User talk:Srose/archive2

thanks!
I sure appreciate your comment on Talk:Benier_Koranache; I was really encouraged by your words. --Grahamtalk/mail/ e 20:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to commend you on the conversation in Talk:Benier_Koranache. It's an outstanding example of how to handle difficult interactions. Waitak 00:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA and not needing tools
Srose, let me begin by saying I'm not here to dispute your weak oppose of Stevie's RFA. I was curious, however, about a position I see frequently. RFA participants often say that someone shouldn't be made an admin b/c they don't need the tools, even though they won't abuse them, that all of the tasks they are working on can be accomplished without the bit. I've never understood it, though I may well have missed something. What's the rationale behind it? You can reply here. Thanks.--Kchase T 19:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Essentially, my rationale is that the community doesn't need to hand out tools to folks who are high quality contributors (much like Stevie - please see my excessively lengthy message on his talk page) when others who actually do admin-like jobs would like them and be more deserving of them. We already have too many admins that do not regularly use the tools.  Adminship isn't an elevated status.  Admins are merely a group of users who do extremely behind-the-scenes work: closing XfDs (see WP:AfD and its backlog - if it still has one; it changes by the hour), warning and blocking vandals (Blocking policy), reverting vandalism (administrators have a tool to revert that is much faster than any of those available to non-admins), answering newcomers' questions, deleting non-controversial pages (see WP:CSD), protecting pages that are receiving high amounts of vandalism (like Elephant, after that infamous Colbert Report), and negotiating compromises for users in conflicts.  As Stevie rarely does some of these things (and never does the rest), I just don't think he needs the mop and flamethrower.  Adminship isn't a reward for particularly good editors: it's an added list of duties for those who have experience in admin areas (XfD, WP:3O, WP:MEDCAB, vandalism) and are trusted enough by the community to have the ability to block users, delete articles, close XfDs and protect articles.  Srose   (talk)  19:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There's also JS-assisted non-admin rollback. I've been using it for a while now. Anyway, I should have been more specific, but I think it's just because we disagree. To me, it seems like an inefficient use of community time to evaluate a candidate and then not give them the tools because they will rarely use them, even though they will not abuse them. Perhaps the reason for such voting is more global: to discourage RFAs from good editors who don't need the tools and thereby encourage RFAs from folks who are more keen to help with our backlogs?--Kchase T 20:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That last sentence is exactly it, boiled down to a drop. I guess I went on a bit long, huh?  Well, in any case, I imagine Stevie's RfA will succeed, just looking at the pattern thus far, and I wish him all the best of luck.  I would like to see more candidates who are intent on helping behind the scenes with backlogs, etc., because essentially, that's the entire difference between an admin and a regular, registered user.  Srose   (talk)  20:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think Stevie's going to get the flamethrower. Thanks for the dialogue, Srose.--Kchase T 20:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ack, I was just about to add a PS, and it appears we edit-conflicted. Anyway, the PS was:  I use JS rollbacks too, but the admin version compresses several of the steps, so it's faster and easier.  Nice chatting with you, too.  If you ever need anything, my door's open! :)  Srose   (talk)  20:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay!
Thanks for the brownies. Even though I'm on a "diet", I find that eating a picture of brownies on my computer screen doesn't add too many calories. :) Let me know if I can do any admin-ish thing for you! -- Aguerriero  ( talk ) 19:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much
Thank you very much for the comment as well as the explanation on the Calvary Church article. I am amazed at how quickly things get done on wikipedia! One question, does wikipedia have any kind of spell check feature (I know that I am going to need it). Thebigaster 22:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.
Hey, thanks for the cookies and the good advice. As well as the suggestions. I am a little new, and if I make some more valuable edits, maybe I will qualify. Again, thanks. --imdanumber1 22:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

NawlinWiki's RfA nom
It was my pleasure. He's an incredible user, and he absolutely deserves the title and the tools. -- Kicking222 22:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Well deserved  -- Samir   धर्म 00:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Painting
I was, we went in because of the heat and lunch. It's starting to get shady so I'll probably go out again. Yank sox  16:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll e-mail you all the details. Yank  sox  16:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Give me half an hour, I'm going off line. Yank  sox  16:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!
I appreciate your warm welcome, and I look forward to participating in the Wikipedia project. I'm about to upload my first entry, so I'm sure I'll have some input from a number of people (hopefully you included!).

Cheers, Goinhome50 22:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

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Bias
Why do you find a particular article nominated for deletion as an "excellent nomination...quite exemplary..."?

Do you like seeing articles being put up for deletion? I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be a place where people would add articles, not nominate everything in sight for deletion...  Raccoon Fox • Talk • Stalk''' 21:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Because the nomination was well done and thought out. That doesn't mean she likes to see everything deleted. Yank  sox  21:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC) Aww :)
 * Wow. I was just drafting my reply.  I copied it and somehow lost it after my computer "illegal op'ed" following that edit conflict.  Anyway, the gist of it was that I'm glad to see a nomination that says more than "Fails WP:BIO".  I commended the nominator because s/he put a lot of time and effort into the nomination and didn't just stick it up there.  Personally, I believe that since articles take an extraordinary amount of time and effort to write, anyone who wishes to nominate an article for deletion should put a great deal of effort into their nomination.  Srose   (talk)  21:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks for making my day, btw. Yank sox  18:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I am on my e-mail, I'm waiting for you. Yank  sox  18:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Lilli Promet
I've edited out the Lilli Promet link (it's still there, but encoded), because it doesn't link to the Lilli Promet profile on imdb. You linked to profile number 181237, which is a certain Rolando Cortegiani. Lilli Promet's link is 1818237. I'll fix it right away. Aecis AppleknockerFlophouse 21:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Darn it - I had the correct number written down (copy and paste is acting funny). Argh.  Thanks! :)  Srose   (talk)  21:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Questions
Hello Srose. I would normally post this on your editor review, but you seem to have closed it so I will ask you here. I know that Yanksox is your boyfriend, but what will you do if you break up with him? Will you both be able to continue a positive working relationship? I have seen some fights on Wikipedia that were influenced by events occuring away from Wikipedia. I just wanted to make sure that you will not have that problem. Thank you and have a nice day.-- C hi  li  14  00:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think my editor review is closed... it might have been taken off the main page but I don't plan to close it for quite some time. I'm very pleased with the feedback I've been getting.


 * First of all, let me thank you for taking the time to review me! :)


 * Next, I'll address your concern. Yanksox and I have been dating for over two years now and over that period of time, we've developed a very good friendship beneath a very strong romantic relationship.  I imagine that in the very unlikely case that we do part ways, the friendship would hold firm.  In any case, I certainly would not hold a grudge against him (and even if I did, I wouldn't vent it here).  I would never let the quality of Wikipedia suffer from the termination of any of my various relationships (with family, friends, and of course, Yanksox himself).  I might take a break for my personal benefit, but I would not resort to squabbling at Wikipedia: it would accomplish nothing (everything would be reverted), and this is a public venue rather than the private one I require for discussing private, personal matters.  I try to keep my "real" life and my "Wiki" life as separate as possible, although certainly I always go to my Yanker of Oxen (ask Crzrussian) for advise or help in handling vandalism first.  I hope this answers your question!  Srose   (talk)  02:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:ER
I'm putting myself on Editor review - feel free to comment! --TheM62Manchester 23:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Bake away!
Bake away! I'll take my chances. I can get chips ahoy here in Indonesia. But seldom bother. On a diet now: no cookies. I have often used Wikipedia to get info about something, and have always found that the little bit of knowledge I did get was a lot better than the nothingness I knew before. I am pleased that Wikipedia exists - I've encouraged my English students to use it. I have been a Muslim for 10 years now, and am currently writing a book about Islam in Indonesia. I found some stuff in the Wikipedia pages that was useful and so ended up looking at more and more. But the more I read of the discussion pages, the more I began to wonder about how Wikipedia can exist with all of the differing views that people have about religion. Some of the content in the pages about Islam is enough to give me a headache. Some of it is quite surprising for me, and I wonder whether the authors really want to inform others, or just present their own personal opinions in opposition to mainstream views? I am still learning about the editing process, but after I get the hang of it, I may dive in and completely change some paragraphs to make them more user friendly. I have taught dozens of new Muslims and so (hopefully) I have a good idea of what people are looking for in terms of answers when they type in a word like “Islam” or “Koran”. Unfortunately, there is so much “scholarly” information on some of the pages that the whole process seems more to turn lay people away. A lot of it should be moved to specialist pages where people who want in depth views can get them. E.g. if a person wants to know about the Qur'an then they are not asking for a lesson in Arabic at the same time and shouldn’t be given one. If a person looks in an encyclopedia then they want brevity and clarity in the space of a few paragraphs. How can you deliver that when every guy with a keyboard seems intent on throwing in his two cents worth? I am interested to get involved for the sake of “knowledge” itself, but already I am starting to feel that the whole process of having to constantly check that what I contribute hasn’t been deleted by someone else of unknown religion will lead me to give up in despair. How do you cope with giving knowledge and then having others (perhaps far less knowledgeable) change what you wrote each week? Any suggestions? Or should I just give up now and stick to writing my own book? (Iqraboy 17:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC))

Could never get me down!
No really its true! Im just happy some people (such as the 6 that voted in favour and most of the neutrals) have said nice things :D. I guess i was almost testing the water and the fact that most people are opposing or going neutral based on my lack of time here means in the future if someone nominates me (I doubt I will self-nom again) I will get much more support. But for the polls are evil issue it may have been a no consensus rather than a fail. Thanks for your supportive words / offer and the same goe to you in return :D see you around --Errant Tmorton166(Talk)(Review me) 21:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Detroit Buildings Wikiproject
Should i start a Detroit Buildings Wikiproject? If so, would you be willing to join and assist me in it?  Raccoon Fox • Talk • Stalk''' 03:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Editor review
I'm on editor review now; see Editor review/TheM62Manchester for more details! Feel free to comment! --TheM62Manchester 11:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

You may have your first impersonator...
...unless you made a sock. No contributions yet, but we'll keep an eye out! Teke ( talk ) 05:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It was very serendipitous. Scott5114 told me about this, which I fixed.  I then got reverted then unreverted by Bradcis.  So I checked his contributions, and saw welcome.  Wikipedia is at its most cool when stuff like that happens.   Teke ( talk ) 17:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

younger wikipedians
Hi Sable (I'm going to call you by your real name, this username business is so stuffy :) ), I've been spending some time browsing through old WP:ANI pages, and came across quite a few discussions where older users have definite issues with younger Wikipedians. I personally agree with you, and that these younger users need mentoring and coaching on how to edit in a helpful manner (even if their contributions are slightly inappropriate, in which case they need even more intensive assistance). It might even be quite an educational experience for some of them, learning how to write in the encyclopedic style, do their own research, etc. Just to let you know that if you think something like this should be done, I would be more than happy to take part. Oh, and if you're online now, sorry if I don't reply quickly, I'm off to dinner in a sec :) Cheers, &mdash; riana_dzasta &bull; t &bull; c &bull; e  &bull; ER &bull; 10:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, I understand the concerns. Ta for informing me about that. Hopefully it will go somewhere, although I'm not sure whether we have a very strong case, considering all the nasty people out there on the net (and, dare I say it, possibly Wikipedia... who can really tell?) Well, thanks, and keep me posted if anything develops! &mdash; riana_dzasta &bull; t &bull; c &bull; e  &bull; ER &bull; 12:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, it's such a shame, considering Wikipedia is such a great educational tool – ignoring, for a second, IP addresses, edit wars and Dungeons and Dragons-cruft – and young people should have the right to feel safe and welcomed here. It would be nice to able to change older editors' perceptions about young Wikipedians, but it's so hard to teach an old dog new clichés :) Oh well, whatever it is won't happen in a day, so I guess we should just wait it out and see what the higher-ups think. &mdash; riana_dzasta &bull; t &bull; c &bull; e  &bull; ER &bull; 13:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That would certainly solve a lot of problems – and not just on Wikipedia! :) &mdash; riana_dzasta &bull; t &bull; c &bull; e  &bull; ER &bull; 13:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Editor review
Thanks for the comments! As it is, I am updating the encyclopedia with obscure but interesting facts on things. As for the sockpuppet tagging, it's a routine task that has to be done! --TheM62Manchester 13:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Teke's RfA thanks
Thank you for your support of my RfA, which has passed with a final tally of 76/1/1. With this overwhelming show of support and approval I am honored to serve Wikipedia in the task charged to me and as outlined in my nomination. Happy editing to you! Teke ( talk ) 17:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look if you have time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Barefact

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wr3
Take my warning off if you want and just leave yours look like you have 67.34.129.166 in your sights. All the best Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 19:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Good stuff!! I'm gonna give him a test 4 then AIV unless yer an admin and want to do the honours, Right tin hats back on, back to the trench and give the enemy a bloody nose sir.... maam! Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 19:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Trust me the cats don't care, or they are that nonchalant they pretend they don't care. just please don't drink whilst laughing it makes a mess of the keyboard. Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 19:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Awwww shucks. Right back into the fray, got a racist vandal to deal with and see a test 4 in the making, If you haven't already get yersel loaded up with vandal proof. Makes getting vandals as easy as bombing house flys with napalm, anyway enough of the war analogies have fun.
 * P.S. f you do go up fer your Rfa, give me a shout and I'll repay the favour. Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 19:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * On a serious note, I admire some of the admins Vsmith, etc but when I read the Rfa statements by some people proposed it makes me cringe. To some of them they think it a PS2/3 game "Lets catch the vandals" where as to me it about the wikipedia info. Alot of them forget the amount of information and learning there is there, and without wanting to sound like a geek, it's one of the better things the t'interweb has been used for. They think it's all about having a pretty user page and having wiki mates. I dunno if I could do the fawning, creepingness the alot do to get there adminship, whereas I'm a tad blunt ;) I won't be up for mine for quite a long time yet, gimme another 10,000 edits. Anyway I'll get off my soapbox and let you get on. Traa Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 19:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Smile


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Hiya its Tromsgirl, How do I withdraw my Apllication for RFA ? I shall remove it, I understand what your saying :-) Thanks for the ip too its much appreciated :-)

Thankyou for your advice, Much Appreciated :-) I Have put on that i wish to be withdrawn from RFA. Have a good day :-)

(Tromsogirl 14:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for the heads up, I closed it. Just for future notice if this comes up again: for truly uncontroversial closes where the user has withdrawn, any editor can just follow the steps at the bottom of WP:BUR that bureaucrats use to place the proper closing templates. But if you'd rather have someone "official" do it, I don't mind either. - Taxman Talk 15:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me!
Thank you for your warm welcome. I enjoyed the cookies! Slackbuie 19:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

RFA
There was a misunderstanding of question #1. I thought this was in addition to the tasks I stated above. I clarified a bit and hope you reconsider. Morphh 20:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the nice comments and cookies. :-)  I took a look at the AWB again - when I first looked at this, admin rights were required but now you can apply to use it.  So, I've applied.  :-)  I'm also looking for the bot that you mentioned that would add tags to particular categories.  This would be very helpfull in my projects.  I did not know that such a request could be made and I was doing everything by hand.  After understanding that I can accomplish these tasks without being an administrator, I'm glad that the nomination worked out the way it did.  For the time, I'd rather be working on articles.  Thanks Again Morphh 16:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find the bot that you mentioned. Could you point me in the right direction?  Thanks Morphh 20:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp

 * Take good care of Nick. Thanks for the really nice cake photo. So, when's the RfA coming? alpha Chimp  laudare 05:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

afd Brandon_Academy_Private_School
Articles_for_deletion/Brandon_Academy_Private_School I have added a link to another article of this smart series. There is a wikipedia policy: Do not do edit in highly emotional state. That's smart too. User:Yy-bo 19:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well i am sorry, it turns out this editor (see afd discussion) is not the creator of the school article. I have taken a look at WP:SCH, in these terms the article is rather substanceless. I do not really bother if it stays, just looking for the opinion of others. Nomination for afd does not result in immediate deletion. User:Yy-bo 19:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article certainly fails WP:SCH. That's why I've voiced my opinion that it should be deleted.  I know that the nomination doesn't result in an automatic deletion (I'm very active in WP:AFD as well as WP:MFD).  This debate should last at least five days, and I believe the article will be deleted as non-notable.  Have a good day!  Srose   (talk)  19:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Ehhhh
Should I point you to WP:MoS? :P Yank  sox  14:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Um, I was joking considering you are a good writer. Yank  sox  14:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Oi oi
Corporal Rose, Where the hell have you been haven't seen many reverts from you recently, your slacking letting the side down and a disgrace pull yourself together and get to it. Obergruppenführer Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 19:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC) p.s. Sorry bored.


 * Unlucky! It was quiet earlier on, hence the message, but now the loonies are out in force again. I'll do about another 40 mins before I hit my bed, and work again in the morn. oops just see I havea vandla message on my talk page gorra run. Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 21:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

JPD's RfA
Thanks, Srose, for your support at my RfA, which finished with a tally of 94/1/0. I hope I live up to the confidence you have shown in me in my activities as an administrator. JPD (talk) 15:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

merge is fine with me but the other article is mostly cribbed.

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You're welcome. It's nice to be able to be helpful! - Nunh-huh 22:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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Regarding your RfA voting
Hey, I just wanted to tip my hat to you. I was lurking around the RfA pages and I saw your comments in and surrounding your oppose vote at Requests for adminship/Carnildo 3. I think you handled yourself gracefully under fire and I admire your honest, transparent, measured response to Sam Korn.  Big Nate 37 (T) 17:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC) 

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I second that. Sorry you had to face that, but you handled it very well. Classy work. &mdash; riana_dzast a  wreak havoc''' 02:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * * blushes, or tries to blush but fails, very brown* &mdash; riana_dzast a  wreak havoc''' 02:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've just checked it out. Ditto BigNate37. Tyrenius 01:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Pleasure
I think it is important to maintain standards of civility, which can be easily overlooked, sometimes by people who should know otherwise... Tyrenius 02:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Go raibh maith agat!
Hi there, Srose!

Thank you so much for supporting my RfA! It ended up passing and I'm rather humbled by the support (and a bit surprised that it was snowballed a day early!). Please let me know if I can help you out and I welcome any comments, questions, or advice you wish to share.

Sláinte!

P.S. I'm looking forward to your own RfA in the (hopefully) near future!  hoopydink Conas tá tú? 09:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarah Ewart's RfA
Hey there Srose! My jaw just hit the floor when Mcginnly threw in the oppose to that wonderful editor. I have to be careful of what I say here. Who is this piece of %*#$? That person hasn't been here that long from what I have seen on his/her page. Is this user a troll? That's just wicked! If I had the power, I would wipe that comment out. Wow.... goes to show it takes all kinds. Give my best to Yanksox. JungleCat   talk / contrib  23:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Mcginnly has made over 6000 edits and is working to a very high standard which is to be admired. The above comments are no doubt well meant, but nevertheless completely unwarranted and should be withdrawn unreservedly. Tyrenius 06:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * My response to this is here. Cheers! JungleCat    talk / contrib  13:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)