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WikiCup 2013 September newsletter
In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. , —who has never participated in the competition before—and follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).

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The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q3 2013
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DYK nomination of Love and Glamour
Hello! Your submission of Love and Glamour at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Miyagawa (talk) 19:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Hilary Duff songs
Hello can't be single template back but intro song template are you sure by User talk: 121.54.64.38 5 October 2013 (UTC) Template:Hilary Duff singles to Template:Hilary Duff songs Thank You!

Template: Christina Aguilera
Hello will be redesign like Template:Jennifer Lopez by User talk: 121.54.64.38 6 October 2013 (UTC) Thank You!

Template:Taylor Swift
Hi Status can be redesign your template by User talk: 121.54.64.38 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * You're most welcome! —  Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 05:56, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Olly Murs "Troublemaker" - Funk rock?
Hi, sorry for interrupt, Olly Murs' native UK number one hit "Troublemaker" is a pop song which article says pop, but suddenly funk rock has been added in the section and infobox which is unsourced as well as doesn't said that with any citation, I think funk rock is influenced, not really a genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.171.178.13 (talk) 14:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have corrected the information, according to the sources used in the article. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 00:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Troublemaker has been described in some sources as having  a 'funk edge', but  it's my  guess partly  due to  its Soul and Disco  influence. In  my  experience as a pure Funk drummer for many  years, I believe that  funk is a blend of intricate paraddidles on  the hi-hat, and highly  syncopated bass drum  and snare work, consolidated by  a heavy  interaction  with  a knarly  bass (roundwound strings) groove often with  slap&pluck  technique. The metronimic bass drum  beat  on  Troublemaker on  all  4 defeats this description. That  said, I  suppose that  some of the hi-hat  work  on  Troublmaker could partly  come from  Funk. Until  sampling  became commonplace with  sophisticated music software and machines with  sufficient  memory, funk  grooves, like some BeBop, Shuffle, and very uneven time signatures were not  even able to be written in  traditional  notation and hence only  playable by  human musicians. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:16, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Kudpung. The source you provided is hardly a reliable website. Do you have one for any sources for the information you just stated? This is the first time I have edited the article (at the request of this IP here). If you have any additional information to add, please, do so. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 01:27, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


 * No, it's not the kind of music I  generally  edit  here. (at  64 I'm  more stuck  in  70s, 80s, and early  90s music, and then mostly  funk, fusion, and jazz).  I  found that  source very  quickly, but  I  didn't  add it because as you  said, it's probably  not  reliable, and anyway, as you  have seen, I  don't  really  agree with  the comparison of Troublemaker with  Funk. Funk Rock  does exist  however as a genre. Wikipedia even has an article on it. I  never performed in  a Funk Rock  band but I did plenty  of studio  sessions for the genre and wrote a couple of Funk Rock numbers for a rock opera.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've only heard the song a couple of times before, so I can't really comment myself. The two sources I found already present in the article refer to it as pop and soul. I agree that it doesn't really a funk song. I apologize for initially confusing what you meant with your statement. I'm a bit on the tired side. Not sure if you noticed or not. —  Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 01:57, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

RED Tour
The question is not how many references are needed, the questions where is the consensus that allows you to do so. Also, Swift website is not reliable in this case as there are two references who refer to it as "The", meanwhile the whole site uses "RED Tour" in the search menu, including all her promotional images. Even she refers to it as #"REDtour", not "#theREDtour" or "the #REDtour". Also, other references, which were in the article before yesterday, still calling it Red Tour like Billboard or Rolling Stone. What did you say in April 2012: "This was renamed from a DISCUSSION", why you don't discuss your moves, especially those who can be contested or those in popular pages? This will make I or other person don't contest your moves. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  22:43, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The Billboard and Rolling Stone sources you just pointed to refer to it as 'Red' Tour, which is not the same thing as Red Tour. It's quite clear that there are media outlets, and Swift's own website, referring it as both Red Tour and The Red Tour. The official tour poster (which is included in the infobox of the article) refers to it as The Red Tour, as does the tour program and the tour tickets (see here and here). Frontier Touring (who is the concert promoter in Australia) also refers to it as The Red Tour, as well as The O2, where she is playing 5 shows next year (I also checked the websites of several of the venues in which she played, where they also referred to it was The Red Tour). I made a WP:BOLD move based on information from multiple sources, spanning months. All official material for the tour, as well as other sources, refer to it as the The Red Tour. It seems to me that you are just trying to make a point. Simply put, not everything requires consensus. I didn't expect a dispute, and I wish that instead of reverting me right away (yet again), you would have came to my talk to discuss the issue with me. Moving the article back and fourth, now that's disruptive behaviour. Also, I am aware that I previously moved the page to The Red Tour in May; a lot more sources have come available since then also proving the title, which I have provided. The main point is this: Clearly, there's multiple sources that use both titles. Why shouldn't we just use the one that is featured on all promotional material? — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 00:46, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you move a page to another place, and an user reverts you, the obvious thing you don't do is return to do the same. That's common sense, not "try to make a point", and WP:POINT refers to disruptive editing, not "making points". Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  00:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, at the moment somebody disagree with your moves, it is called a contested moved, and therefore it can be controversial. The same has happened with multiple pages, including but not limited to The MDNA Tour, Born This Way Ball and The Sun Comes Out World Tour. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  00:57, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe I already explained this to you. Clearly, it's counterproductive trying to talk with you (should have known better, but hey, I like to assume the best of people). And for the record, I don't see anyone disputing the usage of "The" in the history of The Sun Comes Out World Tour. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 01:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If it is "counterproductive" to talk with me, why you still doing it? If at any moment in the past I was nice with you, that was in the past. This is not a social network, and I'm not here to make friends. So, again, if you want to move a page, discuss it, don't be unilateral and don't assume everyone agrees with your moves. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  01:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please don't confuse common courtesy with friendship. It's rather unfortunate that you don't feel the need to be courteous to others. Wikipedia is not a social network, but it's a collaborative project where you deserve to get at least that. I feel like you're not even reading anything I write. I said in the edit summary I will do the RM this weekend. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 01:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion: Here's to Never Growing Up
Hello Status, I recently posted a discussion on the talk page of "Here's to Never Growing Up". I was wondering if you could put some of your insights on it? Thanks! Chihciboy (talk) 14:52, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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DYK for Love and Glamour
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The Saturdays pics
Hi could you do me a massive favor and upload these pics of The Saturdays from flickr please?

Image 1, but could you crop it so just Frankie is in it. Image 2 Image 3 Image 4

Thanks for everything --ᶛᵃʳᵏ ˢͪᵃᵈᵒʷᵀᴬᴸᴷ 16:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I am very sorry, but I am unable to fulfil this request. When it comes to uploading images to Commons, I am not someone to come to, as it's not really my cup of tea. You could ask ; he is very experienced with image copyrights. Best, — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 16:34, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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The Stripped Tour
Have you checked about the tour's title yet? I've cited several sources at its talk page. &mdash; Simon (talk) 10:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've been rather busy. I will take a look sometime this week. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 16:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Discography sections
OK, so I just want to make sure you realize you are going against the recommendation/opinion that has been established for the Musicians WikiProject. Should we change the guideline as well? Or are guidelines completely (or selectively) worthless? Would you mind elaborating on why a summary discography should not be listed on the musician's primary article? Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:WPMAG contains a "suggested layout", and it specifically states that "This is a guide only and editors are free to organise articles differently". The article in question consists of a person who is both a singer, dancer, actress, producer, perfumer, etc. Instead of clogging the article up with a list of all of those things (you can't just do a list of just one), a simple "see _____" is included. Judy Garland, a featured article, does not contain such summary discography either, for an example. If you feel strongly about it, please, feel free to take the matter to the article's talk page. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 16:31, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand that the guideline is a suggestion/opinion/recommendation/not official policy/etc. But I still think the project has requested that it be the "default" layout for musician pages with exceptions made for common sense.  So if Lopez was a singer only, I would assume you would be alright with a studio album summary in her main article, as the guideline suggests.  I guess my point is, we wouldn't make a separate article for Jennifer Lopez (singer), so therefore Jennifer Lopez is the singer's main article (among other things).  I would argue that her other film work should be summarily listed - however film "highlights" seemed a little more subjective and I haven't found a good guideline for that project.  Regarding Judy Garland - I can point to many "pure musician" articles don't contain a summary, either by oversight or mis-application of the guideline.  Couldn't we also say that Mariah Carey (another featured article) is also an actress, producer, perfumer, etc. - and she is used as an example in WP:WPMAG?!
 * Despite all this, the truth is that I really don't feel that strongly about Lopez in particular. But I think the guideline should have a little more weight than most people give to it.  Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:27, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

E-mail
Hi Status! I've sent you an e-mail. :) Best. Acalamari 14:07, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your e-mail. I'm the midst of switching e-mails, so I will be respond shortly. Best regards, — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 16:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course! Thanks. Acalamari 18:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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