponding subject article of each outline

New outlines in article space

 * Outline of sharks - under construction in article space
 * Outline of Hinduism (converted from "List of Hinduism-related topics")

New outline drafts

 * Outline of chocolate
 * Outline of Christianity

Main discussion pages

 * Wikipedia talk:Outlines
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge
 * Portal talk:Contents/Outline of knowledge

Keep up the great work
I'm impressed with the level of enthusiasm and work going into the outlines. I'm proud to be working with each of you.

The Transhumanist 21:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline collaboration #2: Outline of Gibraltar
This outline is approaching completion.

I added a bunch more links, finding them with the following Google site-specific searches of Wikipedia:
 * "of" and "Gibraltar"


 * "in" and "Gibraltar"


 * "for" and "Gibraltar"


 * with "Gibraltar" not at the end

(You can use the wikicode for the links above as the basis for new searches - just replace "Gibraltar" with any other country or region name).

Request: please redirect the redlinks! (bluelinking...)
The redlinks need to be bluelinked where possible. The most useful way is to create redirects leading to the material (which is usually included in a section of an article - see Redirect. That way, when the redirect pages are replaced by the actual articles, the links will already point to the right places.

Please take a crack at it, and bluelink a few.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 00:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

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The French Counts of St Hubert, Saskatchewan
Thanks for your wonderful additions to the French Counts of St Hubert page that I started. I saw another comment where someone wondered about the origins of the writer. Larry Smeets was born and raised on in St Hubert's and now lives in BC. --ggatin (talk) 05:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I finally got to whack somebody with a trout!
That was fun. :)

The Transhumanist 23:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Push push push - 06/25/2009
Work is proceeding apace...


 * Julian is working on getting a bot account (and he delivered this update as his trial run).
 * Penubag is working on the Project page and upcoming contest.
 * Buaidh is developing all of the U.S. state historical outlines.
 * Tarheel95 is writing a proposal to add a link to the Main Page leading to the the OOK.
 * Highfields is integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia by deorphanizing outlines by placing a main link in the see also section of the subject articles that have a corresponding outline.
 * I've been trying to keep up with them. :)


 * New members


 * Minnecologies - developing Outline of forestry and is watching the big picture.
 * Mnation2 - improving Outline of Lebanon


 * Hatnotes

The current consensus is that we can't place a hatnote leading to an outline at the top of a subject articles unless the outline being presented is of at least the same quality-level as the article.


 * What's next...

Improve outline quality by completing them.

Place hatnotes for the outlines of high enough quality.

Guidelines pertaining to outlines need to be updated. Outlines emerged as a class of pages only a few months ago, and most of the relevant guidelines don't cover them specifically. For example, Stand-alone lists is incredibly out of date.

Invite wikignomes, wikielves, and wikifairies (all 2500+ of them) to help on the outlines.

Identify 600 more subjects with coverage extensive enough to justify outlines, create rudimentary drafts for them, and post notices to the corresponding WikiProjects and subject talk pages to help build them.

Convert outlines titled "List of" to outline articles, and add them to the OOK. There are a few hundred of these. Conversion instructions are needed.

Add a description of outlines to About Wikipedia and Basic navigation, and add tips about outlines to the WP:TOTD and Tips library.


 * Keep up the great work!

The Transhumanist 20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for feedback
Minnecologies has done an incredible amount of work on Outline of forestry and posted a note to me on my talk page requesting feedback.

I've posted my observations at Talk:Outline of forestry.

Please take a look at the outline and let Minnecologies know what you think of it on the outline's talk page.

Thank you.

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Using popular news sites as sources for articles on dinosaur genera
Hi Sri,

I've reverted this edit you made to Wintonotitan. Although I appreciate you expanding the article, you changed the name of the genus and species, you altered the name of the paper, and you introduced other errors as well. Presumably, you based your edits on the Fox News article, which is very poor. The actual PDF of the paper describing Wintonotitan is here (and it's free). Please don't use the poorly-spelled and incorrect "article" from Fox News. Firsfron of Ronchester 19:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk pageSriMesh | talk  19:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see the reply. Where on my talk page is it? :) Firsfron of Ronchester  19:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You were speedier than me. I took a bit to type, as the puppy had to go out.  ;-)SriMesh |  talk  19:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Commons
Please, be carefully: In this case, you are not the copyright holder of the work. Thank you--Trixt (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of of Death of Michael Jackson/sandbox
A tag has been placed on Death of Michael Jackson/sandbox, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

it was created as a mainspace subpage sandbox that was un-discussed

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add  on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. --- Scarce  ||||  Talk  - Contrib. --- 06:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Michael Jackson/sandbox
I probably should have told you, your article can be found at User:SriMesh/Death of Michael Jackson, you should never create an article in the mainspace that is a subpage. You should always create sandboxes and test pages or articles that your are about to create with the prefix User:SriMesh/ That way you can do whatever you want with it and it won't get deleted. You can put a message on the Death of Michael Jackson talk page with a link to your subpage. Any un-discussed mainspace subpages will always be deleted. --- Scarce  ||||  Talk  - Contrib. --- 01:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Dear Mentor
SriMesh,

Thank you for your previous advice.

We've been integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia. Hatnotes were rejected (until quality improves), but we've been adding links to see also sections.

As a result of the increased exposure due to these internal links and to banners placed on WikiProject talk and subject talk pages, a fair amount of opposition has risen. I expected some of this.

But one of the opposers is getting very devious, using tricks like venue shopping WP:AN and WP:ANI - he has over 123,456 edits, so he has to know those were not the appropriate place to post notices of this type. It was a backhanded tactic. But not as bad as the way he presents his case - I'm finding his rhetoric very difficult to deal with.

Here's a list of the incidents and discussions regarding outlines.

What I need is advice on improving outline support pages (instructions, descriptions, etc., and how they are organized) so that editors who come into the middle of this chaos can make quick sense of outlines and how they fit into the big picture (and how they relate to the other parts of Wikipedia). There's a lot of confusion between outlines and portals, for instance.

Here's a directory of outline-related pages.

I very much look forward to your insights.The Transhumanist 03:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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Outline Update - Exhausted - 07/10/2009
I'm sorry that I haven't been available to assign tasks lately. For the past 3 days (not including today) I've been almost totally consumed in discussions concerning the location and very existence of outlines. Today I finally broke free and got back to work on outlines. Felt good.

A great deal has been happening with outlines and behind the scenes. I just don't have time to tell you all about it this time around. Here's the best I can do...


 * How to watch what's going on with outlines

If you'd like a bird's eye view of everything that's happening with respect to outlines, see this page:


 * WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.

Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):


 * WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
 * WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
 * WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.
 * Recently converted to outlines

These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format:


 * Outline of martial arts (was "List of martial arts-related topics")
 * Outline of wine - converted by Stefan (was called "List of wine-related topics")
 * Outline of the creation-evolution controversy (was "List of topics in the creation-evolution controversy")
 * Outline of actuarial science (was "Actuarial topics")
 * Outline of industrial organization (was "List of topics in industrial organization")
 * Recently merged into outlines

There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following one have been recently merged:


 * List of finance topics into Outline of finance

The Transhumanist 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

AfD notification
An article which you created, George Zinkhan, is being considered for deletion at Articles for deletion/George Zinkhan (2nd nomination). You are welcome to comment in the discussion. <font color="#ee3366">Lady <font color="#229922">of <font color="#0095c6">Shalott 01:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Peer Review
Sorry for the late response if there was none, but I think a peer review is a great thing to have. We can have a peer review system the WikiProject I started as well. Mr. C.C. (talk) 05:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline Update - Exhausted - 07/10/2009
I'm sorry that I haven't been available to assign tasks lately. For the past 3 days (not including today) I've been almost totally consumed in discussions concerning the location and very existence of outlines. Today I finally broke free and got back to work on outlines. Felt good.

A great deal has been happening with outlines and behind the scenes. I just don't have time to tell you all about it this time around. Here's the best I can do...


 * How to watch what's going on with outlines

If you'd like a bird's eye view of everything that's happening with respect to outlines, see this page:


 * WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.

Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):


 * WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
 * WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
 * WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.
 * Recently converted to outlines

These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format:


 * Outline of martial arts (was "List of martial arts-related topics")
 * Outline of wine - converted by Stefan (was called "List of wine-related topics")
 * Outline of the creation-evolution controversy (was "List of topics in the creation-evolution controversy")
 * Outline of actuarial science (was "Actuarial topics")
 * Outline of industrial organization (was "List of topics in industrial organization")
 * Recently merged into outlines

There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following one have been recently merged:


 * List of finance topics into Outline of finance

The Transhumanist 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline Update - Basking in the light of knowledge - 07/28/2009
Phase two of outline integration (de-orphanizing outlines by adding links leading to them into article see also sections) is nearly complete. The better that outlines are integrated into the encyclopedia, the more use they will be to readers.

Due to greater exposure through outline integration, and with most of the OOK team on school summer vacation, development activity on outlines has increased a lot...


 * New members


 * Be sure to welcome our newest members to the team:
 * Tiamut
 * Mandsford


 * News : Outline of Palestine survives AfD


 * The outline was nominated for deletion for being too general in scope. The consensus was overwhelmingly for keeping it.


 * The most memorable comment was posted by Mandsford: I like the poetic name, anyway. [Outline of Palestine]. "Master Plan of Pakistan" and "Rough Sketch of Bangladesh" would be good too.


 * Special thanks to Tiamut for greatly improving the outline, and helping to save it from AfD.


 * To keep track of outline AfDs and other outline-related discussions, see WP:OOKDISC.


 * Who's active on Wikipedia this summer?


 * Courtesy of Rich Farmbrough, here's a list of editors by their edit counts over the previous month (8th June to 8th July).


 * It would be nice to get the most prolific Wikipedians involved with WP:WPOOK. If you can, find a good reason to contact one or more of them, and invite them to work on a relevant outline - or all 500!


 * Who's been up to what?


 * Buaidh, Highfields, and Gimme danger have been working on the government sections of the country outlines. Being that there are about 240 of these, with critical information being filled in on each, this is by far the hardest and most important chore of this WikiProject right now.
 * Penubag is working on a redesign of the top OOK page.
 * Tiamut has done an incredible job developing the Outline of Palestine.
 * And kudos also go to Eu.stefan for his work on Outline of Buddhism.

Thank you.

Here's what else has been going on...


 * New outlines


 * Recently created outlines include:


 * Outline of England - TT
 * Outline of Scotland - TT
 * Outline of Buddhism - Eu.stefan
 * Outline of ancient Greece - TT


 * Recently converted to outlines


 * These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format and added to the OOK:


 * Outline of the Vietnam War - was "List of Vietnam War-related topics" - TT
 * Outline of combinatorics - was "List of combinatorics topics" - converted by Minnecologies
 * Outline of category theory - was "List of category theory topics" converted by Minnecologies
 * Outline of scientific method - was "List of scientific method topics" - TT
 * Outline of ancient Rome - was "List of topics related to ancient Rome" - TT


 * Recently merged into outlines


 * There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles.  The following articles have been recently merged into OOK pages:


 * List of finance topics into Outline of finance - TT
 * List of England-related topics into Outline of England - TT


 * Outlines that have been tagged
 * Tags are requests to fix a problem or improve an article in a particular way. Unless we want the tags to sit there for an extended period of time cluttering up the outlines (we don't), it is up to us to fulfill those requests or attend to underlying misassumptions (if any).


 * Outline of literature - tagged as Original research
 * Outline of ancient Greece - tagged as under construction
 * '''Outline of mathematics - tagged as in need of attention from an expert
 * Outline of arithmetic - tagged as not citing any references or sources.
 * Outline of immunology - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of organic chemistry - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of psychology - tagged as in need of attention from an expert on the subject
 * Outline of family and consumer science - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of energy storage - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of nuclear technology - tagged as  an orphan
 * Outline of ergonomics - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of construction - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of machines - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of free software - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of design - tagged as containing original research or unverified claims, and needing references or sources
 * Outline of automobiles - tagged as an orphan


 * I can't stress enough the importance of watching


 * With so many outlines (now over 500), and a growing number of support pages (guidelines, wikiproject pages, etc.), I can no longer keep up. I need your help watching over it all.


 * If you'd like to omnisciently view everything "from above", see this page:


 * WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.


 * Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):


 * WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
 * WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
 * WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.


 * What's next?

There are a lot of contradictions in guidelines related to outlines. I'll be turning my attention to fixing those.

The number of "Outline of" articles is rapidly catching up to portals, and will probably pass them by the end of the summer!

Keep up the excellent work.

The Transhumanist 01:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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Brevoort Park School
Thanks for posting the photos of my old school. I spent 4 years as a student there starting the year it opened so it was interesting to run across. -- KenWalker | Talk 01:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And Queen Elizabeth II school as well, where I did grades 2-4! Did you know that that was Joni Mitchell's school as well? (Somewhat before my time though.) Masalai (talk) 07:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Martensville and Meadow Lake
Just wondering if you could help me keep an eye on these two. With the announcement that these will become cities on November 9, 2009, people are jumping the gun. I've reverted edits calling them cities... they aren't until that date. I think it's important we make sure the articles are truthful and say they are towns, until the actually become cities! --Drm310 (talk) 19:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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Great job on the Template:Indigenous Peoples of Canada Buzzzsherman (talk) 07:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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Again tks SriMesh your copy edits on First Nations and Aboriginal peoples in Canada are great, you saw the little things i dont see since i wrote it...

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Thanks
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