User talk:Status/2014/11

Regarding NSONGS and AFD of Rihanna articles, please see here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(music)#WP:NSONG_needs_re-evaluating_and_re-wording

Love?
The Guardian does not mentioned R&B in text review. If MariaJaydHicky's IP may watching. What should we do? 183.171.180.12 (talk) 04:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

J.LO'S "Booty" article
Hello Status, all good? Well, initially I would like to say that we have been editing Jennifer Lopez's "Booty" for quite some time, and it's been nice to have someone with so many interest in editing it. However, we have already discussed (briefly) the "remix" section and we've reached (I believe so) a consensus of leaving all the remix information in its own section, since it would be more complicated to blend all together. But it feels like you've waited a while and decided to revert (again) and blend all information together, which became overfull and the reading became tiring. I don't know if you have noticed, but the article won the 'B' status before this change was made, and I believe that now that it's very full (too much), the article will fall to 'C' status, just because you want to change it. I always like to take reference from a good article here on Wikipedia to help improving other articles, that's why I always referenced Beyoncé's "Party" article, which also has a remix and all remix information is separated from the original version, so the article does not become so full and extensive, all that I asked was to leave the original version with only "the original version" information (although I didn't agree with the version of Pitbull being called a single, since it was never released, I never took out the information that you always wanted to leave - I didn't want fight for a small thing, so I left it and I respected your point of view), and the remix information (which is increasing everytime with performances, etc.) only with the remix information, so the article can be a very good one to read.

All I'm asking is to do the same thing I did to your point of view, respect. And I say this without any claims that the article belongs to me, because it doesn't (although I started with a handful of information, anyone can edit, of course, Wikipedia is free, and it's amazing to have many points of view) but it's necessary to respect them, and my point of view comes with a very good meaning - by separating both information, the article stays clean, and at the same time, it covers everything about the song, again, take the Beyoncé's "Party" article in consideration, the same goes with "Flawless", which is also divided between the original version and the remix version, it's logical, it's the right thing to do, so please, leave it the way that it was, and let's keep improving it so we can win a 'good article' status together.

All the best, FanofPopMusic (talk) 03:52, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've been pretty good; been quite busy with college and whatnot. Can you link me towards where a discussion took place? I haven't seen one, although I could have easily missed it. The release of "Booty" is quite different than the two you mentioned. The Pitbull version wasn't released digitally because it was already available to purchase from the album, and neither version of the song has been sent to radio. I know that Billboard (not sure how others are dealing with it) combines the sales of both versions, and it's charting it credited to all three artists (Jennifer Lopez featuring Iggy Azalea or Pitbull). I think this release is more similar to Shakira's "Loca" or "Rabiosa" than the others that you mentioned. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't feel like it's necessary to separate them. What prompted me to merge them together in the first place was that the Pitbull version itself doesn't have a specific release because as I said earlier, it wasn't released separately digitally or sent to radio, but it's still being treated as a single. Cheers, — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 16:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Honestly, this is not similar at all to "Loca" or "Rabiosa" for obvious reasons: both "Loca" and "Rabiosa" have their two versions (english and spanish) released together on her "Sale el Sol" album, so it's definitely different than "Booty", which was released separately with Pitbull first on her album "A.K.A." and later a remix version with Iggy was released (aside from the album), so it's the same thing than "Party" from Beyoncé or "Flawless" (which were normal album tracks, but received a remix treatment, and eventually each remix had its own section). We are talking about REMIX versions that were released after the song's original version (in Shakira songs, both versions were released together with the album, so they are blended because the information were released at the same time, different than "Booty", "Flawless" and "Party"). Plus, the "Party" article is very similar to "Booty", because the first version was released on the album with André 3000 and later he was replaced by J. Cole - the same happened to "Booty" - even the video was made for the remix version in both cases. Furthermore, the original version has enough coverage (besides the background and composition being very well constructed, the reception and the teaser video are have enough references) and the remix version is getting each and everytime more information, so it's gonna be too much to not divide them. And again, I like to base myself in articles that are already considered good on Wikipedia, so I can do my own contribution in the way that the article that I'm contribuiting to become as good as the other articles on Wikipedia, that's why I believe that it's necessary to divide the remix section. FanofPopMusic (talk) 18:07, 26 November 2014 (UTC)