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Too soon
Your additions to Wikipedia are becoming a problem. Article for races over a month into the future, in which you are adding no significant information other than what can be gathered from existing articles, is unnecessary and unwelcomed. Adding tables and charts to seasons that do not even have a firm calendar or entry list, and does not begin for another five months, is completely useless and does not help anyone. Finally, declaring Vettel as World Champion for 2013 is not only patently false at the present time, but a complete crystal balling. Hiding your additions does not make them ok. If, and likely when, things change, most editors would not be likely to see the hidden additions already present. Please read up on WP:FUTURE before continuing editing. The359 ( Talk ) 16:21, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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Noted. I suggest thinking extremely carefully before accusing me of vandalism again. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, no problem. Be sure to look carefully though when you're making vandalism reports. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Bold question - Formula One stats wiki
hey StandNThrow,

Welcome!

I noticed you've been quite active in the Formula One and data department here. When I also noticed you seem to know a thing or two about templates, I knew I had to at least send you a message.

I have just started the [http://f1stats.wikia.com Formula 1 statistics Watill building). This wiki contains a combination of statistical articles, achievements of teams and drivers, and simple lists of data that other data enthusiasts can use for analyses. As Wikipedia aims to be a general encyclopedia, more detailed data, statistics and analyses, and certainly original research, don't really have a place here. As I think it is very interesting for Formula One Fans, I wanted to create a place where all this data can find its place on the internet.

Would you perhaps be interested in collaborating?

~cheers GameLegend (talk) 23:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello GameLegend, it have been sometime since I returned to Wikipedia. How is the site going for you? I am still able to help if you need. StandNThrow (talk) 15:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Driver confirmation
StandNThrow, I have reverted your recent edits on the 2014 Formula 1 season page listing Romain Grosjean as a driver at Lotus.

Firstly, you only need one reference when adding this content to the article. However, it has to satisfy WP:RS. Two of the references you added did not satisfy these conditions. As for the Autosport article, it made it quite clear that Grosjean only has an informal agreement with the team pending the outcome of the Quantum deal.

Your attempts at improving the article are appreciated. However, there is a minimum standard that needs to be observed. In order to be considered confirmation, the reference in question must come from a mainstream publication (like Autosport or the BBC), and it must name and quote someone within the team (in this case, Grosjean himself or Eric Boullier). Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

RB10
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Sergey Sirotkin
StandNThrow, please stop removing Sergey Sirotkin from the 2014 Formula 1 season article. The consensus among editors is that Sirotkin has the seat until proven otherwise. However much you disagree with the consensus, you have no right or power to override unless you can form a new consensus (and you will need recent, reliable sources to support it). If you continue to remove Sirotkin from the article against consensus, you can and almost certainly will be referred to the administrators for disruptive editing, in which case you may be blocked from editing. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:35, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

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Alphabetical order
Hi StandNThrow,

I have undone your most recent edits to the 2014 F1 season article where you swapped Vettel and Ricciardo about in the table. I know that this might seem like an arbitrary, cosmetic thing and that Vettel is World Champion while Ricciardo is new to the team, but there is a reason for it: we should list drivers alphabetically within their own team until an entry list is published. When that list is published, numbers are assigned, and readers can see something within the table that shows why one driver has been listed before another. Without those numbers, listing drivers any way other than alphabetically implies that there is some kind of special relationship within the team - it suggests that Vettel has some kind of rank, and maybe he does, but the team have categorically denied it.

I know, this sounds like semantics. When I first joined Wikipedia, I felt that drivers should be listed according to their time with the team. Using the above example, Vettel would have been listed first, as he had been in the team for years. What changed my mind was another editor explaining the need for a neutral point of view. Thousands of people browse Wikipedia without ever actually editing it. The way we represent information has the power to shape perceptions. It may be clear to us that Vettel gets listed before Ricciardo because he is World Champion, but is that clear to the reader, who may be someone with no knowledge of the sport? If we list Vettel first, it may imply a special relationship within the team, that he, for some unseen reason, is more important. And the reader may apply that to every team, coming to the conclusion that the driver listed first is more important than his team-mate.

In the grand scheme of things, who gets listed first is not important. What I am trying to show you is the importance of WP:NPOV, and why we have to observe it. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Prisonermonkeys Sorry. I thought the order was sorted to who got or signed the contract with the team first where obviously Vettel had the contract much earlier than Ricciardo. StandNThrow (talk) 13:14, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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As you did here [] is not really good practice as it alters the flow of a conversation.Slatersteven (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am aware of that. I have not used Wikipedia for a long time and have forgotten the proper way to reply correctly to the thread. I have corrected the error now. StandNThrow (talk) 15:04, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert: Mark Dice
Best, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 15:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Please take heed.Slatersteven (talk) 15:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)