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Pannal railway station
I'd just like to say thank you for your recent edits of Pannal railway station. Very interesting! Storye book (talk) 07:54, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for your appreciation of the edits. Stanier5mt (talk) 10:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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==Pannal==

Your edits to the Pannal article were reverted so you should have gone to the article talk page to discuss them not revert the changes. See Bold Revert Discuss cycle. Please discuss changes to this article on the talk page and gain agreement there for your changes. Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 19:03, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I requested that you discuss this on the talk page and gain agreement before including the changes. You ignored that request so I will give you a further chance to open-up a dialogue on the article talk page. If you continue to ignore this then I will have no choice but to block you for disruptive editing. Keith D (talk) 23:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous as not only are you reverting to incorrect information, after I've put in a lot of time and effort in ensuring it's correct, but now you're accusing me of being disruptive when you, yourself, never thought to refer to talk first to discuss the information before reverting the corrections. To block someone for correcting an article is verging on censorship reminiscent of a totalitarian dictatorship who don't want facts they disagree with pointed out. You have now reverted to showing totally incorrect and out of date bus transport details plus incorrect areas that can be historically ascertained from the best source of evidence available the highly accurate Ordnance Survey maps. I can't publish the maps on the page due to them being Crown Copyright. The maps of the 19th century clearly show that Spacey houses was a completely separate area from the village of Pannal. The ordnance survey were very meticulous with detail so a very good authentic source. Please note that we're talking of villages here and not parishes which are completely different (otherwise Pannal could lay historical claim to half of Harrogate, Burn Bridge, Lund House Green, etc.). Spacey Houses at the end of the 19th century consisted of the farm (currently being renovated and developed) the Auction Mart (between the farm and Folifoot Road), the Spacey Houses public house (opposite the Auction Mart), the Old Spacey House Brewery (next to the pub and opposite the farm), a row of dwellings at the top of Station Road (still extant) and next to these the Oddfellows Hall. Slightly detached from these were the row of railway cottages on the site of what is now the station overflow car park and opposite these a cottage at the top of the railway cutting. The nearest buildings of Pannal at the time was Mill Lane and apart from the railway and the station there were fields between the two distinctly separate village areas. Before the railway was built it was totally fields between Spacey Houses and Pannal villages and the line passed almost exactly half way between the two villages and as standard practice with railways the station took on the name of the largest town/village to the station. This remained so with two distinctly separate village areas until the 1920's, apart from a clubhouse being built for the golf course and the private school (now flats) on Leeds Road next to the railway, when housing developments commenced on Pannal Avenue, Hillside Road and Milton Road thus closing the gap between the village of Pannal and the railway. At Spacey Houses three dwellings were built on Station Road opposite the row of cottages and three dwellings built on the site of the Auction Mart when it moved to a location further down the Leeds Road. At the same time the Dunlopillo factory was built and that could indeed be open to debate as to being in Spacey Houses or Pannal but it's nearer to the Spacey Houses village area than the Pannal village area. The two areas were finally linked from the 1960's when dwellings were contrasted firstly in the triangle of land at Spacey Houses between the railway, Leeds Road and Pannal Bank (back of Station Road). There has also been the very large development at Spacey Houses of the Walton Park estate along with the much smaller Long Acre estate on the second Auction Mart site and in Pannal the Crimple Meadows and Roasedale estates. This has all created one large merged area consisting of Spacey Houses, Burn Bridge and Pannal. However Burn Bridge has kept it's identity as should Spacey Houses despite being what one could consider a satellite conurbation of Harrogate although that doesn't sound right to me. It is true that the Post Office (relegated recently to just a postal counter) was at once in the centre of Pannal but was then moved to the property built when there was still a bit of a separation between Spacey houses and Pannal so in effect is just in Spacey houses area but it would have been foolish to rename it as such. In a way you could also phrase it as on the edge of Pannal village. However given the historical evidence the BMW garage, the golf club and the Murco filling station are definitely in the Spacey Houses area. As to what area the ATS tyre shop, the BP & Spar garage, the furniture auction place and garden nursery is in is debatable as they could be considered as Crimple Valley. It is obvious that part of the reason for pushing the historical area of Spacey Houses back could be the fact that as both Pannal and Spacey Houses encroached each other some places got named Pannal (like the Post Office, Auction Mart and Golf Club), despite being in Spacey Houses, so the area has come to be considered as Pannal. One factor to discount is the Post Office giving addresses to areas as they don't base theirs on historical areas but on their own delivery areas to aid sorting of the post. Also as I stated earlier parishes from which are given borders are totally different to the areas of villages. A fact is that until the late seventies the buses on the 36 route used to have on their destination blinds the main intermediate places on the route between Harrogate and Leeds. The two places displayed were Spacey Houses and Harewood (now only Harewood is displayed as the route goes to Ripon so Harrogate has taken over from Spacey Houses). I've often seen the last bus from Harrogate and once I did see the destination as Pannal but all other times it's been displaying Spacey Houses. Now there are also modern road signs to both Spacey Houses and Pannal and when the distances given on the signs are measured Spacey Houses comes to a location between the former pub and the traffic lights and Pannal comes to a location of just before Pannal Bridge over Crimple Beck a quarter mile further on. If you care to study the reliable Ordnance Survey map from the 1ate 19th century you'll clearly see the two distinct village areas totally separated and the boundary clearly NOT what is now the main A61 road. To perpetuate this incorrect boundary is giving complete inaccurate information, something people have been quick to slate this site for. Also doing a blanket reversion without reviewing all the changed information has resulted in removing the correct and accurate bus public transport details, something vital to encourage people to visit the area. You have now got out of date and wrong information on the entry something which I'm as willing to report you to Wikipedia for as you are at blocking me. I trust that you'll now allow the revisions to be returned given the overwhelming historical evidence.


 * I ask for you to discuss the changes on the article talk page as other editors had questioned the validity of the changes you were making. That is the course of action that you should be taking, argue your case there. Keith D (talk) 14:30, 9 March 2014 (UTC)