User talk:State of State

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Alumni entries
Before adding entries to alumni lists, please ensure that the individual has a corresponding Wikipedia article and that you include a reliable source for verification. You can read more about this at WP:ALUMNI and WP:WTAF. Thank you, -- Ponyo bons mots 20:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Why were alumni with their own wiki pages removed from the page? State of State (talk) 21:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * They were removed because you didn't include a reliable source. Per my first post "please ensure that the individual has a corresponding Wikipedia article and that you include a reliable source for verification" This is supported by the WP:ALUMNI link I provided as well as WP:LISTPEOPLE.-- Ponyo bons mots 21:29, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So Wikipedia isn’t a reliable source? I provided a few alumni names with active wiki pages which were linked. I could understand the others who didn't have pages made to date. State of State (talk) 21:43, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, Wikipedia is not a reliable source (see WP:CIRCULAR). However, if there are reliable sources supporting the inclusion of an individual in their corresponding article, you can use that same source in the list the article.-- Ponyo bons mots 21:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see the problem with those individuals I listed who had wiki pages. All the information is verified with their wiki page articles and sources listed below. So what's the problem? State of State (talk) 21:51, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * When you add an entry to a list article you must also include a reliable source that verifies the individual's inclusion in the list. It doesn't matter if the content is included in the corresponding article - you need to include it in the list. Are you clicking and reading through the links to the relevant policies and guidelines I'm providing to you? The requirements are all explained in the links.-- Ponyo bons mots 21:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Lol I don't see links posted in most of the other entries that are on the page. Can you explain that? State of State (talk) 22:19, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can explain it. Wikipedia has over 6.7 million articles and therefore varying degrees of conformity to policies and guidelines as these policies have changed over the course of 20+ years. The requirement for reliable sourcing has tightened over the years, and so there is some content in articles that may have been added in earlier years when the requirements were less stringent. Also, with over 6.7 million articles for volunteers to maintain, errors and unsourced content does sometimes make its way into articles. None of these situations negate your responsibility to include reliable sources when adding content to articles.-- Ponyo bons mots 22:34, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * But why won't you remove the other unsourced entries? Isn't it your duty to remove those as well? State of State (talk) 22:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because there are 6.7 million articles, time is not inifinite, and I'm a volunteer just like everyone else (with a few extra buttons). Your edits were unsourced and reverted - the WP:BURDEN is on you to include incline citations to reliable sources if you want to restore any of the content. You don't have to agree with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, but you need to be abide by them if you want contribute to the project. Whataboutism isn't a valid argument here.-- Ponyo bons mots 23:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You sure do seem to have a lot of time for these particular articles, knowing that the info was linked on the respective Wiki pages. With the lack of content on the MSU alumni listing page, perhaps others have run into this problem when contributing information. I smell something strange here. State of State (talk) 23:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know that the information was linked on the respective pages and I've edited the particular article a total of 2 times in my 16-year, 155k+ edit history on this project. Normally when editors are welcomed and a note is left explaining why their edits were reverted, they say something along the lines of "thanks, totally new here, I'll [add the sources/follow the manual of style/insert random policy here] moving forward!" It's rare to see someone jump to conspiracy theory levels of conjecture right off the bat, especially when the guidance provided includes multiple links to basic policies and guidelines that clearly state what is required. Oh well, on to the next one!-- Ponyo bons mots 23:29, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What's interesting is your particular interest in this subject. So much so that you arbitrarily delete the information. If you would read the citations linked into each of the personal wiki pages, you would find an applicable source listed at the bottom. Click on those articles and read the sourced information! State of State (talk) 23:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sigh. The deletion wasn't arbitrary, it was the standard reversal of an edit that adds unsourced material to articles. I'm not sure how many times I can say that the sources need to be in the list article itself, not on the corresponding pages, or how many times I can link the specific policy pages and guidelines that explain why it's necessary. You can request additional assistance at the Teahouse that I linked in my welcome message at the top of the page, but the volunteers there will also reiterate the requirement to include sourcing when editing articles, especially when you are working with biographial material. I won't be replying further as you, unfortunately, seem more intent on arguing than learning.-- Ponyo bons mots 23:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Citations aren't linked on the other entries!! Christ! How can there be enforced guidelines in that case? I'm just someone trying to contribute accurate information. Even some previously listed info that can be found on Wikipedia. The other subjects I listed without dedicated Wiki pages, do not belong. That makes sense. But I can't even give a former Miss America some recognition with her alma mater, because there's a source discrepancy, despite sources previously referenced on her own Wikipedia page. Lol State of State (talk) 00:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)