User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars/Archive 14

Splitting Cover Songs Discussion
Hi - you may be interested in the WT:WikiProject Songs discussion - would appreciate your thoughts. -- DarylKayes (talk) 07:53, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Question on album ratings
Hi, you have recently rated an article that I've worked on Flashback (iKon EP) as "class-C". I wanted to know if there is a way to request reassessment of articles? Because these other articles that I've created -- Midnight Blue (Love Streaming) and Cosmos (B.I album) have more content than the one you've rated, and yet they received a rating of "Start-class". And this article here Love or Loved Part.1 (EP) with a lot of details has also been rated "class-C". Thank you Bostonite01310 talk 23:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks for your message. Just so you know, WikiProject assessments can be very subjective, and assessing articles is something only a few editors get involved in. The same article could be assessed as start-class by one person and C-class by another. Also, sometimes an article can be assessed at an earlier stage and after someone expands it, no one ever revises the assessment. If you would like to have a specific article for an album or EP assessed or reassessed, you can request it at WikiProject Albums/Assessment%23Requesting an assessment. You have done some good work, and I am sure some of those articles may have reached B-class. You may want to consider asking for GA assessment by following the instructions here. I hope this helps. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 08:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your explanation and the resources! I appreciate it. Bostonite01310 talk 18:26, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Redirects
Hello, while patrolling Recent changes I noticed you redirected The First Seed to its artist citing "notability concerns". I have reverted this: please note, while these concerns are valid, deletions for notability are usually handled through an AfD discussion, especially as the article is pretty long and has existed since 2007. That way, the community gets to weigh in, important for notability as this is a rather subjective policy. Thanks, Heavy Water (talk) 18:49, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * AfD is for deletion. I redirected the article per WP:BOLD, WP:ATD, and WP:NALBUMS. I respect your decision to revert me. Cheers. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah. But redirects are sometimes used instead of consensus at AfD. I would suggest an AfD, you're on strong ground given it has one source. Cheers, Heavy Water (talk) 19:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * . There is nothing wrong with averting a discussion at AfD by simply redirecting an article. If no one objects, it's all good. If someone does, as you have here, then it can go to AfD or at least a BRD is in order. I'm leaving the article up and have added issue tags. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

"Hide and Seek (upcoming film)" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hide_and_Seek_(upcoming_film)&redirect=no Hide and Seek (upcoming film)] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 21:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Eyedress discography
You recently undid the Eyedress discography edits and deleted / redirected the Eyedress discography article. The minimal reasoning you provided was "unwarranted split".

This seems to be an inaccurate assessment. WikiProject Musicians Article guidelines Discography section opens with this statement: "Musicians who have released a significant amount of work should be given their own discography articles. These articles should follow the guidelines given by WikiProject Discographies." The Manual of Style/Lists of works/Discographies similarly begins "Musicians who have released a significant amount of work should be given their own discography articles."

I think it's undeniable that Eyedress' discography contains a "significant amount of work".

It contains over fifty studio audio-only releases, of which eight are studio albums. In terms of "amount of work" puts his discography ahead of the A Perfect Circle discography, the Bloc Party discography, the The Breeders discography, the Kevin Shields discography, the The Kills discography, the Lykke Li discography, the Nirvana discography, the Pavement discography, the Queens of the Stone Age discography and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs discography. All of these discography pages are featured on the WikiProject Discographies page.

If WikiProject Discographies features these discographies, it's a given that they meet the criteria of a "significant amount of work". If amount of work in Eyedress' discography exceeds that any of those discographies, then it follows that the WikiProject Discographies editors would not think that giving Eyedress as separate discography page was an unwarranted split.

Further, in terms of Eyedress article, the discography section is unwieldy. Eyedress' discography is now 5x the on screen scroll length as the rest of the Eyedress article. His extensive discography dwarfs the rest of the article. Assuming he continues releasing music, it's going to get longer. Last year alone there were two studio albums, a mixtape and ten singles added to his discography.

A separate Eyedress Discography page would also allow for the addition of official music videos, of which there are between 50 and 100.

Could you please offer a more useful explanation of the thinking behind your edits? Otherwise I think it makes sense to undo those edits you made there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Washyblobz (talk • contribs) 14:31, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * This discussion between editors covers a similar ground Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Archive 40Washyblobz (talk) 14:39, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The difference I see is that there is very little to the Eyedress article that a split is unnecessary at this time. It's not that there isn't enough for a standalone discography, it's just that there is no need to split it from what amounts to a stub biography page. That is not the case for any of the examples you provided. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:53, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you’re at risk of falling into a trap of making up your own rules. The criteria for a separate discography page was met. The Eyedress page is a long way from the definition of a stub (under 1500 characters). If you feel it’s too short, why not add to it rather than undoing the legit creation of a separate discography page?Washyblobz (talk) 19:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What difference does it make? It's the same thing whether at Eyedress or Eyedress discography. No one will have any trouble finding it or getting the information they want from it either way. Not sure why I would need to add to the Eyedress article just to justify your need for a separate discography page. I don't care how long or short the main article is. You're taking a silly split way too seriously. See ya. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I doesn’t matter a whole lot, but it’s the way discography pages are supposed to work. You inserted yourself into this, that’s the only reason we’re discussing it.19:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC) Washyblobz (talk) 19:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Clown (Mariah Carey song)
Hi, thanks for assessing Clown (Mariah Carey song). I was wondering why you judged it to be C-class and not B-class. Your feedback would be appreciated as I hope to take it to GA/FA in the future. Regards, Heartfox (talk) 04:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I typically don’t assess anything as B-class as that requires a review of the listed sources, confirming they are valid, etc. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 05:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I have a request
You've been on Wikipedia for a long time and know how article grading works - what all goes into it, proper sourcing and format. I'm not asking for a full-on dissection of an article, but I was wondering if you could take a quick look at the page for the group Lead and see if it would be all right to nominate as a "Good Article."

I've spent years working on the page to ensure old sources that were unacceptable were either removed or replaced with proper sources. The original page was rundown and many of the original sources were defunct. I'd like to nominate it as a "Good Article," but I don't know my way around Wikipedia's rules all that well and would love for someone with extensive knowledge to have a glance.

Only if you have the time. Thank you for all you do and best regards! Xenobia4 (talk) 00:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the message. You've done a good job in cleaning things up. I'm not sure what it takes to make a good article, but the one thing that stands out to me is that the biography section reads too much like a timeline without much detail or substance — little one or two sentence paragraphs listing things that happened during the career (on this date, this happened). You may want to request a peer review to see what needs to be done to get it up to "Good Article" standards. Good luck. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Query
Hello, Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars,

I saw you nominated Category:Antonio Nóbrega albums for CFD discussion and I ran into a similar situation with Category:Comadre Florzinha albums. I don't think we should have categories that only contain one redirect page. In general, I don't think redirects should be categorized but I realize that the guidelines permit this. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 22:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with you in general, but my rule of thumb is the redirect target needs to at least have information about the topic if there were a standalone article. While there is some (albeit minimal) info about the Comadres Florzinha album, there is nothing for the Antonio Nobrega album beyond its listing in the discography section. I would certainly have no objection to both categories being deleted but just nominated the one based on that rule of thumb. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Anatomy of a Murder (soundtrack)
The redirect has been deleted. Go ahead with your move. -- Whpq (talk) 17:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Under Great White Northern Lights
The album has been split from the film article with attribution using the copied tag. I have deleted the track list, charts, certifications in the film that overlapped in the live album. So could you reconsider on merging the article. 223.178.87.190 (talk) 08:00, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Talk:The_Storm_Before_the_Calm
Hi Share your thoughts regarding the album if you wish to. 2001:D08:2900:6BAE:176E:432B:2BB6:657A (talk) 05:20, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * Hi Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. I've just come across a few articles where you have made edits/assessments in the NPP queue. Even if you don't specifically patrol from the queue (and much of it is an unfun soul destroying swamp), if you were to gain the permission, it would mean that with one extra click on the page curation toolbar you could pass any unreviewed articles that you have assessed as ok anyway and remove them from the queue. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 04:35, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to if it was an automatic procedure, but I have no interest in going through the application process. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 05:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, there's an easy solution to that problem.... You now have the new page reviewer right; there's an information page at New pages patrol that you might want to review, and feel free to let me know (or ask at WT:NPP/R) if you have any questions. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:49, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Alpha
Hello. Could you please rename the page Alpha (Jelena Karleusa album) into Alpha (Jelena Karleuša album) as it was. Sanslogique (talk) 19:02, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not have that ability. You can request the page to be moved back by applying the db-move template to the redirect. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 01:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't understand how the template works. If I put it on a page, will it be deleted?--Sanslogique (talk) 08:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, someone will delete the page so a proper move can then be done. I have gone ahead and made the request for you. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!!--Sanslogique (talk) 09:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Single chart usages
I'm not surprised. That's far from the first time that kind of thing has happened, but since I don't normally work with the "single chart usages" template at all apart from having to deal with the redlinks when they turn up at Special:WantedCategories, I have no easy way of knowing what are or aren't "correct" parameters in it — but I also can't just leave the redlinks sitting unresolved either, because they'll just add up and become twice as much crap to deal with on the next run if they aren't cleaned up. So the only option I have when one of those shows up there is to create the category, but then it gets deleted a day or a week or two weeks later anyway.

Accordingly, I wanted to ask if possibly there's some other alternative that could prevent such things from landing on my plate at all. Say, some kind of error tracking capacity in the template such that if the template wants to generate redlinked category that does not exist, then it automatically suppresses the nonexistent category and applies an error tracking category (e.g. "Single chart usages needing review" or something like that) instead of placing the article in a redlinked category? That way, people who are actually experienced with that template can review that error-tracker category, fix any errors or create any needed categories that are actually legitimate, and they can just stop being my problem at all? Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I understand where you are coming from. You can simply remove the invalid chart parameter from the article. It would show up as "Invalid chart entered..." in the charts table. That shouldn't be too much more of a hassle than removing a nonsensical category that pops up in the Wanted Categories report. If the invalid parameter is coming up due to a spelling error, that will put the onus on the editor who originally added it since they should be checking that it is displaying properly in the first place. In the meantime, I will also request speedy deletion for Category:Single chart usages for Vlanders (typo) and Category:Single chart usages for Maltadance (invalid parameter) as the issues from whatever articles they were in appear to have been fixed and they now sit empty. Thanks again. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, my whole point is that I have no way of knowing, or judging, whether a chart parameter is a spelling error or an invalid parameter, or valid and needed but just doesn't exist yet, if I don't already know what the valid parameters are or aren't. If Maltadance is an "invalid parameter", how in the heck was I ever supposed to know that? If Vlanders is a typo, and not just a topic where (as often happens) we're privileging the topic's official name in its own native language rather than translating it, then how in blazes was I ever supposed to know that? If I don't work with that template enough to know what the acceptable parameters are in the first place, then I simply have no basis on which to judge whether any new one that comes along is "acceptable" or not. That's why I really need there to be a way to keep these off WantedCategories entirely, and put them in front of the people who are familiar enough with the template to know what's an error and what isn't — because I obviously can't "simply remove an invalid chart parameter" if I have no way of even knowing that it's an invalid chart parameter in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 19:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If it's coming up as invalid, it's invalid and can be removed. I used to monitor Special:WantedCategories and when there was a red category that I couldn't determine what the editor was trying to do (whether an odd typo or added by someone inexperienced with categorization), I just removed it. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:K.O (rapper) and Category:Elaine
Greetings, I would like to know the reason behind blanking the above mentioned categories and creating subcategories but however, forget/fail to add subs to the main cat. And about naming, after going through WP:CCP, I'm failing to understand why you named the cats "Category:Elaine (singer) ..." with disambiguation although there is no "Category:Elaine songs". Can you please enlighten me, I'll keep an eye for the response. Thank you  shelovesneo  (talk) 07:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message. Per WP:EPON, eponymous categories are discouraged and should only be created if there are "enough directly-related articles or sub-categories" to warrant them. When there are only albums and/or songs, they are more appropriately placed in artist album/song subcategories under Category:Albums by artist and Category:Songs by artist, respectively. An artist with only albums and songs as related articles isn't enough to warrant an eponymous parent category. Many such eponymous categories have been deleted at CfD because of this lack of content. Regarding naming, per the guideline you referenced, it states when the main article requires disambiguation, categories that contain the same name as that topic "should include the same form of disambiguation". I hope this helps. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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Luochahai City
Thanks for removing the erroneous "good article" tag I added. I probably accidentally pasted it from the George W. Bush page when copying templates.  Bremps  ...  20:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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The Damone Type of Thing
@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars who put album rating to music rating on The Damone Type of Thing Yesterday 12/26/2023? Samchristie05 (talk) 06:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The page history for the article will show you who changed the template from "album rating" to "music rating". It was changed because the album ratings template has been replaced by music ratings. There was a typo in the edit so I just fixed it. By the way, your articles are getting better but they still are in need of a lot of work. There are always many spelling and grammar errors that I end up having to fix for you. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 08:56, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

A Date with Jimmy Smith, Vols. One and Two‎
Thank you for helping with that. This is one of my first times merging an article, and I was wondering if you had any pointers in case I missed anything. TlonicChronic (talk) 14:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Query
Hello Star, looking at this I was wondering if this can converted to a standalone article (she has also released a 5-track digital EP which is scheduled to be included in her forthcoming album). And I was wondering if the EP can also get a standalone article or I'm just reaching, please also see this, I'll be on the lookout for your response.  dxneo  (talk) 10:26, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I see that an article for the album has already been created, and I don't see any issue with that. Any info on the EP can just be included in that article as it appears to be just a release to hype the album and put something out there until the album's release. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Template problem?
Hi! I created a template for the artist Laila Ghofran but it doesn't appear and it looks like you redirected it to me or something? I don't get it. What seems to be the problem? LoveAndArt (talk) 22:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * . I moved it to your Userspace because there are no articles for any of the albums listed in the navigational box you created. I assumed you may be in the process of creating some of the articles on the albums as it is premature to have a navbox without any other articles to navigate to. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:04, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response! Yes, I will be making articles for the albums listed. Can you restore it please? LoveAndArt (talk) 23:15, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It would be best to wait until the album articles are created; otherwise, you are putting the cart before the horse. Having it in only one article where all the albums are already listed serves no purpose. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:23, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What would be helpful in the meantime is for you to place a db-author tag on Template:Laila Ghofran then you can put the template I moved back into its place when it is ready for mainspace. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:44, 28 December 2023 (UTC)