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DYK RfC
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Enough
With the EP -> albums moves. There is no community consensus in WP:ALBUM that supports your ideas that those page should be moved. In case you didn't know there are thousands of pages that includes the long-term preferred disambiguation "(EP)" that should be moved as well rather than the pages you have selectively moved to "album". Yes EPs are albums, but the reason why we don't say "studio album", as you said at The Time of Our Lives (EP) ("An "EP" is a type of album. We do not say "Miley Cyrus studio album" for studio albums) and other pages is because The Time of Our Lives (Miley Cyrus studio album) doesn't exist and there is no necessary disambiguation from album A with album B. This also affects "(soundtrack)", "(film score)" and "(video)" disambiguations as they are other kinds of albums. Rather than the persistent move of pages in which you have preference, search for consensus for a generic and complete consensus that support your "naming guidelines"--whichever they are. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  22:09, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Take Back the Night (song)
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USE MDY template
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_%28Taylor_Swift_album%29&diff=564879833&oldid=564879784 Do you know what that template is for? I'm not sure why you would remove it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:18, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Discogs
Hi, Status. I was asking that if Discogs a reliable source? Thanks! &mdash; HĐ (talk) 15:27, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it is indeed not. It's sort of like Wikipedia, where users input information in it. It is a great source for getting information about releases, but is not to be cited. Cheers. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 21:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Justified and Stripped Tour
Great idea! But it will take time for us to find sources. &mdash; HĐ (talk) 07:57, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There are several sources that I've found, and I've placed them in its talk page. You could do it first, because I'm busy working on Stripped (Christina Aguilera album). Cheers! &mdash; HĐ (talk) 02:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright! Thanks for letting me know. I'll probably be able to get around to it in the next week or two. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 03:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

The 20/20 Experience: The Complete Experience
If you say the information is copied and pasted, why do you redirect the album to The 20/20 Experience: 2 of 2 and not, for example, The 20/20 Experience? It's hard to decide if and where should it be redirected. In my opinion the article should stay. It has different release date + distinctive cover, eg. if someone goes to a record store and stumbles upon this cover, he/she would be disoriented what it is. I would leave the track list in the article, but those "Background" and "Development" sections could be left out - it would be more of a stub article, but I think it should still exist. — Mayast (talk) 08:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it's being released on the same day as 2 of 2. It hasn't even been released yet. We don't know, for example, if there will be any reviews of the compilation, if it will chart separately, etc. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 08:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you think it would be possible to create a new section in the The 20/20 Experience: 2 of 2 article titled "The 20/20 Experience: The Complete Experience", where we could put the compilation's infobox (with the cover) and mention that is consists of those two albums? And then redirect the article there? I can do it myself, I'm just asking if it isn't against some rules :) I'm still quite new here. — Mayast (talk) 08:25, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem necessary. 2 of 2 already makes mention about the two albums being packaged together. It's not against any rules, it just doesn't seem necessary. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 08:28, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, for example if someone goes to Justin Timberlake discography and finds this title there, he/she might wonder what this release is~, what does the cover look like, and if it has any new songs. A redirect to such a section would resolve any doubts. — Mayast (talk) 08:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Simpsons Game
The information on that game is wrong, which tells me it was not sourced to begin with. If it was it would not have the wrong information in the first place. . in fact the wikipedia page of that game (Bartman vs Radioactive Man) has the correct information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knicdomi (talk • contribs) 15:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Incnis Mrsi RfA
Could you perhaps provide a bit more of a detailed (and polite) rationale, rather than just a "No"? I think that this RfA has the potential to be more volatile than usual and it would be best to avoid accidentally ruffling feathers with a rationale that could seem dismissive. AutomaticStrikeout ?  02:40, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Revert
I have come to say that your most recent revert of my editing to Hummingbird Heartbeat was a mistake. I did not remove anything about it being a single. What I did do was put in different references, and move some content to more suitable sections of the article. Sorry if it came across as otherwise. Just thought I should clarify. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 02:40, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Dates
Hello, can you explain to me why did you change the format of dates in the references for Holy Grail (Jay-Z song). Per WP:DATERET "The date format chosen by the first major contributor in the early stages of an article should continue to be used, unless there is reason to change it based on strong national ties to the topic or consensus on article talk." There has been no talk page notice, and an article about a world-famous song could hardly be considered "with national ties". Even if so, per WP:STRONGNAT "YYYY-MM-DD format may be used in references, even in articles with national ties, if otherwise acceptable." so I don't see any good reason for your change. 2Flows (talk) 14:53, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Two different styles were being used in the article, so I boldy chose one. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:31, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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Peer Review
Hi, If you get chance, would you consider taking a look at the following peer review request for List of songs written or produced by Naughty Boy? Many thanks  → Lil- ℧niquԐ 1 - {  Talk  } -  22:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Britney edits
Hello there Status. Let's not get into an edit war. I replaced those "Baby One More Time" covers as l felt they fail WP:NFCC#3b As for the "Britney" album, i hate to contraddict you but the image l uploaded is better, like i said l own 3 copies of the album (us one, uk one and special dvd one) and the colours are brighter and the "Britney" text is higher above. Like l said I do not wish to get into an edit war with your or any other contributor, so l hope we can solve this in an amicable way.--Cooljules73 (talk) 00:41, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a very slight colour difference in the background to Britney, not to the extent in which yours was uploaded. The image that was on the article is via the iTunes Store (it is also used on Amazon). As for the location of the text, her website uses a version that is lower, as well. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 00:45, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. Well l still think they fail WP:NFCC#3b, l won't change them though, however I'd wish that issue (IMO an issue) would be reviewed by another user. Thank you for your time Status.--Cooljules73 (talk) 01:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * How do they fail under WP:NFCC 3b? — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 01:10, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * File KB size/resolution/minimal extent of use--Cooljules73 (talk) 01:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The Britney cover I uploaded is 182 KB, 300 × 300 pixels (same as the one you uploaded; the standard size for album covers), while yours is 177 KB. Barely 5 KB difference. All acceptable. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 01:26, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't see your message till now. I still think a smaller version would be preferable, but like I said if another user thinks the current ones are OK I will respect that.--Cooljules73 (talk) 17:50, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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Meet Miley Cyrus / See You Again
Why did you change the information on these pages that was perfectly fine before you edited it? See You Again was a single from Meet Miley Cyrus first, then Breakout the next year (there's a reason why the cover you uploaded even says '2008 Mix'). Also, Start All Over was not the only single from Meet Miley Cyrus as See You Again was released before it. I don't want an edit/revert war so I'm coming here to ask why you made these changes in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronboy123 (talk • contribs) 17:16, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, where is the source of that information? I've found no evidence of a 2007 release. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 17:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It received a physical 'The Remixes' release in December 2007. Also, if it wasn't released, then how did it manage to get airplay on Top 40 radio and peak at #10 on the Hot 100 in May 2008 (before the Breakout version was released)? I just feel like your edit was pointless considering you're basically disregarding its inclusion & release as a single on Meet Miley Cyrus.
 * Again, where's the source of this information? My edit was not pointless; all sources for the singles release (on iTunes, Amazon as digital singles, and a physical CD single) were in 2008 for the "2008 mix" on Breakout. Holy Grail (Jay-Z song) has yet to be issued as a single, yet it has peaked at #5 on the Hot 100 so far. There's simply on evidence of it being released sooner. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 18:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In 2007/early 2008, it had official remixes (this doesn't happen for non-singles) that were put onto a 'See You Again: The Remixes' CD single released under Hollywood Records in 2007. http://i.imgur.com/o6Eq5zX.jpg <--- the back cover which clearly lists the Hollywood Records copyright. Also, it had an official single cover licensed by Hollywood Records (the one you changed to the 2008 release cover). It's not that hard to figure out that it was in fact a single before its inclusion on Breakout as the page stated it was a single for the years before you edited it. The entire point of the 2008 Mix was to release it in countries where the original was not released.
 * Again, you've provided no reliable sources for this information. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 18:27, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Question about About.com
Hey Status, I have a quick question to ask you. and I recently nominated Pies Descalzos for GAN, though we were unsure about acceptable usage of About.com as a reference. We provide the source for a little bit of commentary/reviews about the album and its tracks, and he thought you might have a better understanding if that was an acceptable citation in this situation. WikiRedactor (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * While About.com is questioned about its reliability at WP:FAC, the source is perfectly usable for GAN's. So yeah, if you don't plan to further nominate the article for feature status, you can use it. Cheers! — Tomíca (T2ME) 18:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What Tom said, haha. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 23:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

About On the 6
Please explain why you removed the complete track listing I added? Discogs is a reliable source. Raykyogrou0 ( Talk ) 03:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:DISCOGS. It says "Discogs is a good example of information cross-referenced by many users confirming the existence of a release, and therefore is considered reliable."   Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 03:23, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Where on that page does it say that? Please see MOS:ALBUM, which states: "Take care in identifying reliable sources that are added to articles. User generated websites and other wiki-type websites such as Discogs or Rate Your Music should never be used as sources." — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 03:24, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, I meant WP:DISCOGSTYLE. The entries are cross-referenced. Some entries even have scans of album back covers so you can see the track list for yourself.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 03:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The page you just linked to is a proposal for a guideline that has not been accepted, and it's referring to a discography list. I just showed you a guideline for articles that states to never use it as a source. The same way Wikipedia should never be used for a source. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 03:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Regardless of whether Discogs is a reliable source or not, it also says in the discussion pertaining to this issue that track listings don't generally require direct references. The manual of style is merely saying that reviews, critical reception, and the like should come from reliable sources written by "music experts".  I'm pretty sure music experts don't publish various track listings.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 10:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you have iTunes you need to check the Column Browser in order to get the information regarding credits of songs. After purchasing you can check the properties of a song. All the best Coastside2 (talk) 08:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Christina Aguilera articles
I'm free now, so we can work on Justified and Stripped Tour together. By the way, I'm very pleased if you could work with me on Christina Aguilera discography, too! Cheers! &mdash; HĐ (talk) 11:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'd love to. How should we go about doing Justified and Stripped? — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 13:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the lead section. About the concert synopsis, I still haven't found any full sources yet, so we'll start with "background" section first. &mdash; HĐ (talk) 04:58, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Status, I've just added the "Box office score data" section, but I wonder if the information I provided was correct (because the letters were so tiny haha), so could you check the information please? &mdash; HĐ (talk) 06:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013 RE.
On the article for Roar (song), the section "Plagiarism Allegations" kept being deleted because there wasn't enough information for its own section and that there were no actual "allegations" of plagiarism, as stated by User:(CA)Giacobbe, and people kept adding it in anyways, that's why I removed it. "Stop removing information from an article that you don't like. Deal with it.." I have no clue where that came from and I was actually a little offended by the comment. So yes, I don't understand why this section was in there anyways since there are no allegations just fan speculation, as (CA)Giacobbe has stated. Jjj1238 (talk) 18:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Design User page
Hey, I was wondering if you could design my user page to make it look like yours and Arre's? I would really apprecitated, but If you are unable too, that fine and I would understand. — SoapFan12 Talk :) 01:07, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey there; I am currently very busy with other things, but if you can wait, I might be able to get to it later. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 20:10, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, thanks! I can absoutlety wait. I'll remind you soon, for you not to forget, if that okay. — SoapFan12 Talk :)  21:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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J Lo and Anthony concert tour
Hey Zac! I found out that the duo's concert duo concert tour had Anthony continuning without J Lo which became branded as the El Cantante Tour. Source 1, In this source, he cancelled two shows in South America and had a show in Venezuela. I though you should know. :) Erick (talk) 06:46, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Owl City
Hi Status! There's a discussion regarding Owl City on the article's talk page. I was wondering if you could possibly comment on it? Thanks! Chihciboy (talk) 03:28, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Madonna album tracklistings
Hi there, your recent edit to the Madonna Celebration album page and other album pages have messed up the accurate tracklistings. The previous ones were highly accurate so I do not know why you felt the need to change them. For example, Tony Shimkin is now credited as a songwriter on "Erotica" and has been added on live albums etc./compilations. Shep Pettibone was added as a songwriter on "Secret", on "Justify My Love" Madonna is only an additional lyricist, not the main songwriter. The list goes on and on. The Celebration album credits are highly inaccurate with Madonna severed as main songwriter on most songs, and producers credits are wrong eg; "Die Another Day" is produced by Madonna and William Orbit??? A lot of work has gone into those tracklistings including adding in associate/executive/additional producers, they were highly accurate. Its a shame you felt the need to completely mess them up with your edits as they inaccurate. Also, on the MDNA World Tour you reverted my edit to that tracklisting, the word (Interlude) as part of the track name - really??? jwad.... blah | blah | blah 07:45, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Applause Credits
Since you are not able to view them yourself. http://666kb.com/i/cgswfoxz8siibedeu.png Coastside2 (talk) 17:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Reminder
Hey, I know you said you are very busy but I was wondering if you are still on board on designing my user page? Just wanted to remind you. — SoapFan12 (talk,  contribs ) 01:07, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Image sources
Please cite where you got an image from. For example, did you obtain File:Madonna Celebration (Single).png from Discogs, an online vendor, or did you scan the cover from a physical copy? The source is very helpful in establishing legitimacy of cover art (rather than very good fan art). Adabow (talk) 21:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Christina Aguilera
Hey there, Status. I don't see you're working on Justified and Stripped Tour anymore. I guess that you were so busy, so maybe next time we can do it together. &mdash; HĐ (talk) 11:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * P/S: Recently, I've nominated Christina Aguilera discography to featured list. Please comment. Thanks! &mdash; HĐ (talk) 11:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fantastic; sadly, I just don't have the time to do much of anything at the moment. I hope we can try to work on something together in the future. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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Beyonce Knowles
Hello! I noticed you have experience with good/featured articles and was wondering what you thought about nominating Beyonce Knowles for FA? —JennKR | ☎ 22:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it has a very good chance. —  Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 22:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've set up a peer review, so if you have any comments, feel free to add them! —JennKR | ☎ 23:20, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 August newsletter
This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:
 * , a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
 * , another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
 * , 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
 * , a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
 * , the winner of the 2010 competition. His contributions mostly concern Naval history, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
 * , who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
 * , a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
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We say goodbye to eight great participants who did not qualify for the final:, , , , , , ,. Having made it to this stage is still an excellent achievement, and you can leave with your heads held high. We hope to see you all again next year. Signups are now open for the 2014 WikiCup, which will begin on 1 January. All Wikipedians, whatever their interest or level of experience, are warmly invited to participate in next year's competition.

This last month has seen some incredible contributions; for instance, Cwmhiraeth's Starfish and Ealdgyth's Battle of Hastings—two highly important, highly viewed pages—made it to featured article status. It would be all too easy to focus solely on these stunning achievements at the expense of those participants working in lower-scoring areas, when in fact all WikiCup participants are doing excellent work. A mention of everything done is impossible, but here are a few: Last round saw the completion of several good topics (on the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Atlantic hurricane seasons) to which 12george1 had contributed. Calvin999 saw "S&M" (song), on which he has been working for several years, through to featured article status on its tenth try. Figureskatingfan continued towards her goal of a broad featured/good topic on Maya Angelou, with two featured and four good articles. ThaddeusB contributed significantly to over 20 articles which appeared on the main page's "in the news" section. Adam Cuerden continued to restore a large number of historical images, resulting in over a dozen FP credits this round alone. The WikiCup is not just about top-importance featured articles, and the work of all of these users is worthy of commendation.

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Stop
This isn't funny. STATE THE SOURCE OF THE IMAGE. I don't mind the fact that you go around replacing cover art with (in your opinion) "better quality" images, but removing an image with a linked source and replacing it with one without any source seems quite counterproductive to me. Adabow (talk) 00:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hold on now, if you check out the rationale, it says the source is "highly recommended" and not a requirement. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:04, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And if you look at Diamonds (Rihanna song), for example, you will see the exact same rationale being used. During the media check during its FAC nomination, it was deemed correct. So what's the problem? And pardon me for not seeing your previous message; I was not here at the time, but that doesn't give you an excuse to be rude to me. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I apologise for coming across as rude, but it doesn't take much effort to enter in a URL or type "CD cover scan" or something, and it is extremely useful. Someone could easily dispute whether the cover you uploaded is the actual one, given that the previous cover directly cites a source, with a web link. It is particularly useful when investigating dubious cover arts. Such a parameter is "highly recommended" for a reason. Adabow (talk) 02:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologizes accepted. I will keep that in mind in the future. Cheers, — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Additional producers on Speak Now
Dean Gillard? Matt Ward? Where did you get those names from?, because I don't see any of those names in any capacity in the album booklet. The booklet only lists Swift and Chapman handling the production of the album. QuasyBoy (talk)  02:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * On the last page of the deluxe edition, it shows this near the bottom. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:40, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have the deluxe edition, I still do not see their names. Also, if they were additional producers only, is it really necessary to list their names in the infobox, if they only produced for the deluxe. In general, Swift and Chapman are the main producers of the album, the standard edition of the album is the primary edition, anyway. <b style="color:#0000FF;">QuasyBoy</b> (talk)  02:50, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Weird; it's at the bottom of my copy. All producers should be included in the infobox. Those two are behind the pop mixes, which on international editions, are main versions of song of the songs. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I bought my album at Target, you live in Canada right, that's why yours is probably different. Anyway, that right there is another reason why their names shouldn't listed in the page considering that their names is not on every deluxe edition of the album. If were you to provide an actual internet source saying that they produced those mixes, maybe that can help matters. <b style="color:#0000FF;">QuasyBoy</b> (talk)  03:07, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I got mine at Walmart. I'll see if I can find anything. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 03:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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