User talk:Sswonk/Archives/2008

Boswash
Cheers to you, sir, for one of the most bizarrely fine edits to a Wikipedia article I've ever seen. You began by making an inflammatory statement that I figured I'd surely need to revert, then managed to so entirely change the meaning of that statement as to bring up a subtle point of great significance to the article that was not previously mentioned and that I had never even thought of. Terrific! Korossyl (talk) 06:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Route 99
Unfortunately, I'm not from the area so you probably know much more about the road than I do, even if you've been away for a while. Your draft looks good to me so please do go ahead and change the article. There are only like three people actively adding content to the MA highway articles so I don't think you'll run into any problems making massive changes to these articles. Also, excellent work with the maps! --Polaron | Talk 16:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Late reply
See WP:ENGVAR. It explains the whole "British spelling/grammar for all British/Australian/New Zealand/Canadian/South African basically every English speaking country on Earth minus the U.S. articles" and "American english/grammar for all American articles" rules. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 01:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Ga_user.png listed for deletion
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RFC on Image:InvitationIndependenceDayGreenwichCT06201825.jpg
My opinion is the image is in the public domain for both age of the source material and also lack of any creative element. I would probably reclassify the image as PD-ineligible. Attribution of the image to E-bay is probably incorrect. Just because the image appeared on E-bay does not make E-bay the source of the image. The source would more accurately be the Purdy family or the engraver. Whether it has any value in the article is another point, but that should be discussed on the article's talk page. -Regards Nv8200p talk 03:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Massachusetts Route 62 map
Thanks for the input.- Is it possible in QGIS to define the dimensions of the saved image? Or do I have to resize manually? --Schzmo (talk) 18:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Text editor
For the sake of comparison at the VP discuss, could you post an image of a text editor looking at a page with an infobox? - Taj Mahal would do. Cheers, --Joopercoopers (talk) 00:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thx Swonk --Joopercoopers (talk) 01:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up
I've replied to your note in what I realized afterwards is Quiddity's talk page. But the reply fits there, almost. :-/ - Denimadept (talk) 16:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

re: template
The template followed the crusty/crufty bits which were weasel worded pov. I was riled enough to tag the junk. as long as the unencyclopedic "yuck" is gone the template can go. Unless it can be applied to other unreferenced "opinion" parts. Your call. Thanks for the follow-up. Libs 01:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I hate "in pop culture" and "trivia" sections. Libs 01:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Bad form
Bad form swonk. Are the opposes to oppose again? Better to leave the original proposal in place and restate another for consideration, that way things won't get mixed up again. regards --Joopercoopers (talk) 00:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No - unfortunately we have a frankly shite debating vehicle (talk pages)- refactoring the top of a debate after people have contributed reads with considerable incomprehension to the late comer - start a new section and start again avoids all that. please. --Joopercoopers (talk) 00:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your note. - At this point, it would probably be simplest to just drop the idea of adding anything to the guideline (to avoid instruction-creep, essentially), because if the language is full of caveats, then it will be unclear to anyone who wasn't involved in this particular instance.

Plus, if the hiding-div code is properly understood by all to be a potentially-problematic solution, and isn't likely to spread everywhere immediately, that lessens the need to rapidly caution against it. (The fact that it was happily removed from Cellini Salt Cellar is worth noting.) That all sound reasonable? -- Quiddity (talk) 17:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

66.66 IPs MOS violations
Please undo all or most of changes from August 30, 2008 by adding blue, white N,S,W,E plates on icon shields. This is violation of WP:ELG, and he should not make this changes until he discuss over at WT:ELG.-- I-405 ( Free way) 00:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Curly quotes
Sswonk: See my comments in support of your desire to use curly quotes here on MOS. I think you have the right idea. Greg L (talk) 01:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That’s OK, don’t be afraid to speak what you truly believe. We can’t have WP:OWN problems in a style-guide. Your 2¢ is valuable. Damn, that’s so easy (2¢) on a Mac. Greg L (talk) 02:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Fore River Shipyard
Please forgive me for running amok with your white space edits. I have finished the material I wanted to add, if you care to take another try at improvements. Thewellman (talk) 22:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Tenacity
Sorry, Sswonk, for dragging you deeper into that curly-quote issue further than you wanted to go by quoting you. It’s nice that you had such a complementary and benign meaning to the adjective, “tenacious.” It is a great word because it has so many connotations, such as the Herpes Resource Center, which states that “…herpes simplex 2, is a stronger unit, is more tenacious, virulent, and strikes back, more often, so to speak.” So many connotations. Greg L (talk) 22:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Apology is not needed. The tenacity you exhibit is appreciated as well. Sswonk (talk) 22:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which :) I didn't participate in the discussions over the short-and-curlies, but reading through, it looks like it was you and Greg in favor.  Greg doesn't want to push for it at this time; did any of the arguments on the other side persuade you, Sswonk?  I lean towards a guideline that says use straight quotes, myself. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 03:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The use of typographic quotes in publications and static electronic media is standard. It is not simply something I support in those contexts; it is the correct character glyph usage. My initial observation on the issue was not meant to "take sides". I gave my 2¢ on the differences between Macintosh and Windows key combination requirements for implementing typographic quotes, and soon thereafter answered a couple of questions about the reasons that Macintosh users may more strongly support typographic standards, and what those standards are. I never really meant to force the issue, only to make thoughtful contributions to the thread.
 * Greg rekindled the argument several days after I made my observations, and then notified me on my talk asking for additional comment. I responded to him on his talk suggesting that pushing for a change in the standard would be a losing battle, based both on the consensus and on the "relentless" style of a prime mover on the subject, SMcCandlish. After Greg responded, I took a second look at his proposal regarding "mature" articles and decided to lend my support even though I had warned him that it probably wouldn't fly. My suspicions were confirmed and reasonable arguments for the status quo prevailed with the consensus being in opposition to Greg's proposal. Then, a ridiculous edit war ensued. You would be correct in saying User:Fnagaton was "in favor", based on the edit history since I made my final MoS talk page statement on 2008-09-18. Then, User:Yecril snuck in a change that apparantly no one noticed, removing the "exclusive use of straight quotes and apostrophes is recommended" phrase in this diff. Ironically, that change stood for over three days until SMcCandlish reverted it while I was typing this response.
 * My final statement remains my position on the matter, and I am using typewriter quotes in all edits. Fighting over it is not recommended. The encylopedia is organic, not a finished product ever by its nature as a wiki, so my original comment about which style is correct for publications and static electronic media does not apply. Greg had an admirable idea, but ultimately I don't see it as being practical for wiki editorial purposes. Sswonk (talk) 08:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's an amazingly helpful answer, thanks! I'll point people here if they want to know the state of the argument. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 12:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

West Virginia interstates
Which sign drawing is right? 1994 or 2005?-- Freeway 9  1  21:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2005, and also ask the WP:WVR for guidance. Sswonk (talk) 23:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Re WT:USRD
I have sent you an email. --Rschen7754 (T C) 08:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Or not, apparently it won't let me... --Rschen7754 (T C) 08:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Noting a bug
Hello there! Thanks for that. Despite me being immensely proud of my user page, I'm afraid I've just "borrowed" parts from others that I liked, and pieced them together. I'm not entirely sure as to how to fix the bug.

Is it major? If you think there's a quick fix, I don't mind you going for it. I'm using Internet Explorer on a PC with a 17" TFT screen. :S --Jza84 | Talk  00:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Woah! Thanks for that! It does look terrible! I had no idea. I'm not very strong on thing like tables and the various formatting languages etc, and I think it shows. Thing is, I wouldn't know where to start to fix it! But thanks for taking a look at this! --Jza84 | Talk  11:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Link Guidelines
Thanks for your help Sswonk. The guideline usage you explained certainly makes sense and I appreciate Wikipedia protecting content for users. We will remove the links we have added. Have a good night.(Mja butterfly (talk) 04:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC))

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Thumbnail photos in lieu of bullets
I'd like to re-start the discussion about thumbnail photos in lieu of bullets on the MOS:ICONS page. I would be happy to go along with the WP:Consensus after a thorough discussion there. What say you? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We should keep it at the lists talk page per Collectonian. At this point, moving it will only serve to confuse late comers. Sswonk (talk) 13:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

That suits me. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Route 40
Hello, I reverted all my changes that said that these two intersect and I'm not going to argue with the redirect thing so I undid that too (I usually leave redirects but this was a case where the articles were batch moved, creating the redirects). I think the situation is likely as you describe. I know that Vinal Sq has signs for "To Rt 110" which is about 4 miles away in Lowell. So, my guess is that the sign does say Princeton St is Route 3A/Route 4, but it may be incorrect. That stretch of road before the beginning of North St may only have the signs for 3A along its length - gotta check. I'll detour through there on my way to work today. If it does not say "to Rt 4," then what is the correct thing to do? I always figured the closeness in numbers between 4 and 40 was no accident... Thanks, CSZero (talk) 14:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind the Route 4/40 stuff entirely :-) The intersection in Vinal Sq. actually signs Princeton St as "Rt 3A to Rt 3."  No mention of Route 4, which is sort of silly because the intersection where 4 begins, it's set up so the main flow of traffic leaves Princeton St and 3A to go on Rt 4, and Rt 4 goes to Drum Hill Rotary where you can get on US-3.  Coming in the other direction, Rt 4 is signed off Drum Hill as North Chelmsford, and then again, you are not well warned that 4 is ending and you are merging onto 3A when you merge with Princeton I don't think.  So, I will leave all of my reversions in place and thanks for the heads up and sorry for the mess! CSZero (talk) 15:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Led Zep
I don't have much time or enthusiasm for editing at the moment, but at a glance it seems to read a lot like WP:Proseline at times - ideally this could be ironed out. Also, make sure all your references are formatted properly (author date title url publisher accessdate, etc.). Just a few things at a glance... Giggy (talk) 00:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Tabbed Pages
I started a discussion of sorts here - contributions and debate are welcome although I'm rather waiting for the cabal to stop its ridiculous persecution of Giano before resuming full time editing. --Joopercoopers (talk) 18:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Tools
Useful checking tool. Do you know another tool which can check within markup text for certain words strings with varibales such as {{# etc? Google can only do the published text and the wikipedia search engine no longer seems to show up the mark-up texts like it used to do before. MegX (talk) 05:22, 10 December 2008 (UTC)