User talk:StNicolo

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Hey Jim, I have read a lot of this information already and I don't believe I've made any mistakes. You site my article as vanity and advertisement, but it is not vanity or an advertisement, it is information and a biography regarding the artist. Please review the article. It was not completed and I simply published it to save the work I had done, I haven't submitted it yet. I am writing this wikipeda page so the artist may add it to their spotify profile and to help them further establish themselves. Please review the article and give me any information on errors or corrections I may need. I thought I was within the guidelines and very factual with what I had written so far, even though I hadn't proof read it fully yet and was still in the process of working on the page to be submitted. I wasn't done fully referencing or adding all of my sources before you deleted the page. If you read the page you can see multiple facts and information regarding the artist and their family history. The page does not have eccentric writing and simply stays in the bounds of delivering facts on the artists life. I understand how it may appear, but it is simply an additional enclyopedic page for Wikipedia on the artist St. Nic/person as there is not one yet, thank you for understanding and taking the time to respond and review the page. StNicolo (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * A few things to note here:


 * Wikipedia is about notable topics - those that are of interest to the world at large and over a period of time.
 * A topic is considered notable if it has already gained significant attention from multiple reliable sources that are independent of the topic.
 * Reliable sources are sources with an established reputation for fact-checking and editorial oversight. Independent sources are sources with no personal or financial interest in the subject under discussion.
 * Self-published sources like social media and blogs are considered unreliable sources.
 * The notability criteria for musicians are further refined at WP:MUSICBIO. An artist must already be notable to be included; we do not allow articles for "up-and-coming" or "emerging" musicians.
 * "... add it to their spotify profile and to help them further establish themselves ..." sounds like someone who is trying to use Wikipedia to achieve notability. This is promotion and publicity, one of many things Wikipedia does not allow.
 * --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 13:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

help me

Thank you for your insight, but this page is not to achieve further notability. It is to provide additional information for the artist. Yes, a Wikipedia page does further establish the artist naturally, but we are trying to establish the artist's history and lifetime which is why we are working to add the artist's information to Wikipedia, but it is only in the sense to illuminate the history of the artist for fans and those that are interested. The artist gains no advertisements or additional views from Wikipedia, the traffic towards Wikipedia would come from the artist's own fans and people already interested in the artist. No one from Wikipedia is going to look up the artist without knowing who it is, to begin with. So "trying to use Wikipedia to 'achieve' notability' is a stretch. I am submitting the information to establish the artist's history, sorry if I wasn't specific on that. If you review the artist's page thus far it was simply a summary of their history and I was at the point of adding their discography and more before my draft was deleted. I wasn't done adding the proper sources or information yet before it was swiftly deleted and improperly listed as advertisement and vanity. StNicolo (talk) 13:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for message. You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~. Please add your messages to the bottom of the talk page, or they may be overlooked.

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When you save an edit, it is effectively published and must meet our criteria, even if not submitted for review.

Italian Wikipedia is independent of the English version and has less strict rules.

You have an obvious conflict of interest, please don't write about yourself, your friends or relatives and read the guidance below:
 * When you write about a musician, you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that they meet the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the person or an associated organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the person claims or interviewing them. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.


 * You gave three references, as bare urls, but they did not appear to mention Nicolo as far as I could see, despite him being the subject of the article. They also do not seem to be independent of his family.
 * What you had written seemed to be about his ancestors, which is completely irrelevant, and where he has lived and studied, which is just background. If he meets our notability criteria that I've linked above, you should be telling us, with independent verifiable sources, about his awards, national chart placing and mentions in hard media. Instead you say he watched 9/11, which isn't a criterion for notability as a musician or anything else.


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Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article and writing about yourself.

Since your text had no real facts, evidence of notability or proper refs, the article really needs to be written from scratch if he's genuinely notable, but that shouldn't be you since you are discouraged from writing about yourself Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:59, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Reply to Jim User:Jimfbleak
I was in the middle of editing the page and adding several sources among other things. It is a draft page, I simply saved it so that I would not lose my work in case of a power outage or perhaps someone turning my computer off as I have a showing today. Thanks for letting me know I shouldn't add any links into the article, but I was having trouble referencing to the Italian website with, if you have any information on how I can do that I'd appreciate that. I know my sourcing wasn't full, but I wasn't finished adding sources and putting down the information. Also I did not use any copyrighted material, I have written everything myself. Thank you for checking my sources and verifying my work, I appreciate your help in this effort and I hope I can create an article that meets wikipedia's standards. I'm sorry for adding links to my articles, I am a new poster and I was trying to reference things properly. Thanks again for your help. Also the surname is Fusato, the artist is a descendent of the Fusatos who are already notable in history and in connection with the sources I have posted. Is it not enough that he is also a descendent of other prominent figures in Italian/Venetian culture? Or must I give further sources to validate these claims, I'm guessing you guys don't believe what I've written since I cannot give you a birth certificate or some article written up that claims St.Nic Nicolo Fusato as a descendent and connection to these people.

Working with the artist Laioung and RRR they are notable in Italy serves to fulfill this on the English website I hope, correct me if I'm wrong.

6. Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.[note 5] This should be adapted appropriately for the musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g. musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them.) StNicolo (talk) 14:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

User:Jimfbleak User:jimfbleak you deleted an unfinished draft page, it wasn't submitted, it showed up no where on the internet or on search engines. I was in the middle of finishing my work and I'd like to get back to it as soon as possible. You keep throwing references at me that I needed to give sources and all this other stuff, but you seem to forget that this is an unfinished page I am writing for the artist St. Nic. Also, since you are so keen on suggesting that I am the artist writing this article, can you provide me with sources to your claim detailed in Wikipedia formatting with references to your source, please and thank you. My username isn't a valid reference as there aren't any verifiable sources for you to make such a claim besides your broad guestimation. User:jimfbleak What makes you so sure that I am the artist writing this? Also how can you be so adamant on me giving sources and making sure everything is correct and in order on an unfinished draft. It's a draft page because it is unfinished work, drafts are used so that you can work on something freely without publishing it. I was literally in the process of adding sources and information before you deleted it and the only reason I haven't continued is for fear that I've bumped into the front desk manager before I even set foot through the door or even made a call. If you want to judge my article so harshly, I'd suggest you wait until I'm actually done with it or submit it for a review. Not as I'm creating the post and adding references.

how do you report an abusive administrator? — Preceding unsigned comment added by StNicolo (talk • contribs) 15:41, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The answer to your question can be found at Admin abuse. 78.28.44.187 (talk) 16:02, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * It's pretty common for someone to create a username that's more closely related to their subject than to themselves, but we usually treat that as evidence of "autobiography" and try to nip the problem in the bud. If you are not writing about yourself or someone with whom you have a connection, you can simply explain the mistake and perhaps prevent future problems by changing your username.
 * If you think you're being unfairly treated by an administrator, the first step is to explain your unhappiness to that administrator. I think you've done that here, but I'm not sure you are listening to their responses.
 * All material on Wikipedia, even in drafts, is subject to at least some of the rules. In particular, unsourced material about a living person is frequently challenged and removed. If you don't put down your sources first, or at least simultaneously, with what you write about a person, you'll run into this problem occasionally. Material that appears to be purely promotional in intent (sometimes a subjective judgment, I admit) is also subject to removal.
 * If you still think you are being treated abusively, there is a place to report it: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents but you need to provide solid evidence that there is a behavioral problem worth doing something about rather than a simple misunderstanding of the rules.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 16:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks . StNicolo, if you use his name, declare a conflict of interest and tell us about his toddler years, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that you are him. If you say that you are not him, I accept that, but I think that you need to clarify the nature of your conflict of interest especially if you have a financial interest, I'll post some info after this message. jmcgnh has explained the process to report me, but you are required to notify me if you do so, and you will need to present specific examples, with linked diffs, rather than vague accusations.


 * You say that you are not him, but that you have a conflict of interest. Thank you for declaring that. However, if you work directly or indirectly for him or an associated organisation, or otherwise are acting on his behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. If you are paid directly or indirectly by the person you are writing about, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:    . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message. Also read the following regarding writing an article


 * Jimfbleak - talk to me?  17:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I forgot to say that having notable ancestors or collaborators doesn't make him notable, he has to be notable in his own right Jimfbleak - talk to me?  17:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Reply to User:Jimfbleak User:jmcgnh User talk:78.28.44.187
Thank you for your help in this matter. I appreciate your time and advice on the subject. I understand the scrutiny and why you'd assume I am the artist, but I was offered payment to do this and information on what to write and sources. If what you have all told me is correct, I'd need more credible sources besides his family's websites/businesses and connections to source material from. They do have extensive family history written on their website and articles in blogs, but most of the documents regarding Queen Elizabeth and other things like that are pretty hard to find as these are from newspapers in the 1920s~30s, much of which hasn't been uploaded or posted online. The information I wrote was information detailing a small amount of his background and heritage as a tiny introduction, but if it is too much for an artist I understand. I was simply trying to follow a format of a popular article and post in a similar biographical fashion. Also I hadn't gotten to the point of listing many sources yet, I was sourcing as I was going and hadn't gotten to any of his music, collaborations or achievements yet so I wasn't able to source or reference that stuff yet. Though I'm thinking according to user:jimfbleak I'll need other published forms and articles to represent sources about St. Nic. It seems Wikipedia prefers to have textually published content and documents for sources over sources of media such as videos, credits, or documentaries. So I'll discuss this with him and we'll work on getting more published content or at least a published biography/interview before we post one on Wikipedia. Thank you again! I'll do more work on this and present an updated article with better sourcing next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StNicolo (talk • contribs) --StNicolo (talk) 20:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you. Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

More info
You've had a lot of information given to you, which can be overwhelming. I don't want to overload you, but I think there are a few other things I should point out.

--Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) As mentioned before, you must openly disclose who is paying you for your work here. This is part of Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure policy. I see you already have the  template on your userpage, but in the case of paid editing, that isn't quite enough. Replace it with the  template and that will satisfy that requirement.
 * 2) Assuming an article you create is accepted, your client(s) should understand that they won't have ownership or control over the article's content. Articles can be edited by anyone, and can change over time, perhaps substantially.
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 * 4) Sources don't have to be online to be accepted! Offline sources such as printed journals, newspapers, books and magazines are perfectly acceptable if you can provide important details such as the author, publication name, publisher name, date of publication, page number(s), ISBN, etc. The more detail, the better.
 * 5) Video references can be used, as long as they meet the reliable source criteria. YouTube is a little more complicated, because most content on YouTube is self-published with no editorial oversight. If it's the official account of an agency or organization that itself is generally considered reliable (e.g. the BBC), then it's acceptable.
 * Just to expand on what Drm310 has said above, you need to replace the current COI template with completed as appropriate. Although you haven't concealed your paid status, it's mandatory to make the declaration in that form, and you might be blocked as an undeclared paid editor if you don't do so Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  13:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

can't forget User:drm310
Thank you for your help as well, I couldn't find you the last time I made a post because I'm a noob haha :) <3 StNicolo (talk) 21:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)