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Image:In_my_mind.jpg is missing the mandatory detailed fair-use rationale and was being used in violation of WP:FU. The latter, I've cleared up. --Yamla 01:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Project Gender Studies
Hi Revolución, I'm asking some Project Gender Studies members for their opinions on a few changes to the project templates. The discussion is here. If you're interested please have a look. I'd also like to have the project page unprotected so it could be editted to give due balance to the Gender Theory activities of the project as well as the removal of systemic bias activities - if you have any opinions on this it's discussed here?--Cailil 01:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Race and intelligence
I noticed that you were vocal in debates about the race and intelligence articles earlier. We need your help right now. We're coming very close to revising this article to be something like neutral and only one user is standing in the way! What we need now is an overwhelming show of support from all of the people over the past few years who have complained and criticized this article. We're going to put everything in historical context, so that research some regard as "scientific racism" can't be presented as pure, unquestioned, unbiased science. This will give readers the chance to make up their mind with the appropriate context. Please stop by the talk page and read the section on "moving forward" I hope that you choose to be a part of this.

I know it may bee intimidating and time consuming to sift through all of the warning and banter on this talk page, but I think it is worth the effort. Hope to hear from you! --futurebird 03:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately there are people who love to push their own racist agendas against minorities. --Revolución  hablar    ver  02:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time &mdash; get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!

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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know. Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).
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Liberation News (Internationalist)
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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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adding a section on the "Economics of the Democratic Party"
Hi Revolucion,

Are you the main person who wrote the Democratic Party Wiki entry? If so, congratulations on gathering and organizing a lot of good information!

This is my first involvement with Wikipedia, and my very first suggestion about a page. Hope I'm doing it right.

I'm a progressive Democrat, just to let you know, and believe in balanced, useful information. I'm also a writer.

Here are a couple of things that it seems to me should be included in the DP page, because they are pretty fundamental to the history and current structure and functioning of the Party.

1. The economics of the Party. There is a perennial problem faced by the Democratic Party (and currently by Presidential candidates Clinton and Obama): if the Party's candidates or elected representatives take positions that disagree with economic interests (or their lobbies) upon which Party financing relies, then those interests are wont to retaliate by supporting more conservative Democrats and/or supporting Republicans. There is a dynamic of dependency here that very much shapes what goes on in the Dem. Party. In fact one could say that this history of the Party is a perennial balancing act between the grassroots on the one hand, and the influence of moneyed interests on the other.

There have some efforts made to reform campaign financing on both state and federal levels, and -- as both Clinton and Obama are now saying -- to rein in the influence of the lobbies. Doing so would alter the Democratic Party in fundamental ways.

2. Grassroots upsurge. In the past several years we have seen an upsurge of grassroots activity within the Party. The Party is being renewed from within. There are also grassroots activists and organizations that that ally themselves with the Party, even if they do not do so from within official structures like the Democratic clubs. E.g. Progressive Democrats of America, Democracy for America, and the many progressive blogs. This grassroots energy, much of it Internet-based, bears mentioning in a description of the Democratic Party today. I could try writing this up to update the current Wikipedia entry, but am happy to let someone else do the honor!

Any thoughts about this?

Thanks,

Raymond Barglow Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club Berkeley, CA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbarglow (talk • contribs) 16:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Notice of Inactivity
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Non-western concepts of male sexuality
I have reverted your redirection of this article. If you really think it's a "bogus article", take it to WP:AfD, where I daresay you will have at least some agreement. Redirecting it to Homosexuality (or any other article) without discussion though is inappropriate. Regards, Aleta  Sing 03:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

re-opened rating discussion
I and have reopened the discussion here []. Would you care to chime in? thanks. Smatprt (talk) 00:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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Racism in LGBT issue
Holla. I saw you worked on the Racism in the LGBT community article. I think person nicknamed Am86 is making a great effort to destroy this article. I see you probably had a possitive impact on it. I actually found it by accident, because I made the issue LGBT and multiculturalism (I was interested in that point in mutliculturalism and defining diversity and toleration in LGBT) and someone placed See also division for Racism in LGBT culture. Which was shocking for me. I changed that to Mutliculturalist attitudes in LGBT are oposite of racism in LGBT and went to see whats up with this racism article. I placed side bar discrimination but I feel like one or many persons are consistingly putting effort to make this issue sound like pro-racist. I also have found out that discriminative attituds are very common and even tolerated in English Wikipedia in many ways. Which is quite surprising for me since in other wikis thing are not in this way! I feel like Wikipedia dont have policies of anti-discriminative actions of editors and even administrators. What do ya think? --SofieElisBexter (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)